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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 16:33:42 GMT
My 6th grader is joining cross-country this year. I just finished completing her paperwork. I was required to initial and sign several 'rules' that apply to me. Some of them stood-out to me as odd;
I will not coach my child at the breakfast table or on the way to school. I will not inundate them with advice, pep talks, or criticism.
I will let my child know that I love them. I will not live my life through my child.
I will be a positive role model. I will never ridicule my child.
I will not confront officials.
I will remember that the game is not about me.
I understand that if I do not adhere, I will be banned from attendance.
Is this pretty normal in the school sports world? All good advice, right, but damn I don't want to accidentally violate the rules by discussing cross-country over oatmeal. And do parents need to be reminded to tell their children that they are loved? I guess so. Anyway, sports moms, what say you?
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Aug 25, 2014 16:39:19 GMT
Sounds to me like they have had serious problems in the past! Must have been some kind of parents! Some of it sounds tongue in cheek, I guess they want to have their bases covered!
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Post by Peace Sign on Aug 25, 2014 16:39:21 GMT
ummm, no.
we had a parent meeting where the coach said to be sure to encourage our kids, let the coach talk to the ref, and not to 'coach' the kids because it may not be what the coach wants them to do.
something crazy must have happened last year at your school!!!
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Post by cmpeter on Aug 25, 2014 16:42:24 GMT
No, we have never had rules like that. Ds played football and lacrosse.
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Post by LeaP on Aug 25, 2014 16:43:12 GMT
My kids played softball and there was something about the parents being good sports and not talking to the refs. I've heard some crazy stories and I can guess why they do this.
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Post by its me mg on Aug 25, 2014 16:47:00 GMT
You can discuss cross country over breakfast, but you can't be an overbearing parent who rides their kid to the point of misery. Let them participate, give some loving advice, talk about it .... but don't yell at him because he came in last. Some parent's go absolutely bat shit when it comes to their kids competing in sports. I think you'll be fine
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Post by jemali on Aug 25, 2014 16:49:09 GMT
This is the "Parents Code of Conduct" for our city sports league:
I will encourage good sportsmanship by demonstrating positive support for all players, coaches, game officials, administrators and spectators at all times. I will remember that kids play to have fun and that the game is for youth, not adults. I will focus on fun, participation, and individual skill development rather than on winning or losing. I will teach my child to play by the rules and to resolve conflicts peacefully. I will demand that my child treat other players, coaches, officials, administrators and spectators with respect regardless of race, creed, sex, or ability. I will teach my child that doing one's best is more important than winning. I will never ridicule or yell at my child or others for a mistake or for losing. I will respect the officials and their authority. I will not argue with or criticize game officials. I will respect the coaches for their decisions. If I have an issue, I will speak to the coach off the field when there are no players present. I and my guests will refrain from the use of illegal drugs and alcohol at all CDAA sports events. I am strongly encouraged to refrain from the use of tobacco at all CDAA sports events for the health of the participants and enjoyment of the game. I will make every effort to get my child to practice and games on time, pick him/her up on time, and in the event that we will miss a practice or a game we will let the coach know as soon as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 16:53:33 GMT
After seeing the crazy videos of parents at meets and games I'm not surprised. Sports culture is freaking crazy and I just don't get it at all. Some of the parents are downright abusive.
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Post by anniebeth24 on Aug 25, 2014 16:59:40 GMT
For school sports (soccer, cross-country, track) I have never seen anything like this. For club soccer, the coach mentioned during a parent meeting that he hoped parents wouldn't coach from the sidelines because parents might give conflicting directions to what the coach would give.
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Post by IPeaFreely on Aug 25, 2014 17:03:47 GMT
There's one more that's needed:
If your spouse IS a coach, you promise not to argue with them from the sidelines.
Jeez, we had one coach whose wife gave him such shit from the sidelines it was really embarrassing. And I'll never forget, she came straight from work to the game and her lipstick had worn off but not her lip liner. She looked ridiculous. So maybe another rule is needed:
I promise to always balance my lipstick to my lip liner. I will never show up at the game with just lip liner.
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Post by auntkelly on Aug 25, 2014 17:03:48 GMT
I never had to sign anything like that and my kids played a bunch of different sports. I'd sign the paperwork for my kid's benefit, but I'd resent it because it sounds so condescending.
It's usually just a handful of parents who are abusive and I don't think that signing a piece of paper is going to change their behavior. My experience with sports from pre-k through high school has been that if the kid is good enough, the parents can get away with just about anything. If the kid isn't a star, the coach will make the kid pay for the parent's bad behavior.
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 25, 2014 17:05:49 GMT
No, but I wish it was standard. For my dd's club soccer team, we had to sign and agree not to coach from the sidelines but we've not had to sign anything saying that for either of the two clubs my son has played for. His MS coach asked the parents not to coach from the sidelines and that if we have criticism about our child's play, limit that talk to 30 seconds and mainly focus on the positive things about their performance. There are some really awful parents out there. We've had some of them on our teams and it's embarrassing to all of the kids and to the other parents because that bad behavior gets associated with the whole team. My husband coaches my dd's travel team and I've taken to either sitting by myself or not going to the games because I cannot tolerate what comes out of the mouth of one of the dads on our team. I don't know what he's like in real life, but as far as I'm concerned, he is a terrible human being who should never have had children.
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Post by brina on Aug 25, 2014 17:12:33 GMT
not standard, but should be.
Our hockey club touches on most of those points in the annual parents meeting and our coaches reiterate them at the team meeting. But we do not sign something.
I have been at hockey games and swim meets where I have seen examples of every one of those behaviors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 17:14:10 GMT
They come off as condescending to me as well. Those "rules" would be better delivered directly from coach to parents, whether at a meeting or with a phone call. I would sign it, just don't appreciate the delivery method. I think this has always best summed it up: Players play, coaches coach, and parents cheer. If any of you sports moms ever have the chance to hear Rob Miller speak, DO! He has an awesome philosphy about how to parent athletes and a fun delivery. You can see some clips of him HERE. He does presentations for coaches, parents, and athletes - all are awesome.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 25, 2014 17:17:42 GMT
We have signed similar papers for Rec and select leagues, but not school teams.
Our HS booster club passes out "hints" for parents, but not anything official.
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Post by jemali on Aug 25, 2014 17:44:45 GMT
This rule the high school tennis girls coach gave made us all laugh: Remember that when you go to tennis meets, you are representing our school. Your behavior represents our school. So when you think about doing something questionable...turn your sweatshirt inside out so they don't know what school you're from! Of course he was joking. We receive comments about our tennis girls and how fair and nice they are.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 25, 2014 17:49:54 GMT
My kids swim team has a flyer with the 10 commandments of being a swim parent. I think because it was conveyed in a tongue in cheek manner, it didn't have the same air of condescension you picked up on yours.
The Ten Commandments for Swimming Parents 1. Thou shalt not impose your ambitions on thy child. Remember that swimming is your child’s activity. He will progress at his own speed. The nice thing about swimming is each person can strive to do his or her personal best. It doesn’t matter whether they come in first or last, they can all improve themselves.
2. Thou shalt be supportive no matter what. There are only two questions to ask your child “did you have fun?” and “did you try your hardest?” If meets and practices aren’t fun, your child should not be forced to participate.
3. Thou shalt not coach your child. Be helpful, but don’t compete with the coach when it comes to race strategy and technique. Your job is to support and encourage.
4. Thou shalt only have positive things to say at a swim meet. If you are going to watch a swimming meet, you should cheer and applaud, but never criticize your child or the coach.
5. Thou shalt acknowledge your child’s fears. It is totally appropriate for a child to be scared at his first swimming meet, or of her first 500 free or 200 IM. Don’t yell or belittle, just assure your child that the coach would not have put her in that event if she did not feel she were ready.
6. Thou shalt not criticize the officials. The officials are volunteers who are doing the best job they can for the athletes.
7. Honor they child’s coach. The bond between coach and swimmer is a special one that contributes to your child’s success as well as fun. Do not criticize the coach in the presence of your child; it will only serve to hurt your child’s swimming.
8. Thou shalt not jump from team to team. The water is always bluer at the other team’s pool. This is not necessarily true. Every team has its own internal problems; even teams that build champions. Children who switch from team to team are often ostracized by the teammates they leave behind. Often swimmers who do switch teams don’t do better than they did before they sought the bluer water.
9. Thou shalt have goals besides winning. Encourage your child to do her best. Giving an honest effort no matter what the outcome is much more important than winning. One Olympian said, “My goal was to set a world record. Well, I did that, but someone else did it too, just a little faster than I did. I achieved my goal and I lost. This does not make me a failure, in fact, I was very proud of that swim.”
10. Thou shalt not expect thy child to become an Olympian. There are 225,000 athletes in United States Swimming. There are only 52 spots available on the Olympic Team every four years. Your child’s odds of becoming an Olympian are about 1 in 4300. Swimming is about so much more than the Olympics. Swimming teaches self-discipline and sportsmanship; it builds self-esteem and fitness; it provides lifelong friendships and much more. Most Olympians will tell you that these intangibles far outweigh any medal they may have won. Swimming builds good people and you can be happy your child wants to participate.
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Post by darkchami on Aug 25, 2014 19:23:50 GMT
Having been the child of the yelling parent, I wish these rules had existed when I played sports. I can only imagine things have gotten worse since then.
There is a reason it is in written form rather than a conversation between coach and parent. The last line of the paperwork explains that. If someone does not follow the rules, he or she may be banned. It is much easier to enforce written rules than those just presented verbally.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 19:44:18 GMT
Not common in my experience. Paperwork that I've signed for rec and school programs do specify not arguing with referees/aggressive behavior and language and what will happen if you do, but nothing like the first three. I also don't like the tone of the first two.
As with anything else, I'm sure that those who most need these rules are the ones will sign it and then go on doing what they always do.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 26, 2014 1:14:03 GMT
Those are awesome and I wish they were given to more parents. Of course most of the parents that need them probably don't realize they are for them. I rode horses competitively and one of my parents did several things on that list Parents do not realize how damaging they can be when they think they are helping. We did not get those rules when our dd was in basketball or cross country. But after my childhood I knew to say 'have fun' instead of good luck or do your best. I talk to parents in 4-H every year to help prevent the type of parenting this is directed at.
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Post by J u l e e on Aug 26, 2014 1:19:55 GMT
And do parents need to be reminded to tell their children that they are loved? Sadly, yes.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 26, 2014 1:22:22 GMT
For my son's school, I have always had to sign paperwork that specifically addressed sportsmanship for both the players and parents.
I was glad that they outlined expectations because I think that it gives the referees and umpires more power to do something about the parents who are out of control. The rules that I remember weren't so ... warm fuzzy-ish ... but they were similar within the spirit of the intent.
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Post by bluepoprocks on Aug 26, 2014 1:56:22 GMT
I wish they had these rules when our boys were playing soccer some of the parents especially the dads were awful. We are talking about 5 thru 8 year olds playing soccer and the dads would be screaming at them if they weren't the star of the game and screaming at the refs.
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Post by janeliz on Aug 26, 2014 1:59:48 GMT
I don't know how common they are (I haven't come across them on our softball or swim teams), but I kind of love those rules. "I will remember that the game is not about me" is perfect. It encompasses what goes wrong with so many sports parents and teams.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 26, 2014 3:09:47 GMT
This is the only one that I've never heard. My son's have played every sport they could so we are well versed.
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 26, 2014 3:12:41 GMT
I think when you see the level of horrible parenting and sportsmanship that CAN go on during a game (or practice), you kind of get it. Coaches want to coach and let parents be the support. Kind of glad my kiddos are out of that age bracket. So stressful watching mean parents.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 3:20:25 GMT
Thank you all for your input. It felt condescending but I signed everything. I'm not the parent that was intended to reach. I had my daughter read it all also. We are having some fun with it, calling it the sport that shall not be named. I'm also annoying her by reminding her how much she is loved.
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 26, 2014 3:23:44 GMT
Thank you all for your input. It felt condescending but I signed everything. I'm not the parent that was intended to reach. I had my daughter read it all also. We are having some fun with it, calling it the sport that shall not be named. I'm also annoying her by reminding her how much she is loved. I think you nailed. You aren't that parent. Don't take it at all personally. A little pep talk over oatmeal is always acceptable. I have been to games and watched parents taken away by the police. The year my kid played on seven different teams was the year I almost checked out as a parent. This was his dad's idea. Not mine! His last three years of school he played golf. Now that was a dream sport.
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