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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 16:30:10 GMT
People post about what is important to them. Are you challenging people whose threads are 80% political, or about food, or fitness, or scrapbooking? Or is it just Olan? You left out Olan's response asking if their posting history had been checked, implying Annabella was wrong that it was mostly race related. So I did exactly what the OP suggested, checked the history and stated a fact. I don't care what people post one way or the other. Post away about fitness goals, but then don't imply you don't post mostly about it. If this topic is important to Olan, it's okay to say that. I wasn't implying Annabella was wrong. I asked if she did the research to make that sort of definitive statement, when she claimed she did I thanked her for those observations. When you shared your limited research I decided to ignore it instead of going back and forth about the 8/10 threads Ive posted vs my posting history. Just to be clear I am aware of the threads I start and the number/type of threads I reply to. |
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Post by missbennet on Jun 29, 2017 17:30:43 GMT
I love synchronicity - this just popped up on my Instagram feed: Elisabeth Akinwale's InstagramHer quote: "Strong. Capable. Vulnerable. In need of protection. At the same damn time." I was at a retreat where she spoke a bit about the fitness universe and being invisible. Also, her abs are goals. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 17:56:44 GMT
That makes a lot of sense. I think someone else asked in the original thread how black women would react. I'm fairly positive the results would be different if black women were the subject of the study just from what my own reaction would be Except that I would've expected the results in the actual study that was done to be different, judging from what my reaction and those of white friends I know well would be. just because *we* (you and I) feel a certain way doesn't mean the results would support that. You may be right. I think black women may have a similar reaction to my own because historically we see black women place their gender before race. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 18:00:23 GMT
I have bookmarked the Georgetown study to read in more depth tonight. As an educator the subconscious, socially formed perception of children with many characteristics is important in my world. I am in a community with many Indian and Korean families, fewer black families in my school area, but we do talk often about perceiving certain kids as high or low achievers based on certain characteristics and letting that color our thoughts about kids without interrogating those assumptions somewhat. Thank you pondrunner I really appreciate the time you will take reviewing the study. My sister is also an educator. This isn't her research but her work involves how best to educate all children. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 18:08:58 GMT
I only read the executive summary and the conclusion of the Georgetown Law/SPLC document, and the underlying question for me was do the bullet points of people's perceptions ring true? I'd say yes, they do. SPLC is talking about justice system outcomes, but I think there are far-reaching social repercussions of those perceptions that are huge. Yes, agreed. As a meta-comment, I don't get the snark in this thread at all. It's a distraction from the real issues presented, and I find it a little boring. Yes, I know, I am welcome to see myself out. Thanks, Olan, for trying to have a real conversation, I think you need more skin in the game if you want better discourse. Participate more. You believe if I participated more here at 2peas people would be more amendable to having discussions with me? I disagree. Only because I've actively participated here since I was 19 or 20 years old. Not lurking. Posting. |
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Post by missbennet on Jun 29, 2017 18:12:42 GMT
No I meant participate more in your own threads. You start the conversations, and then say very little. This is pretty heavy, complex stuff you've brought to the table with your links - surely you have something meaningful to add.
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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 18:17:06 GMT
No I meant participate more in your own threads. You start the conversations, and then say very little. This is pretty heavy, complex stuff you've brought to the table with your links - surely you have something meaningful to add. Would you have seen this study but for me sharing? |
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Post by ginacivey on Jun 29, 2017 18:24:38 GMT
Would you have seen this study but for me sharing? so that's what you are doing? enlightening us? |
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Post by missbennet on Jun 29, 2017 18:26:29 GMT
No I meant participate more in your own threads. You start the conversations, and then say very little. This is pretty heavy, complex stuff you've brought to the table with your links - surely you have something meaningful to add. Would you have seen this study but for me sharing? Nope, but I still want to know what you think. Does it ring true? What do you think the next steps would be? Why did you share it/what do you hope to accomplish? LibraryLady shares a lot of informational links, and sometimes she doesn't say much about them, but I guess I think these particular links, I want to hear from the person who posted them. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 18:34:12 GMT
Would you have seen this study but for me sharing? Nope, but I still want to know what you think. Does it ring true? What do you think the next steps would be? Why did you share it/what do you hope to accomplish? LibraryLady shares a lot of informational links, and sometimes she doesn't say much about them, but I guess I think these particular links, I want to hear from the person who posted them. I didn't post the study to avoid sharing my "meaningful" thoughts. Do note my first response was in defense of my right to post. If someone asks me something specific or shares something I have commentary on I haven't sat on my hands. I admit my posts aren't as long or thought out as they would be if I was using my laptop but what specific questions have I ignored. |
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Post by blue tulip on Jun 29, 2017 18:54:33 GMT
Except that I would've expected the results in the actual study that was done to be different, judging from what my reaction and those of white friends I know well would be. just because *we* (you and I) feel a certain way doesn't mean the results would support that. You may be right. I think black women may have a similar reaction to my own because historically we see black women place their gender before race. legitimately not trying to be snarky here, but I would love if you could point me to some of the examples, so I can learn more about this. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 30, 2017 2:08:44 GMT
You may be right. I think black women may have a similar reaction to my own because historically we see black women place their gender before race. legitimately not trying to be snarky here, but I would love if you could point me to some of the examples, so I can learn more about this. A lot of think pieces came out after the 2008 elections that talked about black women, gender and race. I thought this election was a better example. I believe white women want the same power that white men have so as a result our feminism looks very different. Its very easy to place my gender above being black because of how unprotected I feel in the black community. I'm not offered any feminine luxuries by any male black or white so I don't cling to that identity. I don't think white women have ever felt that way because well.... Emmett Till
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Suffrage leader Susan B. Anthony infamously said, "I will cut off this right arm of mine before I will ever work or demand the ballot for the Negro and not the woman."
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Post by Olan on Jun 30, 2017 2:31:46 GMT
Couldn't find link.
A long tradition of black female competence, leadership, and self-determination forms the bases of black women's relationship to feminism. Black women have shared many of the general concerns of the women's movement such as suffrage and education in the nineteenth century and equal pay and child care in the twentieth. Yet they have not readily identified with a movement defined in terms of the experiences of white, middle-class women, nor have they participated en masse in its organizations and activities. Their absence is not, as often mistakenly assumed, from a lack of feminist consciousness but rather from their invisibility within, and the racism of, the movement's ideology and politics. Black feminist thought, organizations, and activism have existed and continue to exist independent of the women's movement. Black feminism is an active commitment to struggle against the multiple and simultaneous oppressions black women face and is articulated through the perspectives of African American women's cultural heritage.
Patricia Hill Collins (S14-S32) has identified three recurring themes in black feminist thought: (1) the affirmation of self-definitions and self-valuations; (2) attention to the interlocking nature of race, gender, and class oppressions; and (3) an awareness of the cultural heritage that has enabled generations of black women to resist these discriminations. The first theme stresses the importance of black women's establishing positive individual and collective images; discovering their own perspective on their life circumstances; and applying their own standards of beauty, thought, and action. In asserting self-determination, a single black female perspective, image, or feminism is not presumed. Just as the realities of black women's lives differ, so, too, does the acceptable range of their political and social expression. Maria Stewart, perhaps the first woman to speak publicly in this nation, wrote in 1831 of the importance of black women describing and naming themselves (see 183-200).
The second persistent theme in black feminism is the recognition of the multiple jeopardies of race, class, gender, and sexuality that circumscribe black women's lives. Anna Julia Cooper, who was born in slavery in 1858 and became a noted educator, earning a Ph.D. at the age of 63, spoke of black women's being "doubly enslaved" and of their confronting both "the women question and a race problem" (see selections from her writings in Loewenberg and Bogin and in Lerner). Today, black female scholars and writers still examine the issue of these dual discriminations. (See DOUBLE JEOPARDY.) This acknowledgment of simultaneous oppressions necessitates a more encompassing, humanist vision in their feminist theorizing. Black women have continually insisted that their liberation must entail the liberation of all black people. At the First National Conference of Colored Women in 1895, activist Josephine St. Pierre Ruffin stated, "Our woman's movement is a woman's movement that is led and directed by women for the good of women and men, for the benefit of all humanity, which is more than any one branch or section of it" (see Lerner, 440-443).
This note of universalism is heard in the voices of contemporary black feminists such as bell hooks, who states that "feminism ... is a commitment to eradicating the ideology of domination that permeates Western culture on various levels?sex, race, and class, to name a few?and a commitment to reorganizing U.S. society so that the self-development of people can take precedence over imperialism, economic expansion, and material desires" (194).
Black feminism always entails a recognition of community. Feminist concerns are manifest in work for religious, health, educational, cultural, and other community institutions through such organizations as the National Association of Colored Women and the National Council of Negro Women. In the economic arena, black women have organized mutual benefit associations like the Independent Order of Saint Luke, which founded the longest continuously operating black bank in the country, labor unions such as the Tobacco Workers Union, and community development foundations.
A recognition of black feminism's historical origins in African American women's culture is the third theme. Black females learn skills, values, and attitudes for maintaining collective efforts and perpetuating positive self-concepts. The wisdom born of resistance has encouraged the development of dignity, strength, independence, and imagination, which have continued through generations (see Davis). Through informal work, local service groups, and a national club movement, black women labor together seeking emancipation. Their political activism and savvy were developed in such groups as the Women's Era Club of Boston, founded in the 1890s, which, through its newsletter, The Women's Era, denounced lynching and advocated woman suffrage; the Combahee River Collective (1974); the National Black Feminist Organization (1973); the National Political Congress of Black Women (1984); and the Black Women's Liberation Committee of the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee.
This collective consciousness is preserved, studied, and shared through the scholarship of black feminists. There are black women's courses, programs, and conferences; research centers such as the Center for Research on Women at Memphis State University or the National Institute on Women of Color in Washington, D.C.; journals such as Sage: A Scholarly Journal on Black Women; and publishing companies such as Kitchen Table: Women of Color Press. A decidedly pro-woman culture enriches and empowers black women to create choices even in the face of external constraints.
The historical continuity of black feminist expressions can be traced from the 1833 address of Maria Stewart, "What If I Am a Woman," to Sojourner Truth's famous "Ain't I a Woman?" speech in 1851, to Amy Garvey's 1925 editorial "Women as Leaders," to Alice Walker's "womanist," a concept that comes closest to encompassing the range of ideologies and praxis of black women's feminism: "A womanist acknowledges the particularistic experiences and cultural heritage of black women, resists systems of domination, and insists on the liberty and self-determination of all people" (quoted from Womanist, Womanism, Womanish, infra).
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Post by zookeeper on Jun 30, 2017 3:15:18 GMT
"Strong. Capable. Vulnerable. In need of protection. At the same damn time." I love Elisabeth Akinwale! What an amazing role model she is for young girls! |
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Post by Olan on Feb 20, 2018 14:47:02 GMT
No I meant participate more in your own threads. You start the conversations, and then say very little. This is pretty heavy, complex stuff you've brought to the table with your links - surely you have something meaningful to add. This is an old thread Olan is bumping. |
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Post by Olan on Oct 23, 2019 0:46:10 GMT
For posterity when someone undoubtedly complains about the bumping threads Whatever floats your boat.... |
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