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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 17, 2017 12:06:20 GMT
No one here is trying to prove you wrong. That's all in your head and you need to reconcile that with yourself. No one here has said that killing black people is a-okay either. The poster who said "muddy the waters" is not meaning what you are implying/assigning a new meaning to. You are trying so hard to find fault with every single word others typed here, that you miss what people are saying completely. If no one is trying to prove me wrong then what is everyone trying to do here? Hahaha Have you read the responses to me? So it's all in my head. Someone said I was a crazy bitch who couldn't let white women be right or have the last word. When I asked what would happen if I was wrong about every news article or think piece I posted. No one replied of course. I am finding fault with someone disagreeing with me when I say Urbanski not being charged with a hate crime is a miscarriage of justice. Or someone prompting me to see the "progress" in this case. All of which happened in this very short thread How do you know what I am implying about her word usage? "They muddy the water and tell you it's deep." No one here called you a crazy bitch. No one here said that a hate crime muddy's the water--she asked you a question about it, not making a statement that it did. You assumed/assigned something else to it. No one here disagreed with you that not being charged with a hate crime was a miscarriage of justice. again, you're making assumptions about what others think. Word usage--how do I know? Because I read what was actually written without inserting anything else into the meaning. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 17, 2017 12:32:50 GMT
The justice system has NOT failed. Urbanski is being charged with murder, and the punishment to be pursued is life without parole. How is that a failure? Would you prefer he be charged with a "hate crime", a charge that carry lesser/differing sentencing restrictions, and that may potentially muddy the original murder charge? I'm not going to engage with you papercrafteradvocate there is no room for growth for either of us. zookeeper called me a crazy bitch and in the same thread another pea said I "couldn't let white women be right". I'm going to let you be right starting right now. If you could limit your interactions with me that would be great. Have a good week |
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 17, 2017 13:59:19 GMT
If you don't mind, please edit your post. You're calling out two other peas, yet quoting my post. Thank you.
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Post by zookeeper on Jul 17, 2017 14:02:25 GMT
Yes...I called you a crazy bitch and I will own that all day long. As long as you are running around 2 Peas liking threads of of mine that are two years old and refuse to answer WHY when I point blank asked you....you are a crazy bitch.
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Post by zookeeper on Jul 17, 2017 14:05:44 GMT
And FTR....I called you that on a completely unrelated thread to this. We all know that you are a troll. You are accomplishing nothing here at 2 Peas.
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Post by zookeeper on Jul 17, 2017 14:15:30 GMT
Someone said I was a crazy bitch who couldn't let white women be right or have the last word. I called you a crazy bitch. Here is what I typed... Then why are YOU going back to find threads that I posted in 2015 to like it. You are one crazy bitch. Another pea said- Translation: Because I want to prove myself right and no white woman will tell me otherwise. Somehow you lumped those two things together. You manipulate words. Troll. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 17, 2017 14:21:07 GMT
If you don't mind, please edit your post. You're calling out two other peas, yet quoting my post. Thank you. I was responding to a pea who quoted you in your defense. She said that no one called me a bitch and well you can read what she said and why it was necessary for me to provide the quoted text that I did. Have a good day. We've come a long way, baby what the actual fuck are you talking about here? |
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 17, 2017 14:38:08 GMT
Still makes no sense. You're going to have to leave me out of your responses - you are misinterpreting my comments, and it's unfair of you to mis-state what I said.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 17, 2017 14:42:53 GMT
The justice system has NOT failed. Urbanski is being charged with murder, and the punishment to be pursued is life without parole. How is that a failure? Would you prefer he be charged with a "hate crime", a charge that carry lesser/differing sentencing restrictions, and that may potentially muddy the original murder charge? I'm not going to engage with you papercrafteradvocate there is no room for growth for either of us. zookeeper called me a crazy bitch and in the same thread another pea said I "couldn't let white women be right". I'm going to let you be right starting right now. If you could limit your interactions with me that would be great. Have a good week Sadly, you are correct--I suspect that you are not intent on any growth here at all, given your posting and I'll contribute where I feel I can, thankyouverymuch. You cannot even acknowledge your own (incorrect) assumptions here. Why is that? Funny you can insult peas by lumping in one group "because they are white" yet are surprised (or using as an answer) when someone says something about your posting (and not about your race). (ETA--I did not see the post zookeeper posted) |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 17, 2017 14:45:31 GMT
Oh, and I just found it--I did not see it because it wasn't even this thread. And I will plop this right here: So if you know my intentions are don't want to be baited may I ask that you limit your interactions with me and remove yourself from my threads full stop. It prevents the dialogue I am trying to have. You don't need to come back and tell me what you feel about me. I live as a black woman every single day. Message received. I'm telling you I am here for dialogue and you insist that I am not. I concede and ask that the dialogue between you and I stop. Cut your notifications off if you don't want to see when I like some questionable comment you made in 2017. No worries I'm not saving it to use against you, I'm bookmarking the spot so my sister and I can go over again why I was a pea for as many years as I was. My summation of you does not have anything to do with you being a black woman. It has to do with how you treat people who have been trying to show support or kindness. You rage all over them. I honestly have not seen ANYONE here as of late treat you like shit or respond to you poorly because you are black. It's all in the crappy persona you put forth here. I would never presume to act/think I know/tell you how to feel as a black woman, but you sure tell quite a few of us how to do, think, feel about it. You have so missed an opportunity here--to educate, share your story, seek conversation and have the connection with a vast group of women--because any time anyone posts anything, you've taken to rage on and tell them their thoughts, their story, their contributions to society (or even just this group) are always shortcomings, never enough, never good enough, bullshit, or that we are white. While members here have honestly tried to bond or connect with you in some way, you do everything in your being here to alienate them, push them away. You have no idea who any of us are and what we do within our own lives and community, yet you pass judgment with every post--something you claim to fight against in your own milieu. You don't read what peas are posting--you respond with your preconceived thoughts, clouding the issue. I (and reiterating what many have shared here over time) don't lump the poor behaviors of one race onto the entire race--but you do in your claims (see Sean Urbansky thread for just one example). I (again others here too) are appalled and rightly outraged and use our voices in our communities and voting to make wrongs not happen again. So very many of us are outraged that the sitting POTUS feeds into this reprehensible and disturbing behavior. In these threads, you've gotten support over the topics that you've posted--yet you continue to bash or twist what they are saying (or bait) those who do want to talk about it, again, a missed opportunity on your part to actually engage in thoughtful conversation. And I'm 100% certain that if someone told you to stop posting, reading threads, engaging--you'd go off on them for saying that--so if YOU cannot take the criticism or comments of fellow peas on how they view your posting style or your constant continued barrage of "white people suck/don't do enough/are assholes" then maybe you need to back off. I get it, you're angry, scary shit is happening that should not be in 2017, we're angry too, but I'll say this as nicely as I can--ease up on the rage for your fellow peas, we are not the enemy here. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 17, 2017 14:55:58 GMT
Still makes no sense. You're going to have to leave me out of your responses - you are misinterpreting my comments, and it's unfair of you to mis-state what I said. If you're going to respond to me, then please at least respond to questions that I ask. Thank you. No one here said that a hate crime muddy's the water--she asked you a question about it, not making a statement that it did. You assumed/assigned something else to it. Would you prefer he be charged with a "hate crime", a charge that carry lesser/differing sentencing restrictions, and that may potentially muddy the original murder charge? If you'd like to be left out of my responses than maybe it would be wise to ask papercrafteradvocate that she not speak for you especially since she didn't do such a good job. True you were asking a question but you did say that applying a hate crime law could "muddy" a murder case. Didn't you? Someone else helped you out and provided the idiom like I wasn't clear on what you meant. To answer your eloquent almost rhetorical question. I think that Urbanski should be charged with a hate crime. I disagree with you that doing so would prevent the case from ending favorably and providing true justice for the Collins family. Yes it was murder but it happened because S.U. hates black men. Again in an effort to shut me up or prove how wrong you illustrate exactly what needs to change. Sadly you guys are the jurors. Hate Crimes Aren't |
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 17, 2017 15:10:36 GMT
It is common legal knowledge that prosecutors go to prelim with the charge they know will STICK. In this case, it's a blatant murder charge. It would be ridiculous to go to the prelim with a "hate crime" - a notoriously difficult charge to prosecute on it's own. Hence, why the prosecutors in THIS case are leaving the potential hate crime charge as a viable add, but not going forth with it at the present time. I never said that IT WOULD prevent a favorable end, but that it MAY prevent a favorable end. Let's not get into a legal debate here - unless you are a criminal lawyer, you don't know the complicated ins and outs of prosecuting a case. And no, watching endless re-runs of CSI does not count.  My question to you was this: why did you think that my wording "muddying the water" was an interesting choice of words? That question, asked twice now, remains unanswered. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 17, 2017 15:32:48 GMT
It is common legal knowledge that prosecutors go to prelim with the charge they know will STICK. In this case, it's a blatant murder charge. It would be ridiculous to go to the prelim with a "hate crime" - a notoriously difficult charge to prosecute on it's own. Hence, why the prosecutors in THIS case are leaving the potential hate crime charge as a viable add, but not going forth with it at the present time. I never said that IT WOULD prevent a favorable end, but that it MAY prevent a favorable end. Let's not get into a legal debate here - unless you are a criminal lawyer, you don't know the complicated ins and outs of prosecuting a case. And no, watching endless re-runs of CSI does not count. My question to you was this: why did you think that my wording "muddying the water" was an interesting choice of words? That question, asked twice now, remains unanswered. I've entertained your foolishness enough. Your condescending tone. *You cursing* Your insistence that I answer your questions though you've never answered mine. Non meat of the story: My dad died when I was a teenager. He knew he was dying. His advice was always oddly placed. One piece of advice I've always carried with me is marry a man who is named John Henry I or Michael Williams III because that meant someone "poured into him". I remember being an ass and I said something like why not a Jr. and he said something alone the lines of never a Jr. because his father is arrogant and we laughed. Meat: Imagine the care his parents took in rearing him. The adversity he may have faced in his life as a black kid yet he still decided this country was worthy of his service. Days away from graduation a white man stabs him while he waits for an Uber. Before he could begin his own legacy. If you knew the reason your child was killed wouldn't you want everyone else to acknowledge that fact. This should not have happened. Black people have suffered enough. Going back and forth with you when your agenda isn't the same as mine means I've lost my own way. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 17, 2017 15:37:52 GMT
Did you click the links to see what evidence might already be available? When was the last time a black kid walked into a church and killed 9 white people? When was the last time a black kid left Baltimore with the plan to randomly kill white people? When was the last time a white teenager was killed by a LEO with a history of PTSD and putting guns to the heads of citizens? When was the last time white men were labeled super predators? Are there any cell phone videos of Black people yelling racial slurs at anyone? Scattershot blast of accusations and diversions? Is that what this is? What does your social responsibility suggest you do? For those who just think I am a black woman who just can't let a white woman be right have you considered what the world would look like if you were right and I was wrong? How do you know what I am implying about her word usage? "They muddy the water and tell you it's deep." |
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 17, 2017 15:44:50 GMT
It is common legal knowledge that prosecutors go to prelim with the charge they know will STICK. In this case, it's a blatant murder charge. It would be ridiculous to go to the prelim with a "hate crime" - a notoriously difficult charge to prosecute on it's own. Hence, why the prosecutors in THIS case are leaving the potential hate crime charge as a viable add, but not going forth with it at the present time. I never said that IT WOULD prevent a favorable end, but that it MAY prevent a favorable end. Let's not get into a legal debate here - unless you are a criminal lawyer, you don't know the complicated ins and outs of prosecuting a case. And no, watching endless re-runs of CSI does not count. My question to you was this: why did you think that my wording "muddying the water" was an interesting choice of words? That question, asked twice now, remains unanswered. I've entertained your foolishness enough. Your condescending tone. You cursing. Your insistence that I answer your questions though you've never answer mine. Non meat of the story: My dad died when I was a teenager. He knew he was dying. His advice was always oddly placed. One piece of advice I've always carried with me is marry a man who is named John Henry I or Michael Williams III because that meant someone "poured into him". I remember being an ass and I said something like why not a Jr. and he said something alone the lines of never a Jr. because his father is arrogant and we laughed. Meat: Imagine the care his parents took in rearing him. The adversity he may have faced in his life as a black kid yet he still decided this country was worthy of his service. Days away from graduation a white man stabs him while he waits for an Uber. Before he could begin his own legacy. If you knew the reason your child was killed wouldn't you want everyone else to acknowledge that fact. This should not have happened. Black people have suffered enough. Going back and forth with you when your agenda isn't the same as mine means I've lost my own way.  Uncle. I give. This has been, by far, the weirdest interaction I've had with any human being. I wish you well. SaveSave |
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Post by elaine on Jul 17, 2017 16:04:32 GMT
You keep quoting Nietzsche, do you even know what the quote means? He, too, is using the idiom in its classic sense, although he wrote in German, so maybe he used another similar idiom in German and it was translated thusly.
The sentence you quote by Nietzsche refers to, like the usage by the poster in this thread, bringing up additional information (mud from the bottom of the river/body of water), making the true nature of the issue (depth of water) difficult to ascertain.
I still don't understand why you find using this idiom so insulting? Could you please explain in your own words? Quoting Nietzsche without commentary just made me more confused.
I am truly trying to understand what you are saying.
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Post by Olan on Jul 17, 2017 16:33:28 GMT
No one here is trying to prove you wrong. That's all in your head and you need to reconcile that with yourself. No one here has said that killing black people is a-okay either. The poster who said "muddy the waters" is not meaning what you are implying/assigning a new meaning to. You are trying so hard to find fault with every single word others typed here, that you miss what people are saying completely. No one here called you a crazy bitch. No one here said that a hate crime muddy's the water--she asked you a question about it, not making a statement that it did. You assumed/assigned something else to it. No one here disagreed with you that not being charged with a hate crime was a miscarriage of justice. again, you're making assumptions about what others think. Word usage--how do I know? Because I read what was actually written without inserting anything else into the meaning This is what being gracious would look like "Olan I did see zookeeper calling you a crazy bitch and I now see that I was wrong about you implying or assigning a new meaning to what kibbleandbits said." Show me where I said I was insulted by the idiom. I did not. Its words on a screen. You can't make them up. You can't imply what I've implied because I didn't imply anything. She absolutely said it could muddy the murder charge. Again its words on a screen! She may deny it though. In the same indignant way the *other person in this thread* who refuses to limit their interactions with me will not say hmm okay guess I was reaching or flat out wrong. All because you are trying to argue down something that has no defense. A distraction. Thats what you are. What I did say was that the word choice was an interesting one Further down I shared one of my favorite quotes one I've shared here several times Please know that I don't owe any of you courtesy or explanations when you've spoken so harshly to me in the past and in this very thread. You'll deflect and say I baited you or try to convince people how horrible my character is but it will be clear whose character is lacking in these threads. Even if you are on the bitter angry black woman bandwagon *who deserves mistreatment by police based on my 2peas participation* that could never change the truth about who you are at your core. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 17, 2017 16:37:51 GMT
 Its clear that many of you don't think highly of me. You've already told me so and if you'd like to send one final peamail please feel free. I'm asking from a good respectful place that you just avoid interacting with me. When I don't respond to you or if Ive asked you pointedly to limit your interactions with me I'd ask that you please respect that. Feel free to say whatever you'd like but I don't want to do the whole reshun-unshun thing again and again. I'll admit it is hard to recall who has engaged in the more personal attacks so sometimes I'll walk into a thread and interact with you unknowingly. Its always clear within a couple exchanges but sometimes I truly don't recall our history. Apologize in advance for that. I wish you all the best |
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Post by zookeeper on Jul 17, 2017 17:35:21 GMT
'm asking from a good respectful place that you just avoid interacting with me. Deal. But if you like one more post of mine then the deal is off. You want people to leave you alone yet you want to poke the puppy without repercussions. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 17, 2017 19:52:07 GMT
No one here is trying to prove you wrong. That's all in your head and you need to reconcile that with yourself. No one here has said that killing black people is a-okay either. The poster who said "muddy the waters" is not meaning what you are implying/assigning a new meaning to. You are trying so hard to find fault with every single word others typed here, that you miss what people are saying completely. No one here called you a crazy bitch. No one here said that a hate crime muddy's the water--she asked you a question about it, not making a statement that it did. You assumed/assigned something else to it. No one here disagreed with you that not being charged with a hate crime was a miscarriage of justice. again, you're making assumptions about what others think. Word usage--how do I know? Because I read what was actually written without inserting anything else into the meaning This is what being gracious would look like "Olan I did see zookeeper calling you a crazy bitch and I now see that I was wrong about you implying or assigning a new meaning to what kibbleandbits said." Show me where I said I was insulted by the idiom. I did not. Its words on a screen. You can't make them up. You can't imply what I've implied because I didn't imply anything. She absolutely said it could muddy the murder charge. Again its words on a screen! She may deny it though. In the same indignant way the *other person in this thread* who refuses to limit their interactions with me will not say hmm okay guess I was reaching or flat out wrong. All because you are trying to argue down something that has no defense. A distraction. Thats what you are. What I did say was that the word choice was an interesting one Further down I shared one of my favorite quotes one I've shared here several times Please know that I don't owe any of you courtesy or explanations when you've spoken so harshly to me in the past and in this very thread. You'll deflect and say I baited you or try to convince people how horrible my character is but it will be clear whose character is lacking in these threads. Even if you are on the bitter angry black woman bandwagon *who deserves mistreatment by police based on my 2peas participation* that could never change the truth about who you are at your core. You know nothing about me. "Bitter black woman bandwagon...deserve it..." What bullshit. I didn't say that and it speaks volumes of your character that you would assign it to peas who have not. Liar much? YOU are what's wrong here--you think everyone has slighted you, when in reality the words are your own and not anyone else's--your preconceived, assumed responses. You are ready at the quick to jump on peas because you have said its because you are black. I don't care if you're red, purple, pink or black--YOUR Responses and hatefulness are what get those negatives, not your color. You are right--Peas will see character flaws here--all of them. I'm good with what I've written because I've not been hateful towards you at all. You continually point out slurs and slams of anyone who is white, but you haven't gotten the same in return. Extend graciousness to you? You really think you deserve it? I'm not being hateful towards you, my responses are BECAUSE OF YOUR ACTIONS HERE, and still not hateful! I wasn't wrong in stating that no one here called you a crazy bitch---because it wasn't here in this thread that I was commenting on, I'm not in the habit of mixing up threads! Notice how I didn't say you were any of those things? But I'm sure that doesn't matter to you since you lump all of us white people into one group, right? And again, she ASKED YOU if you thought it would "muddy the waters" ...she was ASKING YOU, she wasn't making a declaration that it would. But in your head, you think she said it would and I will go out on a limb and say that you take issue with her use of "muddy" because you think it was a purposeful slam on race, and not what she actually meant "to make something more complicated and less clear". I'm betting she was not referring to Muddy Waters, the person. |
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Post by elaine on Jul 19, 2017 16:36:30 GMT
Disgusting. I hope he is never elected to any office again, even to something less than County Council, like secretary of his HOA. Anyone with those beliefs and affiliations has no business in public office. |
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Post by shescrafty on Jul 19, 2017 18:31:29 GMT
I am not going to get into the personal back and forth because I have no dog in that fight. however the murder by Urbanski is local to me. He went to the same high school as my son does now. That disgusting Peroutka was elected in my district and it sickens me. I love where we live. We live close to the Chesapeake Bay and have beautiful nearby rivers. But the racism here is blatant and ugly. Living here makes me know in my heart it was a hate crime. Talking to people who knew him as he was growing up makes it clear that he was a hateful racist. I wish it was going to be prosecuted as a hate crime and quite honestly it shocks me considering what has already been made public. But if it will be easier to make it stick as a murder charge and Urbanski get locked up for life then so be it, but I don't feel like it is right. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 19, 2017 19:18:43 GMT
I am not going to get into the personal back and forth because I have no dog in that fight. however the murder by Urbanski is local to me. He went to the same high school as my son does now. That disgusting Peroutka was elected in my district and it sickens me. I love where we live. We live close to the Chesapeake Bay and have beautiful nearby rivers. But the racism here is blatant and ugly. Living here makes me know in my heart it was a hate crime. Talking to people who knew him as he was growing up makes it clear that he was a hateful racist. I wish it was going to be prosecuted as a hate crime and quite honestly it shocks me considering what has already been made public. But if it will be easier to make it stick as a murder charge and Urbanski get locked up for life then so be it, but I don't feel like it is right. I haven't engaged in any personal attacks so I don't have a dog in that kinda fight either. The real question should be why is everyone so adversarial when I am simply bringing awareness to an issue that they can choose to either ignore or take action against. I've paid taxes in AA county and though I don't currently live there I make at least 5 calls every single day. Someone in a position of authority hears by voice Mon-Friday. Your community could be doing so much more. |
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Post by shescrafty on Jul 19, 2017 19:23:36 GMT
I am not going to get into the personal back and forth because I have no dog in that fight. however the murder by Urbanski is local to me. He went to the same high school as my son does now. That disgusting Peroutka was elected in my district and it sickens me. I love where we live. We live close to the Chesapeake Bay and have beautiful nearby rivers. But the racism here is blatant and ugly. Living here makes me know in my heart it was a hate crime. Talking to people who knew him as he was growing up makes it clear that he was a hateful racist. I wish it was going to be prosecuted as a hate crime and quite honestly it shocks me considering what has already been made public. But if it will be easier to make it stick as a murder charge and Urbanski get locked up for life then so be it, but I don't feel like it is right. I haven't engaged in any personal attacks so I don't have a dog in that kinda fight either. The real question should be why is everyone so adversarial when I am simply bringing awareness to an issue that they can choose to either ignore or take action against. I've paid taxes in AA county and though I don't currently live there I make at least 5 calls every single day. Someone in a position of authority hears by voice Mon-Friday. Your community could be doing so much more. I agree with you about Anne Arundel County. I am currently part of a woman's group that deals with different issues politically. There are people here trying to fight what is going on. The people that like the status quo that has been here for a long time are SHOCKED that people are fighting back and pointing out the inequalities here. People have accepted the way things are for so long that they cannot fathom that many of us don't like what is going on here and want change. It is slow going but I feel the tides are turning. |
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Post by lesleyanne on Jul 19, 2017 21:49:55 GMT
I am not going to get into the personal back and forth because I have no dog in that fight. however the murder by Urbanski is local to me. He went to the same high school as my son does now. That disgusting Peroutka was elected in my district and it sickens me. I love where we live. We live close to the Chesapeake Bay and have beautiful nearby rivers. But the racism here is blatant and ugly. Living here makes me know in my heart it was a hate crime. Talking to people who knew him as he was growing up makes it clear that he was a hateful racist. I wish it was going to be prosecuted as a hate crime and quite honestly it shocks me considering what has already been made public. But if it will be easier to make it stick as a murder charge and Urbanski get locked up for life then so be it, but I don't feel like it is right. I haven't engaged in any personal attacks so I don't have a dog in that kinda fight either. The real question should be why is everyone so adversarial when I am simply bringing awareness to an issue that they can choose to either ignore or take action against. I've paid taxes in AA county and though I don't currently live there I make at least 5 calls every single day. Someone in a position of authority hears by voice Mon-Friday. Your community could be doing so much more. I think you have a valid question: why is everyone so adversarial? From reading this thread and a few others, although not participating, it seems to me that your call to action is coming off as adversarial, divisive and abrasive. Which might be a good tactic or not. Your mileage may vary. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 20, 2017 1:26:38 GMT
I haven't engaged in any personal attacks so I don't have a dog in that kinda fight either. The real question should be why is everyone so adversarial when I am simply bringing awareness to an issue that they can choose to either ignore or take action against. I've paid taxes in AA county and though I don't currently live there I make at least 5 calls every single day. Someone in a position of authority hears by voice Mon-Friday. Your community could be doing so much more. I think you have a valid question: why is everyone so adversarial? From reading this thread and a few others, although not participating, it seems to me that your call to action is coming off as adversarial, divisive and abrasive. Which might be a good tactic or not. Your mileage may vary. Another possibility is no matter how sweetly this information is presented they would find a way to distract or outright ignore. |
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Post by Olan on Aug 28, 2018 17:29:35 GMT
I am bumping this thread so that the peas who argued with me about hate crime laws can see why legislation to criminalize racism is so important. May Mr. Miller and Lt. Collins Rest In Peace.
An update to the UofMD hate crime that left Lt. Richard Collins III dead before he could begin his military career
wtop.com/prince-georges-county/2018/07/separate-trials-sought-in-umd-murder-hate-case/
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Post by Olan on Mar 19, 2021 14:22:36 GMT
You won't be able to lie and say you had no clue what was going on. Call me bitter. Call me angry. Assume I hate all white people. Just don't deny what is happening to black people in 2017. When was the last time a black person killed someone because of their skin tone? |
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