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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 13:31:10 GMT
I posted a study regarding the unlikelihood of a white woman lending help to a black woman in a rape situation. Here is another study that piggybacks from a 2014 study (P. Goff) regarding how black male children are viewed by society. Thoughts?
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Post by annabella on Jun 29, 2017 14:12:03 GMT
Why is only your current involvement in the board race related?
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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 14:15:20 GMT
Why is only your current involvement in the board race related? Why is only your...? I believe I understand what you are trying to say. Have you checked my posting history?
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Post by missbennet on Jun 29, 2017 14:30:24 GMT
I posted a study regarding the unlikelihood of a white woman lending help to a black woman in a rape situation. Here is another study that piggybacks from a 2014 study (P. Goff) regarding how black male children are viewed by society. Thoughts? I'll bite. From the original journal article in your other post: The parts I bolded: I think age confounds this study in a significant way, in that younger women will parse a stranger's risk and their own personal responsibility differently than older women will. The part I italicized: very troubling. And here I tread in treacherous waters: I think people are more likely to help and react decisively when they more closely identify with the victim. I believe we know that race creates a "like me-not like me" dichotomy in people's minds that slows or impedes thinking critically and rationally. I wonder how this would play out with the races reversed. To this, I am annoyed. WHAT bystander education programs? No one talks about this, there doesn't seem to be a real drive to help women help each other navigate assault situations. Shit, we don't even treat victims well most of the time, let alone aspire to have a plan to help. I've helped and been helped in scary situations with potential attackers, but everyone was acting on instinct in the moment, not any training or education that was received.
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Post by annabella on Jun 29, 2017 14:35:57 GMT
Have you checked my posting history? Yes, that is why I asked the question. And I've also seen that you never answer questions in your threads, just come back with random responses.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 29, 2017 14:38:05 GMT
Any time results of a study are prefaced with "as expected" I start doubting validity.
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Post by missbennet on Jun 29, 2017 14:38:55 GMT
Oh, well, that's annoying. I hope that's not the case here, as I actually read the abstract and gave it some thought before I answered. Would you want to weigh in on what I wrote?
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Post by missbennet on Jun 29, 2017 14:40:54 GMT
Any time results of a study are prefaced with "as expected" I start doubting validity. I noticed that too, but when you do studies, you are supposed to have a hypothesis and disprove or fail to disprove it. Their hypothesis was that they expected a race-based difference and the hypothesis was not disproven (you can't prove much in science, particularly social science, so the path is to disprove or not).
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 29, 2017 14:46:07 GMT
Any time results of a study are prefaced with "as expected" I start doubting validity. I noticed that too, but when you do studies, you are supposed to have a hypothesis and disprove or fail to disprove it. Their hypothesis was that they expected a race-based difference and the hypothesis was not disproven (you can't prove much in science, particularly social science, so the path is to disprove or not). But you don't expect results. Especially with social sciences. Too much room for bias. Instead of "as expected" you would say "results support the hypothesis." There is a big difference.
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Post by JustTricia on Jun 29, 2017 14:47:56 GMT
Why is only your current involvement in the board race related? Why is only your...? I believe I understand what you are trying to say. Have you checked my posting history? Thanks for suggesting checking your posting history, I just did. Eight of the last ten threads you started were race related.
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Post by missbennet on Jun 29, 2017 14:48:15 GMT
Agreed - it comes across as kind of salty almost, but I also see a lot more of that kind of writing in social sciences than say, microbiology papers.
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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 14:52:59 GMT
Have you checked my posting history? Yes, that is why I asked the question. And I've also seen that you never answer questions in your threads, just come back with random responses. Thank you for your astute observations. Have a great day.
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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 15:01:15 GMT
Any time results of a study are prefaced with "as expected" I start doubting validity. What are your thoughts on the Georgetown Law study? Erasure of Black Girls
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 15:07:20 GMT
I think if you look for something you are always going to find it.
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Post by missbennet on Jun 29, 2017 15:11:04 GMT
Any time results of a study are prefaced with "as expected" I start doubting validity. What are your thoughts on the Georgetown Law study? Erasure of Black Girls
Easier ReadWhat is this, 20 questions? It's your turn to share your thoughts. There's no point trying to have conversations about important issues like this if you come at us like a senate committee meeting and don't add anything but more links. This is why we can't have nice things.
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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 15:12:34 GMT
I think if you look for something you are always going to find it. That is an interesting line of thought. I disagree. If something is glaringly obvious we shouldn't ignore it.
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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 15:14:44 GMT
What is this, 20 questions? It's your turn to share your thoughts. There's no point trying to have conversations about important issues like this if you come at us like a senate committee meeting and don't add anything but more links. This is why we can't have nice things. I was hoping to discuss the new study. I should have placed the link that I wanted to discuss first in the thread. My mistake.
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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 15:16:36 GMT
The part I italicized: very troubling. And here I tread in treacherous waters: I think people are more likely to help and react decisively when they more closely identify with the victim. I believe we know that race creates a "like me-not like me" dichotomy in people's minds that slows or impedes thinking critically and rationally. I wonder how this would play out with the races reversed. That makes a lot of sense. I think someone else asked in the original thread how black women would react. I'm fairly positive the results would be different if black women were the subject of the study just from what my own reaction would be
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 29, 2017 15:20:36 GMT
I think if you look for something you are always going to find it. That is an interesting line of thought. I disagree. If something is glaringly obvious we shouldn't ignore it. oh. damn. I was just about to ignore you.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 29, 2017 15:21:25 GMT
The part I italicized: very troubling. And here I tread in treacherous waters: I think people are more likely to help and react decisively when they more closely identify with the victim. I believe we know that race creates a "like me-not like me" dichotomy in people's minds that slows or impedes thinking critically and rationally. I wonder how this would play out with the races reversed. That makes a lot of sense. I think someone else asked in the original thread how black women would react. I'm fairly positive the results would be different if black women were the subject of the study just from what my own reaction would be of course you are.
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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 15:22:14 GMT
That is an interesting line of thought. I disagree. If something is glaringly obvious we shouldn't ignore it. oh. damn. I was just about to ignore you. Please do so. Have a great day.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 29, 2017 15:25:26 GMT
oh. damn. I was just about to ignore you. Please do so. Have a great day. I apologize for my snark. I spent the morning verbally sparring with a friend, all in good fun. I guess I had some residual cheekiness I needed to share.
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Post by jennyap on Jun 29, 2017 15:27:57 GMT
Why is only your current involvement in the board race related? Thanks for suggesting checking your posting history, I just did. Eight of the last ten threads you started were race related. People post about what is important to them. Are you challenging people whose threads are 80% political, or about food, or fitness, or scrapbooking? Or is it just Olan?
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Post by Olan on Jun 29, 2017 15:30:01 GMT
Please do so. Have a great day. I apologize for my snark. I spent the morning verbally sparring with a friend, all in good fun. I guess I had some residual cheekiness I needed to share. No worries. Still feel free to ignore me. Have a great day
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Post by ginacivey on Jun 29, 2017 15:40:43 GMT
so these articles...both the study and the huffpo synopsis ...are speaking about the adultification of black children with the emphasis on black girls
and it stems from two sources
1. socialization - black children, because of their social situation, are forced to function at a more mature age based upon their situations 2. perception - how adults see these children without knowing their actual behavior
so the study is focusing on the perception source - how adults treat these children without knowing much about them
so does the adultification process happen because of the adult's previous interactions with other black children or is it something else?
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Post by missbennet on Jun 29, 2017 15:42:02 GMT
I only read the executive summary and the conclusion of the Georgetown Law/SPLC document, and the underlying question for me was do the bullet points of people's perceptions ring true? I'd say yes, they do. SPLC is talking about justice system outcomes, but I think there are far-reaching social repercussions of those perceptions that are huge.
Yes, agreed.
As a meta-comment, I don't get the snark in this thread at all. It's a distraction from the real issues presented, and I find it a little boring. Yes, I know, I am welcome to see myself out. Thanks, Olan, for trying to have a real conversation, I think you need more skin in the game if you want better discourse. Participate more.
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Post by JustTricia on Jun 29, 2017 15:57:01 GMT
Why is only your current involvement in the board race related? Thanks for suggesting checking your posting history, I just did. Eight of the last ten threads you started were race related. People post about what is important to them. Are you challenging people whose threads are 80% political, or about food, or fitness, or scrapbooking? Or is it just Olan? You left out Olan's response asking if their posting history had been checked, implying Annabella was wrong that it was mostly race related. So I did exactly what the OP suggested, checked the history and stated a fact. I don't care what people post one way or the other. Post away about fitness goals, but then don't imply you don't post mostly about it. If this topic is important to Olan, it's okay to say that.
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Post by jennyap on Jun 29, 2017 16:05:22 GMT
People post about what is important to them. Are you challenging people whose threads are 80% political, or about food, or fitness, or scrapbooking? Or is it just Olan? You left out Olan's response asking if their posting history had been checked, implying Annabella was wrong that it was mostly race related. So I did exactly what the OP suggested, checked the history and stated a fact. I don't care what people post one way or the other. Post away about fitness goals, but then don't imply you don't post mostly about it. If this topic is important to Olan, it's okay to say that. Except that Annabella said "only", not mostly, so Olan's posting history does show that Annabella was wrong about that.
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Post by pondrunner on Jun 29, 2017 16:13:10 GMT
I have bookmarked the Georgetown study to read in more depth tonight. As an educator the subconscious, socially formed perception of children with many characteristics is important in my world. I am in a community with many Indian and Korean families, fewer black families in my school area, but we do talk often about perceiving certain kids as high or low achievers based on certain characteristics and letting that color our thoughts about kids without interrogating those assumptions somewhat.
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Post by blue tulip on Jun 29, 2017 16:21:03 GMT
The part I italicized: very troubling. And here I tread in treacherous waters: I think people are more likely to help and react decisively when they more closely identify with the victim. I believe we know that race creates a "like me-not like me" dichotomy in people's minds that slows or impedes thinking critically and rationally. I wonder how this would play out with the races reversed. That makes a lot of sense. I think someone else asked in the original thread how black women would react. I'm fairly positive the results would be different if black women were the subject of the study just from what my own reaction would be Except that I would've expected the results in the actual study that was done to be different, judging from what my reaction and those of white friends I know well would be. just because *we* (you and I) feel a certain way doesn't mean the results would support that.
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