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Post by Olan on Jul 14, 2017 18:26:47 GMT
University of Maryland Stabbing
Anne Arundel County may as well begin describing itself as the hotbed for white male terrorism. Justice system fails again. Baltimore Man
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Check out the vitriol in these responses. Everyone loved to ask me “why are you so mad” but who was really mad though 😏And what was the intent behind their responses? These threads serve to preserve the energy surrounding race relations. Some of you should be ashamed though I know you are just as indignant today as you were in 2017. May it forever be your legacy.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 14, 2017 18:40:07 GMT
Hopefully the assailant will receive life in prison without parole - I wouldn't call that a failure. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 14, 2017 18:46:04 GMT
The conclusion of the case hasn't happened yet but the fact that he isn't being charged with a hate crime is the start of a failure. I'm sure the victims family would agree. I'm sure I don't have to get into the history of why Hate Crime legislative stuff came to be but if this crime doesn't fit the bill I don't know what does. Hate Crime Law |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 15, 2017 0:24:40 GMT
The prosecution stated that they did not have enough evidence today, for it to be a hate crime; however they were still investigating.
Life in prison would be nice.
"While Alsobrooks said there is insufficient evidence that Collins was killed because of his race, her office will continue to investigate the motive. Hate crime charges may come later.
"After we have reviewed all the devices in the case we will look at the statute to determine whether or not the facts as we find them meet the hate crime elements, and so far, based on what we have, we have to continue to investigate. We didn't have enough today," she said."
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Post by Olan on Jul 15, 2017 0:29:31 GMT
The prosecution stated that they did not have enough evidence today, for it to be a hate crime; however they were still investigating. Life in prison would be nice. "While Alsobrooks said there is insufficient evidence that Collins was killed because of his race, her office will continue to investigate the motive. Hate crime charges may come later. "After we have reviewed all the devices in the case we will look at the statute to determine whether or not the facts as we find them meet the hate crime elements, and so far, based on what we have, we have to continue to investigate. We didn't have enough today," she said." Do you believe Collins was killed because he was black? |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 15, 2017 14:53:53 GMT
The prosecution stated that they did not have enough evidence today, for it to be a hate crime; however they were still investigating. Life in prison would be nice. "While Alsobrooks said there is insufficient evidence that Collins was killed because of his race, her office will continue to investigate the motive. Hate crime charges may come later. "After we have reviewed all the devices in the case we will look at the statute to determine whether or not the facts as we find them meet the hate crime elements, and so far, based on what we have, we have to continue to investigate. We didn't have enough today," she said." Do you believe Collins was killed because he was black? But it doesn't matter to the prosecution what anyone believes - it's what can be proven in a court of law. To answer your question, yes, based on the information available in the press, the assailant is a racist asshole who killed with no provocation- so race is the obvious answer. But, my armchair opinion means nothing in a court of law. I'm still hopeful justice will be done and he will be convicted of first degree murder and spend his life behind bars. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 15, 2017 19:35:18 GMT
Do you believe Collins was killed because he was black? But it doesn't matter to the prosecution what anyone believes - it's what can be proven in a court of law. To answer your question, yes, based on the information available in the press, the assailant is a racist asshole who killed with no provocation- so race is the obvious answer. But, my armchair opinion means nothing in a court of law. I'm still hopeful justice will be done and he will be convicted of first degree murder and spend his life behind bars. A lot of these cases are decided by juries. He can't be convicted if he is never charged. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 15, 2017 20:30:23 GMT
The prosecution stated that they did not have enough evidence today, for it to be a hate crime; however they were still investigating. Life in prison would be nice. "While Alsobrooks said there is insufficient evidence that Collins was killed because of his race, her office will continue to investigate the motive. Hate crime charges may come later. "After we have reviewed all the devices in the case we will look at the statute to determine whether or not the facts as we find them meet the hate crime elements, and so far, based on what we have, we have to continue to investigate. We didn't have enough today," she said." Do you believe Collins was killed because he was black? Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what I believe, it matters what the prosecutor can prove. If she were to go in to court with it being a hate crime, without evidence, the risk is that he roams free or gets a lesser sentence. I do hope they find what they need to prove it was. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 15, 2017 20:33:38 GMT
But it doesn't matter to the prosecution what anyone believes - it's what can be proven in a court of law. To answer your question, yes, based on the information available in the press, the assailant is a racist asshole who killed with no provocation- so race is the obvious answer. But, my armchair opinion means nothing in a court of law. I'm still hopeful justice will be done and he will be convicted of first degree murder and spend his life behind bars. A lot of these cases are decided by juries. He can't be convicted if he is never charged. According to the article you posted, the prosecutor has not given up on it being a hate crime, and has stated that when they find what they need to be able to prove it, they are ill add that charge. So...it does not seem like a forgone conclusion right now. I probably would not want to go to court hoping something would stick vs having evidence. |
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 15, 2017 20:48:45 GMT
The justice system has NOT failed. Urbanski is being charged with murder, and the punishment to be pursued is life without parole. How is that a failure? Would you prefer he be charged with a "hate crime", a charge that carry lesser/differing sentencing restrictions, and that may potentially muddy the original murder charge? SaveSave |
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Post by Olan on Jul 15, 2017 23:18:29 GMT
The justice system has NOT failed. Urbanski is being charged with murder, and the punishment to be pursued is life without parole. How is that a failure? Would you prefer he be charged with a "hate crime", a charge that carry lesser/differing sentencing restrictions, and that may potentially muddy the original murder charge? SaveSaveIs that how the law works? If in the course of a robbery I kill someone are you suggesting the just thing to do would be to totally disregard the robbery charge because it will muddy (interesting choice of words) the murder charge? Do you understand why hate crime laws were put in place? Between Reconstruction and WWll over 4,000 black people were lynched across 20 states. White people have proven themselves capable of some pretty horrific things so these laws were made...you know as sort of a slap on the wrists for all those black lives taken. To keep black people out of trees if you will. Would anyone like to guess how many men went to jail or lynching black people? So yes the justice system is failing if Urbanski can kill a man like Collins and only be charged with murder. Maybe if hate crime laws were actually put to the test we wouldn't see whiny men like him test the limits of society. Urbanski's schoolmates congratulated him on carrying out the killing of an innocent black man on social media. They used the word nigger and basically high-fived him. Why? Because society is telling them this is okay. One of his classmates actually worked for the local police department. Not too far down the road you'll find this white man who believes race mixing means he should drive a 26in sword into a homeless man. One of the five noose stories are from this community as well. In another thread someone suggested I turn my bitterness into a volunteer opportunity. Can any of you see the social responsibility you have in all of this? I offered a Maryland pea very hard to come by tickets to the Smithsonian Museum of African American History and Culture. Do you think she followed through and actually visited? Nope! I've said this before and I will continue to say it now is the time for you to do something. Anything. Lengthy Read-Confronting The Legacy of Racial Terror
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 16, 2017 11:25:48 GMT
I'm going to regret this, I know.  "Is that how the law works?" Yes. "If in the course of a robbery I kill someone are you suggesting the just thing to do would be to totally disregard the robbery charge because it will muddy (interesting choice of words) the murder charge?" Not the same thing, however, to compare to this issue - the robbery charge is not being ignored but rather tabled until further evidence can be established. The murder charge is the greater charge, and has the arguable evidence. "muddy (interesting choice of words)" - what the actual fuck are you talking about here? "Do you understand why hate crime laws were put in place?" Yes, I do. ]Between Reconstruction and WWll over 4,000 black people were lynched across 20 states. White people have proven themselves capable of some pretty horrific things so these laws were made...you know as sort of a slap on the wrists for all those black lives taken. To keep black people out of trees if you will. Would anyone like to guess how many men went to jail or lynching black people? So yes the justice system is failing if Urbanski can kill a man like Collins and only be charged with murder. Maybe if hate crime laws were actually put to the test we wouldn't see whiny men like him test the limits of society." While I can appreciate your background here, none of this is germain to the legal topic at hand. "Would anyone like to guess how many men went to jail or lynching black people" None. Zero. Zip. No doubt the hate crime aspect is still on the table, and will be used/employed when and if necessary to either strengthen or advance the charges. However, as it stands, yes the system is working. A white racist dude is being prosecuted for murdering a black man, instead of just being ignored or facing reduced charges. We've come a long way, baby. SaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 11:28:16 GMT
You won't be able to lie and say you had no clue what was going on. Call me bitter. Call me angry. Assume I hate all white people. Just don't deny what is happening to black people in 2017. When was the last time a black person killed someone because of their skin tone?
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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 11:31:31 GMT
I'm going to regret this, I know. "Is that how the law works?" Yes. "If in the course of a robbery I kill someone are you suggesting the just thing to do would be to totally disregard the robbery charge because it will muddy (interesting choice of words) the murder charge?" Not the same thing, however, to compare to this issue - the robbery charge is not being ignored but rather tabled until further evidence can be established. The murder charge is the greater charge, and has the arguable evidence. "muddy (interesting choice of words)" - what the actual fuck are you talking about here? "Do you understand why hate crime laws were put in place?" Yes, I do. ]Between Reconstruction and WWll over 4,000 black people were lynched across 20 states. White people have proven themselves capable of some pretty horrific things so these laws were made...you know as sort of a slap on the wrists for all those black lives taken. To keep black people out of trees if you will. Would anyone like to guess how many men went to jail or lynching black people? So yes the justice system is failing if Urbanski can kill a man like Collins and only be charged with murder. Maybe if hate crime laws were actually put to the test we wouldn't see whiny men like him test the limits of society." While I can appreciate your background here, none of this is germain to the legal topic at hand. "Would anyone like to guess how many men went to jail or lynching black people" None. Zero. Zip. No doubt the hate crime aspect is still on the table, and will be used/employed when and if necessary to either strengthen or advance the charges. However, as it stands, yes the system is working. A white racist dude is being prosecuted for murdering a black man, instead of just being ignored or facing reduced charges. We've come a long way, baby. SaveSaveSaveSaveYou tried. In order to claim progress Collins would need to be alive and well. He would be serving this country. Click those links to see just how far you've got to go. This is not the time for white people to be patting themselves on the back. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 11:33:59 GMT
Do you believe Collins was killed because he was black? Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what I believe, it matters what the prosecutor can prove. If she were to go in to court with it being a hate crime, without evidence, the risk is that he roams free or gets a lesser sentence. I do hope they find what they need to prove it was. Did you click the links to see what evidence might already be available? |
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Post by cindosha on Jul 16, 2017 11:35:35 GMT
You won't be able to lie and say you had no clue what was going on. Call me bitter. Call me angry. Assume I hate all white people. Just don't deny what is happening to black people in 2017. When was the last time a black person killed someone because of their skin tone?
Did you really just ask that question?
Because WOW!!
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Post by lindas on Jul 16, 2017 11:37:45 GMT
You won't be able to lie and say you had no clue what was going on. Call me bitter. Call me angry. Assume I hate all white people. Just don't deny what is happening to black people in 2017. When was the last time a black person killed someone because of their skin tone? April 17, 2017. link |
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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 11:40:26 GMT
You won't be able to lie and say you had no clue what was going on. Call me bitter. Call me angry. Assume I hate all white people. Just don't deny what is happening to black people in 2017. When was the last time a black person killed someone because of their skin tone? Did you really just ask that question? Because WOW!! I did just ask that question. Are you working on an answer? When was the last time a black kid walked into a church and killed 9 white people? When was the last time a black kid left Baltimore with the plan to randomly kill white people? When was the last time a white teenager was killed by a LEO with a history of PTSD and putting guns to the heads of citizens? When was the last time white men were labeled super predators? Are there any cell phone videos of Black people yelling racial slurs at anyone? |
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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 11:44:09 GMT
You won't be able to lie and say you had no clue what was going on. Call me bitter. Call me angry. Assume I hate all white people. Just don't deny what is happening to black people in 2017. When was the last time a black person killed someone because of their skin tone? April 17, 2017. linkGreat job Linda. Now imagine all the really horrific things that have happened to black people at the hands of white people. Okay open your eyes! Now aren't you shocked that there haven't been many many more instances of racial violence on the part of black people. You could pull up 20 links and it still wouldn't reach the levels of racial violence white people have authored. You do know the history of America right? |
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 16, 2017 11:56:26 GMT
I'm going to regret this, I know. "Is that how the law works?" Yes. "If in the course of a robbery I kill someone are you suggesting the just thing to do would be to totally disregard the robbery charge because it will muddy (interesting choice of words) the murder charge?" Not the same thing, however, to compare to this issue - the robbery charge is not being ignored but rather tabled until further evidence can be established. The murder charge is the greater charge, and has the arguable evidence. "muddy (interesting choice of words)" - what the actual fuck are you talking about here? "Do you understand why hate crime laws were put in place?" Yes, I do. ]Between Reconstruction and WWll over 4,000 black people were lynched across 20 states. White people have proven themselves capable of some pretty horrific things so these laws were made...you know as sort of a slap on the wrists for all those black lives taken. To keep black people out of trees if you will. Would anyone like to guess how many men went to jail or lynching black people? So yes the justice system is failing if Urbanski can kill a man like Collins and only be charged with murder. Maybe if hate crime laws were actually put to the test we wouldn't see whiny men like him test the limits of society." While I can appreciate your background here, none of this is germain to the legal topic at hand. "Would anyone like to guess how many men went to jail or lynching black people" None. Zero. Zip. No doubt the hate crime aspect is still on the table, and will be used/employed when and if necessary to either strengthen or advance the charges. However, as it stands, yes the system is working. A white racist dude is being prosecuted for murdering a black man, instead of just being ignored or facing reduced charges. We've come a long way, baby. SaveSaveSaveSaveYou tried. In order to claim progress Collins would need to be alive and well. He would be serving this country. Click those links to see just how far you've got to go. This is not the time for white people to be patting themselves on the back. No one is patting themselves on the back. I have clicked on the links, thanks. Why would you presume that I am approaching you for discussion if I haven't read the information you've provided? Now, let's have a discussion, not a scattershot blast of random accusations and diversions. SaveSave |
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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 12:03:44 GMT
You tried. In order to claim progress Collins would need to be alive and well. He would be serving this country. Click those links to see just how far you've got to go. This is not the time for white people to be patting themselves on the back. No one is patting themselves on the back. I have clicked on the links, thanks. Why would you presume that I am approaching you for discussion if I haven't read the information you've provided? Now, let's have a discussion, not a scattershot blast of random accusations and diversions. SaveSaveI assumed you didn't click the links because your attitude seems to be one of pride at the progress white people have made in being better people. Scattershot blast of accusations and diversions? Is that what this is? I thought this was a thread where I said damn he should be charged with a hate crime and the everyone else is all like nooooo "Olan this is progress" or playing armchair prosecutor suggesting that adding a hate crime charge would "muddy" the proceedings. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 12:07:36 GMT
Click anything blue. Read for 10-15. Reflect. What does your social responsibility suggest you do? kibblesandbits |
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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 13:35:31 GMT
Scattershot blasts and diversions.
See what she has done here?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 16, 2017 19:24:02 GMT
No one is patting themselves on the back. I have clicked on the links, thanks. Why would you presume that I am approaching you for discussion if I haven't read the information you've provided? Now, let's have a discussion, not a scattershot blast of random accusations and diversions. SaveSaveI assumed you didn't click the links because your attitude seems to be one of pride at the progress white people have made in being better people. Scattershot blast of accusations and diversions? Is that what this is? I thought this was a thread where I said damn he should be charged with a hate crime and the everyone else is all like nooooo "Olan this is progress" or playing armchair prosecutor suggesting that adding a hate crime charge would "muddy" the proceedings. And this post of yours is just not true. Not everyone is saying no--shoot--your own title and links are not even saying the same thing. The prosecution is stating that they have not reviewed everything yet--and that hate crime may be added later with the evidence that they are reviewing. Your title flat out states no hate crime charges, which is not really what they have said. Context or the complete statements. And again, it does not matter what I think the evidence is, it's what they can prove! Also, with saying it's progress is NOT dismissing anything else, it's a statement *in addition to* what has been mentioned. Yes, you blast out with insulting statements and judgements that (whites) are "patting themselves on the back" or """ooohhoo Olan...looky looky..". and no one here has said that they don't think a hate crime is warranted, they are following what the prosecutor is saying. Facts and evidence are important TO MAKE THE CHARGES STICK. You need to pay attention to what people are actually saying, instead of continually inserting your preconceived assumptions into the convo. You're not doing yourself any favors here. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 17, 2017 10:21:11 GMT
With all the information available if he hasn't been charged with a hate crime yet my guess is it's unlikely. I read the article and saw that it said there might be new charges levied once more investigation has occurred why you think that makes my title false is something you can resolve with yourself. At this moment a miscarriage of justice is happening. A strong message needs to be sent that killing black people is still not right. This community has a lot of issues with race relations including producing two men capable of murder. If I think it's a shame Collins is dead and you tell me "hey at least someone was arrested and charged with murder" and then argue that a hate crime charge would just muddy things are we really supposed to call that progesss. Yes or no? You guys want me to be wrong so badly that you illustrate exactly what's wrong with America. Another great read www.thenation.com/article/function-black-rage/For those who just think I am a black woman who just can't let a white woman be right have you considered what the world would look like if you were right and I was wrong? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 17, 2017 10:34:42 GMT
With all the information available if he hasn't been charged with a hate crime yet my guess is it's unlikely. I read the article and saw that it said there might be new charges levied once more investigation has occurred why you think that makes my title false is something you can resolve with yourself. At this moment a miscarriage of justice is happening. A strong message needs to be sent that killing black people is still not right. This community has a lot of issues with race relations including producing two men capable of murder. If I think it's a shame Collins is dead and you tell me "hey at least someone was arrested and charged with murder" and then argue that a hate crime charge would just muddy things are we really supposed to call that progesss. Yes or no? You guys want me to be wrong so badly that you illustrate exactly what's wrong with America. Another great read www.thenation.com/article/function-black-rage/For those who just think I am a black woman who just can't let a white woman be right have you considered what the world would look like if you were right and I was wrong? No one here is trying to prove you wrong. That's all in your head and you need to reconcile that with yourself. No one here has said that killing black people is a-okay either. The poster who said "muddy the waters" is not meaning what you are implying/assigning a new meaning to. You are trying so hard to find fault with every single word others typed here, that you miss what people are saying completely. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 17, 2017 11:06:17 GMT
With all the information available if he hasn't been charged with a hate crime yet my guess is it's unlikely. I read the article and saw that it said there might be new charges levied once more investigation has occurred why you think that makes my title false is something you can resolve with yourself. At this moment a miscarriage of justice is happening. A strong message needs to be sent that killing black people is still not right. This community has a lot of issues with race relations including producing two men capable of murder. If I think it's a shame Collins is dead and you tell me "hey at least someone was arrested and charged with murder" and then argue that a hate crime charge would just muddy things are we really supposed to call that progesss. Yes or no? You guys want me to be wrong so badly that you illustrate exactly what's wrong with America. Another great read www.thenation.com/article/function-black-rage/For those who just think I am a black woman who just can't let a white woman be right have you considered what the world would look like if you were right and I was wrong? No one here is trying to prove you wrong. That's all in your head and you need to reconcile that with yourself. No one here has said that killing black people is a-okay either. The poster who said "muddy the waters" is not meaning what you are implying/assigning a new meaning to. You are trying so hard to find fault with every single word others typed here, that you miss what people are saying completely. If no one is trying to prove me wrong then what is everyone trying to do here? Hahaha Have you read the responses to me? So it's all in my head. Someone said I was a crazy bitch who couldn't let white women be right or have the last word. When I asked what would happen if I was wrong about every news article or think piece I posted. No one replied of course. I am finding fault with someone disagreeing with me when I say Urbanski not being charged with a hate crime is a miscarriage of justice. Or someone prompting me to see the "progress" in this case. All of which happened in this very short thread How do you know what I am implying about her word usage? "They muddy the water and tell you it's deep. |
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Post by elaine on Jul 17, 2017 11:58:02 GMT
I, personally, absolutely believe Urbanski committed a hate crime. I will continue to hope that they are able to find enough credible and tangible evidence to be able to bring a hate crime charge in the case.
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Post by elaine on Jul 17, 2017 11:58:33 GMT
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Post by Olan on Jul 17, 2017 12:04:51 GMT
They muddy the water, to make it seem deep.” Friedrich Nietzsche The poster who said "muddy the waters" is not meaning what you are implying/assigning a new meaning to. |
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