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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 16:36:28 GMT
I've come to the conclusion that Olan is a troll. She's not looking for discussion. She brings up a controversial subject and makes statements intended to rile up the peas and succeeds. Then acts the victim with increasingly erratic posts and links that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. I can read for a while, but then it just gets too ridiculous even for me. I'm absolutely looking for discussion. No one provides it. Instead you call me racist and angry and never dispute what I'm actually posting about. How could anyone deny what I'm saying without reading the articles that I post.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 16, 2017 16:37:36 GMT
I don't think it's what the OP is talking about, but I'll say that I don't really believe in forgiveness. I think it's often trite at best and at worst a way for people to gloss over bad behavior. But on the same token, I don't believe in letting people take up residence in my head for free. I've always liked that cliche. You can't control other people and you certainly can't rewrite history. There are people in my life who I will never forgive. But I don't spend my time and energy thinking about them, interacting with them or otherwise letting them influence my life.
As another aside, as I fully acknowledge my comments on forgiveness have nothing to do with black anger, I would highly suggest the author of that piece leave that relationship. The other cliche I hear and hate is "love is hard". No it's not. A significant other whose racism causes such anger and resentment is really not healthy.
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Post by zookeeper on Jul 16, 2017 16:38:55 GMT
Then why are you liking threads of mine from 2015? That had nothing to do with racism. Do you have a reason other than being crazy? Crickets...
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 16, 2017 16:41:39 GMT
i figured Olan was ramping up she periodically goes thru my post history and "likes" comments to add her spreadsheet she's become adept at ignoring me - i figured she finally put me on ignore until i woke up to a notification that she was stalking my replies again happens every couple weeks i get more notifications from Olan than anyone else! gina Oh that's weird...I wondered about the "liking" of my posts--a few weeks ago she did the same--there was a flood of likes by her on my posts and I got the notifications and I was like wth??? I didn't know what was going on. As for the convo here/thread, I don't think she really wants convo. I think her responses to posters her are just itching to jump all over people. I think she is raging (and her prerogative) and waiting to bait responses so that she can unleash on anyone for trying to feel anything or offer any inkling of support.
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Post by zookeeper on Jul 16, 2017 16:42:07 GMT
I'm absolutely looking for discussion. No....you want to lecture.
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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 16:43:32 GMT
So if you know my intentions are don't want to be baited may I ask that you limit your interactions with me and remove yourself from my threads full stop. It prevents the dialogue I am trying to have. You don't need to come back and tell me what you feel about me. I live as a black woman every single day. Message received.
I'm telling you I am here for dialogue and you insist that I am not. I concede and ask that the dialogue between you and I stop. Cut your notifications off if you don't want to see when I like some questionable comment you made in 2017. No worries I'm not saving it to use against you, I'm bookmarking the spot so my sister and I can go over again why I was a pea for as many years as I was.
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Post by imsirius on Jul 16, 2017 16:49:25 GMT
Then why are you even here?
Just proves many people's points that you are just here to create shit. If you have no hope for the peas, then why bother even belonging here?
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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 16:51:27 GMT
Then why are you even here? Just proves many people's points that you are just here to create shit. If you have no hope for the peas, then why bother even belonging here? Because the peas won't rid of me and the issues they'd like to avoid that easily. I'll continue to post because I am freeborn.
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Post by imsirius on Jul 16, 2017 16:53:10 GMT
Then why are you even here? Just proves many people's points that you are just here to create shit. If you have no hope for the peas, then why bother even belonging here? Because the peas won't rid of me and the issues they'd like to avoid that easily. I'll continue to post because I am freeborn. Translation: Because I want to prove myself right and no white woman will tell me otherwise.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 16, 2017 16:54:28 GMT
I've come to the conclusion that Olan is a troll. She's not looking for discussion. She brings up a controversial subject and makes statements intended to rile up the peas and succeeds. Then acts the victim with increasingly erratic posts and links that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. I can read for a while, but then it just gets too ridiculous even for me. I'm absolutely looking for discussion. No one provides it. Instead you call me racist and angry and never dispute what I'm actually posting about. How could anyone deny what I'm saying without reading the articles that I post. Uh, no, I called you a troll. Pasting links not related or addressing the actual discussion on hand is not a "discussion." You formulating an actual response to various posts is a discussion. I'm impressed that after 3 separate threads, the majority of peas have attempted to discuss the matter at hand. You however are a broken record of links and deflecting any attempt to actually engage in a discussion. You're a troll, you should own it.
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Post by zookeeper on Jul 16, 2017 16:56:43 GMT
'm telling you I am here for dialogue and you insist that I am not. I concede and ask that the dialogue between you and I stop. Then why are YOU going back to find threads that I posted in 2015 to like it. You are one crazy bitch.
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Post by imsirius on Jul 16, 2017 16:58:52 GMT
She tells everyone to call her out and then gaslights and deflects.
It's not worth responding.
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Post by zookeeper on Jul 16, 2017 17:00:12 GMT
My thread from 2015Just for full disclosure for everyone....I received a notification from Olan yesterday that she liked the above thread from 2015. Yes...the woman is batshit crazy. She is the antagonizer and I think that everyone here knows this....except for Olan of course.
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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 17:09:49 GMT
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Post by ginacivey on Jul 16, 2017 17:11:57 GMT
It prevents the dialogue I am trying to have. who are you having dialogue with? i haven't seen a shred of actual dialogue gina
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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 17:19:31 GMT
On a societal level, this public spectacle of forgiveness is complete and utter bullshit. But white people eat it up. Our forgiveness reassures them that Black people still know their place in this country; it eases their minds, reassures them that nothing has to change, that they don’t have to upset their carefully crafted, artfully curated, violently maintained societal advantages. Black forgiveness sends the message that white people are still on top. On a personal level, we are told that forgiveness is a tool for healing—that it will help us through our pain. That is a confusing message to me. Forgiveness, to me, means recognizing that the pain has dissipated. I can’t recognize that when the wound is still fresh, and being reopened all the time. We are told that forgiveness will help us with our anger, that it will keep our rage from destroying us. This doesn’t make sense to me either. My anger fuels me. Almost every positive change I’ve made in my life has been because something bothered me enough to want to do something about it. If I forgave the people and situations that outraged me, I am not sure I’d be motivated enough to change it. Change often means destroying the old, and I wouldn’t destroy something I found acceptable. We are told that forgiveness allows us to move forward. This, too, is not true. One of the few constants is that life goes on, regardless of what tragedies we face. Time is what allows us to move forward—indeed, it means that moving forward is something we can’t avoid. Forgiveness is not required for progress. We are told that forgiveness is personal. If the act of forgiveness is personal, why does it need to be shared publicly? People ask for forgiveness. They demand forgiveness. If forgiveness is personal, something I should do for myself, then you don’t need it and you don’t get to ask for it. That you are seeking it tells me that it’s a tool for you, not me. We are told that forgiveness and anger aren’t mutually exclusive, that we can be angry and still forgive someone. I don’t know what definition of “forgiveness” people are using for that one, but for me, anger is something that demands change, while forgiveness means accepting things as they are. Forgiveness is complacency. I cannot be outraged by you and forgiving of you at the same time. Either I’m angry and we’re going to work on improving the situation or I’ve decided to accept your bullshit. It’s not both. It’s never both. Forgiveness requires that I lie to myself; I choose to live my truth. It demands I rot inside; I opt to continue my growth. It expects me to swallow my anger and suppress my pain; I express my rage and refine my voice. It requires that I choke on my discomfort to appease you; I allow you to choke on your discomfort and exit, unappeased. I do not forgive—and please, if I wrong you, I don’t want you to forgive me either. I want nothing to do with a tool designed to quiet the mistreated, to manipulate them, to deny them humanity. I do not seek your complacency. I do not want you to tell me shit is fine when it isn’t. I do not want you to hide yourself, lie to yourself, deny yourself. I do not want you to cull your emotions, quell your anger, or gut your pain to meet forgiveness’ demands. I do not want to keep you still, silent, and part of the status quo. I want us to be free. OMG - this says it all - regarding my marriage/soon to be divorce. Thank you for writing this. The author is in an interracial marriage that she writes about a lot. I don't think she's managed to end it yet. Wishing you all the best as you navigate through divorce.
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Post by cindytred on Jul 16, 2017 17:48:01 GMT
OP - I deleted my post about how the quoted words said it all regarding my failed marriage. I love how it describes what forgiveness is and isn't. I read your original post and replied before I read all of the discussion that followed in the thread. Then I was embarrassed how stupid my post sounded in regard to the discussion about racism.
I've been a member of 2Peas since 2004. I do not read the political threads. I can't think of a single time that the other threads alluded to racism.
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Post by Olan on Jul 16, 2017 18:00:03 GMT
OP - I deleted my post about how the quoted words said it all regarding my failed marriage. I love how it describes what forgiveness is and isn't. I read your original post and replied before I read all of the discussion that followed in the thread. Then I was embarrassed how stupid my post sounded in regard to the discussion about racism.
I've been a member of 2Peas since 2004. I do not read the political threads. I can't think of a single time that the other threads alluded to racism.
No need to feel stupid. You took from the article what was helpful to you. I've been a member since about 2006-2007 and while there weren't many threads specifically about race I've noticed the racial undertones in some threads. My "political" style of posting didn't begin until after the election so that was a lot of years of just sharing recipes and beauty tips with you guys. Just as women often do a pea questioned my participation in this community the second I posted about a issue related to race. I remember feeling incredibly hurt and saddened. I even cried though to be fair two black men had been killed within 48 hours of each other in police shootings.
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 16, 2017 18:12:21 GMT
We are told that forgiveness allows us to move forward. This, too, is not true. One of the few constants is that life goes on, regardless of what tragedies we face. Time is what allows us to move forward—indeed, it means that moving forward is something we can’t avoid. Forgiveness is not required for progress. I agree, but you won't believe me. But white people eat it up
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Post by cindosha on Jul 16, 2017 18:17:54 GMT
I've come to the conclusion that Olan is a troll. She's not looking for discussion. She brings up a controversial subject and makes statements intended to rile up the peas and succeeds. Then acts the victim with increasingly erratic posts and links that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. I can read for a while, but then it just gets too ridiculous even for me. I'm absolutely looking for discussion. No one provides it. Instead you call me racist and angry and never dispute what I'm actually posting about. How could anyone deny what I'm saying without reading the articles that I post. Olan, I think it's you calling everyone else racist. I'm white and I am NOT A RACIST. And to call me a racist simply because I'm white doesn't fly with me. And I dislike the insinuation. You don't know me or anyone else on this board personally. To lump all white people under one category is stupid. Quit acting the victim and put your anger and energy toward having some fun and peace in your life.
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Post by Pahina722 on Jul 16, 2017 18:32:44 GMT
Perhaps because of my teaching experience, I get where Olan is coming from. I may not appreciate her delivery, but I somewhat understand what is motivating it.
I began teaching African-American Lit a few years ago without much thinking about how my students would perceive it (under the same idea that I'm not a sixteenth century Brit or an Ancient Greek, yet I can teach Shakespeare and Greek mythology). What I quickly learned was that my students, black-white-mixed, were going to teach me the reality of living in our racially charged world while I was teaching about the literature born of those experiences. Because we live in a Navy town, many of my students are veterans or dependents who have lived overseas and almost universally speak of how much more racist behaviors they encounter here in the States than they did in overseas postings. I've never been pulled over for DWB (driving while black) or had security trail me as soon as I enter a store. I don't know what it's like to have my family berate me for "being an Oreo" because I talk 'white' and want a college education, nor have I gotten the side-eye from strangers because my husband and I aren't the same race. They have. They know the pain, and in my class they have a space where they can express it and share it with others who have had similar experiences--as well as enlighten those of us who haven't.
I still get the questioning looks from my students on the first day of class--and the fact that I do indicates the divide between the white and black experience in America. All I can do is listen, ask questions, encourage sharing, and try to grow better. I THINK that's what Olan is after.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 16, 2017 18:33:27 GMT
So if you know my intentions are don't want to be baited may I ask that you limit your interactions with me and remove yourself from my threads full stop. It prevents the dialogue I am trying to have. You don't need to come back and tell me what you feel about me. I live as a black woman every single day. Message received. I'm telling you I am here for dialogue and you insist that I am not. I concede and ask that the dialogue between you and I stop. Cut your notifications off if you don't want to see when I like some questionable comment you made in 2017. No worries I'm not saving it to use against you, I'm bookmarking the spot so my sister and I can go over again why I was a pea for as many years as I was. My summation of you does not have anything to do with you being a black woman. It has to do with how you treat people who have been trying to show support or kindness. You rage all over them. I honestly have not seen ANYONE here as of late treat you like shit or respond to you poorly because you are black. It's all in the crappy persona you put forth here. I would never presume to act/think I know/tell you how to feel as a black woman, but you sure tell quite a few of us how to do, think, feel about it. You have so missed an opportunity here--to educate, share your story, seek conversation and have the connection with a vast group of women--because any time anyone posts anything, you've taken to rage on and tell them their thoughts, their story, their contributions to society (or even just this group) are always shortcomings, never enough, never good enough, bullshit, or that we are white. While members here have honestly tried to bond or connect with you in some way, you do everything in your being here to alienate them, push them away. You have no idea who any of us are and what we do within our own lives and community, yet you pass judgment with every post--something you claim to fight against in your own milieu. You don't read what peas are posting--you respond with your preconceived thoughts, clouding the issue. I (and reiterating what many have shared here over time) don't lump the poor behaviors of one race onto the entire race--but you do in your claims (see Sean Urbansky thread for just one example). I (again others here too) are appalled and rightly outraged and use our voices in our communities and voting to make wrongs not happen again. So very many of us are outraged that the sitting POTUS feeds into this reprehensible and disturbing behavior. In these threads, you've gotten support over the topics that you've posted--yet you continue to bash or twist what they are saying (or bait) those who do want to talk about it, again, a missed opportunity on your part to actually engage in thoughtful conversation. And I'm 100% certain that if someone told you to stop posting, reading threads, engaging--you'd go off on them for saying that--so if YOU cannot take the criticism or comments of fellow peas on how they view your posting style or your constant continued barrage of "white people suck/don't do enough/are assholes" then maybe you need to back off. I get it, you're angry, scary shit is happening that should not be in 2017, we're angry too, but I'll say this as nicely as I can--ease up on the rage for your fellow peas, we are not the enemy here.
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 16, 2017 18:39:27 GMT
Perhaps because of my teaching experience, I get where Olan is coming from. I may not appreciate her delivery, but I somewhat understand what is motivating it. I began teaching African-American Lit a few years ago without much thinking about how my students would perceive it (under the same idea that I'm not a sixteenth century Brit or an Ancient Greek, yet I can teach Shakespeare and Greek mythology). What I quickly learned was that my students, black-white-mixed, were going to teach me the reality of living in our racially charged world while I was teaching about the literature born of those experiences. Because we live in a Navy town, many of my students are veterans or dependents who have lived overseas and almost universally speak of how much more racist behaviors they encounter here in the States than they did in overseas postings. I've never been pulled over for DWB (driving while black) or had security trail me as soon as I enter a store. I don't know what it's like to have my family berate me for "being an Oreo" because I talk 'white' and want a college education, nor have I gotten the side-eye from strangers because my husband and I aren't the same race. They have. They know the pain, and in my class they have a space where they can express it and share it with others who have had similar experiences--as well as enlighten those of us who haven't. I still get the questioning looks from my students on the first day of class--and the fact that I do indicates the divide between the white and black experience in America. All I can do is listen, ask questions, encourage sharing, and try to grow better. I THINK that's what Olan is after. Thank you for sharing this - it's very insightful.
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Post by pierogi on Jul 16, 2017 18:43:38 GMT
This is a good article. I missed it when it happened. It touches on an intersectionality that's both obvious, but too often gets ignored. As for forgiveness, forgiving doesn't mean that the wrongs are erased or forgotten. Nor is it a get-out-of-jail-free card. True forgiveness is relief for the forgiver, not the person forgiven. But it's also not something that can ever be demanded of someone, let alone expected. I help mod a private support board for ex-combatants of a civil war, and forgiveness is a very touchy subject among the participants. Each member is in a different place when it comes to personal forgiveness, collective forgiveness, even forgiveness for themselves for actions they committed during the conflict, or mistakes that cost the lives of innocent people. It's a hard, hard road and I've spent many hours mulling over how one heals from violence, from constant dehumanization, including dehumanization underlined by government for years (centuries!), and enforced by both military and a corrupt police force. Even though there is peace now, those who suffered during those years - soldiers on both sides, civilians, even the children of the conflict - are left with varying degrees of constant panic, chronic depression, distrust of institutions, and hopelessness. I have no answers. I just listen. But I do think the attitude of "just get over it" to someone - ANYONE - who's experienced or experiencing pain isn't helpful, nor moves anyone forward. Likewise I do believe that apologies, sincere acknowledgement of wrongdoing has value, even if the person hearing it isn't ready to accept it.
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Post by Olan on Jul 20, 2017 11:35:42 GMT
This is a good article. I missed it when it happened. It touches on an intersectionality that's both obvious, but too often gets ignored. As for forgiveness, forgiving doesn't mean that the wrongs are erased or forgotten. Nor is it a get-out-of-jail-free card. True forgiveness is relief for the forgiver, not the person forgiven. But it's also not something that can ever be demanded of someone, let alone expected. I help mod a private support board for ex-combatants of a civil war, and forgiveness is a very touchy subject among the participants. Each member is in a different place when it comes to personal forgiveness, collective forgiveness, even forgiveness for themselves for actions they committed during the conflict, or mistakes that cost the lives of innocent people. It's a hard, hard road and I've spent many hours mulling over how one heals from violence, from constant dehumanization, including dehumanization underlined by government for years (centuries!), and enforced by both military and a corrupt police force. Even though there is peace now, those who suffered during those years - soldiers on both sides, civilians, even the children of the conflict - are left with varying degrees of constant panic, chronic depression, distrust of institutions, and hopelessness. I have no answers. I just listen. But I do think the attitude of "just get over it" to someone - ANYONE - who's experienced or experiencing pain isn't helpful, nor moves anyone forward. Likewise I do believe that apologies, sincere acknowledgement of wrongdoing has value, even if the person hearing it isn't ready to accept it. Not only is the attitude just get over it but no one wants to take responsiblity for the role that they play in all of this. Another attitude I find puzzling is the indignant angry one or the let me make this all about me. I think what I take the greatest offense to is responses like papercrafteradvocate. It's a mixture of lying and deflecting to avoid personal responsibility. If you put all the blame on me, the fact that you've ignored something you shouldn't have is somehow okay. It's a really sad excuse for inaction.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 20, 2017 11:50:14 GMT
Olan, I give up. Your tendency to paint all white people. As Borg, and to blame white women for Trump is ridiculous and frankly, makes people not want to have discussions with you. While it is true that many white women voted for him, many of us did not. You have every right to your anger, but your accusations make it impossible to have a frank discussion with you. You have very valid points about society and the need to support one another. But then you generalize and stick all whites in the same basket. You are not inspiring a lot of support.
Sock said, and she is right, that we don't get to tell POC how to feel.. I agree. But guess what? You do not get to lump us all together in some racist clump, either.
But good luck to you.
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Post by Olan on Jul 20, 2017 12:41:56 GMT
Olan, I give up. Your tendency to paint all white people. As Borg, and to blame white women for Trump is ridiculous and frankly, makes people not want to have discussions with you. While it is true that many white women voted for him, many of us did not. You have every right to your anger, but your accusations make it impossible to have a frank discussion with you. You have very valid points about society and the need to support one another. But then you generalize and stick all whites in the same basket. You are not inspiring a lot of support. Sock said, and she is right, that we don't get to tell POC how to feel.. I agree. But guess what? You do not get to lump us all together in some racist clump, either. But good luck to you. Molly I can again sense your frustration and would like to remind you I'm okay with us not engaging. You've said several times how done you are and how my bitterness prevents people from wanting to have dialogue yet here you are. While I disagree with you and am fairly confident judging by the interactions I have hear at twopeas that it absolutely isn't my presentation that precludes people from being moved to be better people I'm also okay if you are right and I am wrong. I would also like to point out the hypocrisy of you and many other peas being allowed to call me bitter, angry, bitch make assumptions about how I live my life, etc but when I do the same and challenge your racists ideas and "lump" you all into neat boxes somehow its unfair. If I'm a crazy bitch then she is a racist bitch. You see the leap? I tried. Based on your OP, I wanted to know what you want, since you were very clear on what you don't want. My take? You don't want a discussion; you want to lecture. You have every right to be angry, and I guess that if you want to stew about it and let it devour your life, then that is your business. But you should also understand that the tendency to lecture ad nauseum is also why fewer and fewer people are responding to you. And maybe you don't care. Well, then things are working out perfectly. Um, I did not mention the word forgiveness. So I am once again not sure what you mean. Do you have me confused with someone else? ETA-Re the word lecture, I suppose that is a matter of opinion. I feel that you are lecturing. You don't. As for the word bitter, that is the inference that I draw from your posts. Obviously you don't see it that way. I AM frustrated. I will agree with the need to be better. I would think that most people would. There is no way that society can ever really atone properly for the sin of slavery. I think that we all do have to do our part, questioning our assumptions and yes, privilege. We have to accept people as people rather than as labels. We should support each other. Beyond that, I do not have any ideas. But I am willing to listen. I am frustrated because I don't have the answer. It probably extends to you only because you brought it up.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 20, 2017 12:58:50 GMT
Olan, I give up. Your tendency to paint all white people. As Borg, and to blame white women for Trump is ridiculous and frankly, makes people not want to have discussions with you. While it is true that many white women voted for him, many of us did not. You have every right to your anger, but your accusations make it impossible to have a frank discussion with you. You have very valid points about society and the need to support one another. But then you generalize and stick all whites in the same basket. You are not inspiring a lot of support. Sock said, and she is right, that we don't get to tell POC how to feel.. I agree. But guess what? You do not get to lump us all together in some racist clump, either. But good luck to you. Molly I can again sense your frustration and would like to remind you I'm okay with us not engaging. You've said several times how done you are and how my bitterness prevents people from wanting to have dialogue yet here you are. While I disagree with you and am fairly confident judging by the interactions I have hear at twopeas that it absolutely isn't my presentation that precludes people from being moved to be better people I'm also okay if you are right and I am wrong. I would also like to point out the hypocrisy of you and many other peas being allowed to call me bitter, angry, bitch make assumptions about how I live my life, etc but when I do the same and challenge your racists ideas and "lump" you all into neat boxes somehow its unfair. If I'm a crazy bitch then she is a racist bitch. You see the leap? I tried. Based on your OP, I wanted to know what you want, since you were very clear on what you don't want. My take? You don't want a discussion; you want to lecture. You have every right to be angry, and I guess that if you want to stew about it and let it devour your life, then that is your business. But you should also understand that the tendency to lecture ad nauseum is also why fewer and fewer people are responding to you. And maybe you don't care. Well, then things are working out perfectly. Um, I did not mention the word forgiveness. So I am once again not sure what you mean. Do you have me confused with someone else? ETA-Re the word lecture, I suppose that is a matter of opinion. I feel that you are lecturing. You don't. As for the word bitter, that is the inference that I draw from your posts. Obviously you don't see it that way. I AM frustrated. I will agree with the need to be better. I would think that most people would. There is no way that society can ever really atone properly for the sin of slavery. I think that we all do have to do our part, questioning our assumptions and yes, privilege. We have to accept people as people rather than as labels. We should support each other. Beyond that, I do not have any ideas. But I am willing to listen. I am frustrated because I don't have the answer. It probably extends to you only because you brought it up. No, I don't see it. People make inferences about other posters all of the time, based on their posts. It is one thing to make an inference about one poster,and quite another to make inferences about an entire group of people, most of whom have never even met. Do you see the difference? People reading my posts might surmise that I am opinionated, and have a big mouth. And they would be correct. Judging another group as a whole risks being not only inaccurate, but also risks having them decide that they really don't want to listen to you(General you.) But like you, I am ok without us interacting. I am sincere in wishing you luck.
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georgiapea
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Post by georgiapea on Jul 20, 2017 13:54:02 GMT
What are you doing to make things better in your personal life in regards to interactions with white women? Do you smile and say "Hi", as you pass them in the grocery isle? Do you engage them in conversation? Do you belong to groups or organizations with both white and black people? That's the way the world works, we engage on our own little level. The majority of people show an interest in and compassion for, all people.
Life is supposed to be about enjoyment. How much enjoyment are you having, dragging old racial baggage behind you? You are living in today's world. Embrace that all those things that are truly regretable, are behind you. Be an example for the youth growing up now. Show them that opportunities exist to make each generation better. Show them that education is the stepping stone to a good life. You have so much potential. Reach for it.
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