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Post by beebee on Jun 24, 2017 1:07:38 GMT
My daughter made a 3.7 GPA this past year, her freshman year. She had accommodations such as copies of notes, extra time on tests, etc. I just found out that she did not get asked to be in the National Honor Society. The required GPA is 3.5 so I know she had the grades. Do you think it was due to accommodations? Do you know anyone that had accommodations and made the National Honor Society? Any thoughts on this? I'm just wondering if this is something I should take up with her school.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Jun 24, 2017 1:11:56 GMT
They also look at things like leadership, extracurriculars in and out of school, and volunteer work. I had a student who could not read, was in very low instructional special ed, had the grades and involvement, and got it. So, no, I don't think so.
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Post by SabrinaP on Jun 24, 2017 1:17:09 GMT
Contact the school and find out why. In my district, it's straight up GPA.
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Post by hop2 on Jun 24, 2017 1:30:37 GMT
Yes have HER ask her counselor why.
But I'll tell you this, my DD's class valedictorian didn't get into national honor society the first time around. He didn't have any activities with a leadership role. He had to go find one and wait a year.
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Post by fuji on Jun 24, 2017 1:31:09 GMT
The four "pillars" of NHS are scholarship, leadership, service, and character. DS had to fill out a lengthy application, write an essay, and get letters of recommendation. His application then went in front of a teacher panel. Not all kids were approved. Accommodations/IEPs/etc. aren't a part of it.
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Post by littlemama on Jun 24, 2017 1:31:20 GMT
National Honor Society admission is based on much more than gpa.
Scholarship, leadership, service, character. Each school sets its own parameters for each category, although the minimum gpa can be no lower than 3.0, or 85%. I've not heard of a school that uses that as the minimum.
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Post by kenziekeeper on Jun 24, 2017 1:41:22 GMT
First, talk to your daughter. Often, students have to apply to be in NHS. Did she have information about it that she chose not to do anything with? If not and it truly was out of the blue, have her email the advisors and ask what she could do to be considered for the next induction class. I think you need to take a step back on worrying about accommodations until those two steps have been covered.
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Post by mom on Jun 24, 2017 1:43:06 GMT
In our school, NHS is only offered to Juniors and Seniors. I would seriously doubt it is based on accommodations.
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Post by fuji on Jun 24, 2017 1:44:28 GMT
In our school, NHS is only offered to Juniors and Seniors. I would seriously doubt it is based on accommodations. Ours too, but there is a Junior NHS. |
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 24, 2017 1:46:33 GMT
Like the others said, NHS is about more than GPA. We have had lots of kids with 4.0 GPAs that didn't get in.
At my school your daughter would not have been asked to apply because she is too young. Applications aren't taken until the end of sophomore years with inductions the following Fall. Our minimum GPA is higher than hers too. Minimum GPA varies from school to school.
But if she did qualify to apply, that would be the first step. Our students must get recommendations (school staff and someone outside of school), write an essay, demonstrate leadership and demonstrate service. Then, if all of that is turned in (on time!) and is deemed acceptable, the advisers send out a list of names. Then the faculty have an opportunity to speak up and say whether or not a student is "honorable." If a student has cheated, bullied, is consistently disrespectful, etc., then he is not accepted.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 24, 2017 1:51:20 GMT
The four "pillars" of NHS are scholarship, leadership, service, and character. DS had to fill out a lengthy application, write an essay, and get letters of recommendation. His application then went in front of a teacher panel. Not all kids were approved. Accommodations/IEPs/etc. aren't a part of it. Same with my school. Students have to have rec letters, documented public service (OUTSIDE of school-related activities), an essay. It's not just GPA at all. I'm surprised to read schools are like this. In addition, only juniors and seniors are eligible. |
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Post by beebee on Jun 24, 2017 2:02:08 GMT
Thanks for the advise and information. Every single one of her teachers wrote glowing comments on her report card about her character. She truly is a light in this world. I think she will struggle on the leadership because she spends so much time at the table working that there is little time for a lot of extracurricular activities. We really have to work to fit those activities in. She is in the choir and horseback riding but not really in a leadership role. She is a strong encourager to all her classmates though.
Her best friend in her grade received the invitation to join and the paper work to fill out this week. I will give the mail a little more time and then decide how to handle it.
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Post by gina on Jun 24, 2017 2:02:12 GMT
The four "pillars" of NHS are scholarship, leadership, service, and character. DS had to fill out a lengthy application, write an essay, and get letters of recommendation. His application then went in front of a teacher panel. Not all kids were approved. Accommodations/IEPs/etc. aren't a part of it. Same here! ETA: I would just have her shoot a quick e-mail to her guidance counselor or someone in charge who can answer her specific question. It isn't a big deal to just say "Hey, wondering what the requirements are?" SaveSave |
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 24, 2017 2:04:02 GMT
Also, her school might require a 3.5 unweighted GPA instead of an overall. If her school awarded weighted points for taking advanced courses and her 3.7 is a result of that, she may not have a 3.5 unweighted one.
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 24, 2017 2:09:15 GMT
We don't have it here until they are Juniors (nothing for younger grades). By that time, the teachers have been working with the students for 2 years and know their involvement with extra curricular activities, outside volunteering, leadership activities, and grades. So many kids have the right GPA, but they aren't involved in the other pillars as freshman. Have her get involved in other ways and hopefully she will be asked next year. She should be the one to contact the counselors though.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 24, 2017 2:15:51 GMT
Thanks for the advise and information. Every single one of her teachers wrote glowing comments on her report card about her character. She truly is a light in this world. I think she will struggle on the leadership because she spends so much time at the table working that there is little time for a lot of extracurricular activities. We really have to work to fit those activities in. She is in the choir and horseback riding but not really in a leadership role. She is a strong encourager to all her classmates though See, none of those would make me think she is Natl Honor Society material. I don't see a leadership component, nor a volunteer/service component. Teachers writing on her report card don't mean anything. If she is set on getting in, she is going to have to look at doing more of the volunteer and leadership roles. She sounds like a great kid, so shouldn't be a problem. |
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Post by fuji on Jun 24, 2017 2:30:39 GMT
She could look at groups within the school, community, or a church that wouldn't require a huge time commitment. She could teach a class at church or maybe through a community ed. program. Could she help little kids with horseback riding? Is there a service program at her school? Is there something she could help with this summer?
Ultimately, is being a part of NHS important enough to her to put herself into leadership roles and volunteer positions? For some kids, the answer is "No." It's just too far outside of their comfort zones. If "Yes," then she will need to brainstorm some options to improve her resume.
I would also add that it doesn't hurt to have her check and find out why she didn't get an invitation.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 24, 2017 2:45:22 GMT
Apparently I have a lot to say about this, lol. I will agree that it would be appropriate for your daughter to ask someone why she wasn't extended an invitation. So she knows what she can fix before next year.
But I caution her to tread carefully with this. A "how come Suzy did but I didn't?" or "I don't have the same chances as Johnny!" or anything that looks like an excuse or gripe can backfire on her. Even worse if you get involved. Mom emailing on her behalf doesn't scream "leadership."
A student of mine had her application denied her junior year. Her mother wrote a few emails asking, then demanding, then complaining about how unfair it was that the daughter's friends were all in but she wasn't. Daughter picked up on the bad attitude and got sassy with it herself. As a result, that girl wasn't invited the next year either.
And... once you're in doesn't mean you get to stay. All of the chapters I've known have strict requirements to maintain membership. Four of my dd's friends were kicked out last year because they did not keep up with meeting attendance and/or service hours.
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Post by karen on Jun 24, 2017 2:51:15 GMT
NHS has certain requirements, but school chapters will have by- laws that specifically state their own requirements. Chapters should publish their requirements, so you should have access to them. You need to read them to find out exactly what they require. I am surprised that a rising sophomore would get a candidate form. Usually 4 semesters are required to calculate the necessary gpa.
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Post by kenziekeeper on Jun 24, 2017 2:52:15 GMT
Apparently I have a lot to say about this, lol. I will agree that it would be appropriate for your daughter to ask someone why she wasn't extended an invitation. So she knows what she can fix before next year. But I caution her to tread carefully with this. A "how come Suzy did but I didn't?" or "I don't have the same chances as Johnny!" or anything that looks like an excuse or gripe can backfire on her. Even worse if you get involved. Mom emailing on her behalf doesn't scream "leadership." A student of mine had her application denied her junior year. Her mother wrote a few emails asking, then demanding, then complaining about how unfair it was that the daughter's friends were all in but she wasn't. Daughter picked up on the bad attitude and got sassy with it herself. As a result, that girl wasn't invited the next year either. And... once you're in doesn't mean you get to stay. All of the chapters I've known have strict requirements to maintain membership. Four of my dd's friends were kicked out last year because they did not keep up with meeting attendance and/or service hours. I was going to add something similar to these thoughts after reading your update. I really think this needs to be her doing - not yours. It needs to be something she's interested in pursuing and maintaining. |
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Post by beebee on Jun 24, 2017 3:47:13 GMT
Thank you again for all the suggestions, views, and information!! It is really helpful!!
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Post by pridemom on Jun 24, 2017 4:22:12 GMT
My daughter has a 504 Plan due to her health condition. She received an invitation to apply for NHS. She chose not to apply because she has enough on her plate with her other commitments. So, no, she was not passed over due to accommodations.
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Post by beebee on Jun 24, 2017 5:31:35 GMT
My daughter has a 504 Plan due to her health condition. She received an invitation to apply for NHS. She chose not to apply because she has enough on her plate with her other commitments. So, no, she was not passed over due to accommodations. That is great to hear! |
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Post by YooHoot on Jun 24, 2017 5:46:14 GMT
My dd got it her junior year. They usually don't have NHS for younger grades. But it's much much more than GPA.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 24, 2017 12:39:36 GMT
Apparently I have a lot to say about this, lol. I will agree that it would be appropriate for your daughter to ask someone why she wasn't extended an invitation. So she knows what she can fix before next year. But I caution her to tread carefully with this. A "how come Suzy did but I didn't?" or "I don't have the same chances as Johnny!" or anything that looks like an excuse or gripe can backfire on her. Even worse if you get involved. Mom emailing on her behalf doesn't scream "leadership." A student of mine had her application denied her junior year. Her mother wrote a few emails asking, then demanding, then complaining about how unfair it was that the daughter's friends were all in but she wasn't. Daughter picked up on the bad attitude and got sassy with it herself. As a result, that girl wasn't invited the next year either. And... once you're in doesn't mean you get to stay. All of the chapters I've known have strict requirements to maintain membership. Four of my dd's friends were kicked out last year because they did not keep up with meeting attendance and/or service hours. Agreed. I'd have your daughter ask her school counselor for some guidance on this. It doesn't show leadership or initiative to have your mom contact the school asking why you didn't get in to NHS. |
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Post by TankTop on Jun 24, 2017 12:48:51 GMT
Our school only inducts juniors and above. My dd is in NHS with a 504 plan with academic accommodations.
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Post by Really Red on Jun 24, 2017 14:17:12 GMT
NHS is for Juniors and Seniors only. I've never heard of it for younger kids. Middle school has NJHS, but Freshman and Sophomores don't get anything. Are you certain other Freshman got offered a chance?
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Post by gypsymama on Jun 24, 2017 14:29:45 GMT
my son was invited but then turned down bc he didn't have any leadership roles. he ended up in leadership in his senior year - he's on the spectrum so leading anyone anywhere was a huge challenge for him, lol! good luck to your daughter!
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Post by Kerri W on Jun 24, 2017 15:02:53 GMT
NHS is for Juniors and Seniors only. I've never heard of it for younger kids. Middle school has NJHS, but Freshman and Sophomores don't get anything. Are you certain other Freshman got offered a chance? According to their website grades 10-12 are eligible, though I'm sure individual chapters have the option to limit it to JR and Sr. I agree with several previous posters. This really needs to be your DDs to investigate because you're taking it on sends a very wrong message. |
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Post by beanbuddymom on Jun 24, 2017 16:29:59 GMT
I am surprised freshman are invited to join in your school, in ours it is strictly Jr and Sr and Jr aren't invited until first semester report cards are finalized, so it's late Feb/Mar of Jr year that invitations go out. There is an application that requires leadership roles and community service as well as character and GPA that is involved that needs to complete both the application and the essay.
If your DD did not receive an invitation it is likely that she doesn't meet the requirements. If she has no community service or leadership roles then she would not be eligible.
There were many of DD friends that met the GPA but didn't have any comm svce or leadership so did not apply or were not eligible. A neighbor was in his top 10 but didn't have the comm svce which surprised me since you need comm svce to graduate so I am guessing he was going to wait until Sr year to do that? It surprises me since we do so much comm svce in this household how many kids don't take advantage of little things starting in 8th grade to make sure they have the hours needed.
Good luck, don't fret if she wasn't invited this year, have HER find out what the requirements are and that gives her a year to get her ducks in a row for next. It's really early and at least now you will know what things need to be required. If she's too shy to ask guidance about this, then she really isn't a candidate because you need to be more assertive and have leadership experience to do this type of thing.
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