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Post by riley on Jul 23, 2017 21:25:02 GMT
I would imagine that many of the big name designers have received a complimentary Tonic platform or have bought one. I'm not seeing them using them in their videos. The only one I saw using one was Yana Smakula early on and her video ended up as one of the examples in the lawsuit. Why the hesitation-the lawsuit, loyalty to the other brand, don't like it, or fear of backlash or none of the above? Many of them are so quick to embrace any new TH product.
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Post by bigelow on Jul 27, 2017 15:06:31 GMT
Kat Scrappiness Avatar Jul 23, 2017 0:40:54 GMT -5 Kat Scrappiness said: I know what group you are referring to but i have to clarify something. Nothing and nobody is bashed in our group. To avoid that scenario we just banned all talk of the Misti whatsoever and everyone is much happier now. No drama, no arguments or insults. Just harmony I hope that helps clear up your perception of our group. Well no one is bashed in the group, because they are just banned or kicked out. There is plenty of drama as I recall. But, I would not know what it is like now since I was thrown from the Stamping Enabler group for absolutely nothing except linking to a site that was not one that the owner approved of. (Butterfly Reflections Ink - which is a great store, but apparently the group owner felt like her store was too much competition or something.) So, it may not be Misti related - but it is bullying just the same.
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Post by gale w on Jul 27, 2017 15:36:33 GMT
The guidelines clearly state that butterfly reflections Inc can't be linked or mentioned. I'm sure they have a good reason. I'm honestly surprised that, as a business, Kat not only allows every other stamping business to be linked (other than msp and bri), but also posts sales to other sites herself. That rarely happens in groups where the owner has a store. So I'm pretty sure the issue with butterfly reflections Inc is not because of competition.
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Post by bigelow on Jul 27, 2017 15:57:38 GMT
The guidelines clearly state that butterfly reflections Inc can't be linked or mentioned. I'm sure they have a good reason. I'm honestly surprised that, as a business, Kat not only allows every other stamping business to be linked (other than msp and bri), but also posts sales to other sites herself. That rarely happens in groups where the owner has a store. So I'm pretty sure the issue with butterfly reflections Inc is not because of competition.
Well, I was not aware of this rule at the time (it was a few years ago).
I could see not having links on the store site, that would make sense, but this FB group was allegedly not affiliated with anyone's store back then.
In fact, there was not much of a storefront then, just a lot of group buys. It soon became apparent that the group owner used that huge membership to further her own business.
At any rate, I was bullied, and so were plenty of other people on that board.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 16:45:06 GMT
You were not bullied, you were removed for breaking the rules. There is a huge difference. If you don't like the rules, don't join the group it's as simple as that. You can't go around playing a victim for not following our guidelines. I'm sorry you have such a bad taste in your mouth but there is no way to make everyone happy. Good thing ours is a free country where you can join and un-join groups right?
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Post by kraft4fun on Jul 27, 2017 16:53:52 GMT
Ignorance of the rules does not equate innocence. Not posting about BRI was a rule from day 1 of the group being formed back in 2015, right along with not linking/discussing the Misti. The group rules are in the pinned post and anyone wanting to be a member of any group should due their part of being a member by reading those rules as soon as they are admitted. Kat does an awesome job with the group and so glad to be a founding member.
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Post by bigelow on Jul 27, 2017 16:54:52 GMT
I was an original member of Misti Fans, and at that time, there was not any rule about Butterfly Reflections Ink. One day I posted a card, someone asked where the stamp came from, and I told them and the next thing I was gone. No other reason, no warning. I never saw this "rule." The rule came later.
I was bullied by several moderators when I asked to re-join.
The whole issue I have is that the Stamping Enablers was NOT supposed to be an extension of KatCrappiness store. But, when she thought she could make money off all these poor people who joined, she started adding rules. There was not any store front then. She was an ebay-er, but most sales were done as group buys and also on the other FB Group Scrappy Resale room.
I don't belong to any FB groups anymore because of the drama on all of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 16:58:02 GMT
I was an original member of Misti Fans, and at that time, there was not any rule about Butterfly Reflections Ink. One day I posted a card, someone asked where the stamp came from, and I told them and the next thing I was gone. No other reason, no warning. I never saw this "rule." The rule came later. I was bullied by several moderators when I asked to re-join. The whole issue I have is that the Stamping Enablers was NOT supposed to be an extension of KatCrappiness store. But, when she thought she could make money off all these poor people who joined, she started adding rules. There was not any store front then. She was an ebay-er, but most sales were done as group buys and also on the other FB Group Scrappy Resale room. I don't belong to any FB groups anymore because of the drama on all of them. Not being allowed to rejoin is NOT bullying. Get a grip please. You can bash me and my store all you want but we all know the truth, our group is drama free because of our rules. You can create drama anywhere you go as you are showing by this post alone.
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Post by bigelow on Jul 27, 2017 17:03:37 GMT
Being told I am ignorant of a rule that did not exist, is what exactly?
The rule was not there the first day. members of the BRI design team posted their stuff there all the time.
So, if we go by what the OP posted (not being able to talk about the MISTI) and what I posted (not being able to mention BRI-FOR NO REASON, and it wasn't even a rule then) how is it not bullying.
I've never bashed your store, or even you, to anyone. You are missing my point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 17:06:31 GMT
The rule has been there since the day it became stamping enablers. You yourself said you weren't aware of the rule, i didn't call you ignorant. It is your responsibility to read the rules and adhere to them when you join a group. And you are bashing me in your posts but that's okay, I can take it because I know the truth. Sorry I can't continue this conversation right now but I have to go to work. Have a great day!
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Post by elsiej on Jul 27, 2017 19:35:37 GMT
You were not bullied, you were removed for breaking the rules. There is a huge difference. If you don't like the rules, don't join the group it's as simple as that. You can't go around playing a victim for not following our guidelines. I'm sorry you have such a bad taste in your mouth but there is no way to make everyone happy. Good thing ours is a free country where you can join and un-join groups right? Well, Kat, I am quite certain that I did not name anything that was in the "rules", or go against your terms of use, but I am pretty certain that you removed me from your group because I stated clearly that I could not understand why you were promoting a clear and blatant copy/knockoff of a product, from India. Your posts were clearly directed at ruining MySweetPetunia and I asked why. I stated that I felt like you were bringing up MSP a lot, in a negative light, even after you would post about not wanting drama. It seemed like you were creating drama. It was a cycle with you, every 1-2 weeks or so, one of which I am quite certain still exists today on your group. And don't say it doesn't because I know it does. I was kind, clear, and definitely not mean or bullying to you or anyone else. But you chose not to answer well-stated, unoffensive, unthreatening questions with clearly stated no intention of disrespect or malice. I also came to the aid of another member who was always kind and generous with her beautiful creations that actually gave your page credibility. You attacked her, for asking questions that you apparently did not want answered. About where you get your products from and about why you said some of the things you say. It was then that I was booted from your group. And finally, Kat, I notice, for the most part, you always show up in a thread about the Misti. Here, there, many places. Why is that? You are not innocent in potstirring. I suspect you thrive on it. I also believe you have a personal vendetta against a couple manufacturers. I do often wonder about some things about your company too. I know others do too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 19:51:46 GMT
Like said nobody is bashed in our group, and you can ask the over 12,000 current members if there is drama. I suspect we wouldn't have such an awesome group if what you said were true. I have no idea who you are or what you are referring to but like I said earlier, I know the truth so you can bash me all you want. Won't bother me one bit. It is well known that I have haters from another group that is pro-misti, I suspect you are one of them. Good luck with all that hate. Have a crafty day!
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Post by bigelow on Jul 27, 2017 20:45:38 GMT
Like said nobody is bashed in our group, and you can ask the over 12,000 current members if there is drama. I suspect we wouldn't have such an awesome group if what you said were true. I have no idea who you are or what you are referring to but like I said earlier, I know the truth so you can bash me all you want. Won't bother me one bit. It is well known that I have haters from another group that is pro-misti, I suspect you are one of them. Good luck with all that hate. Have a crafty day! Oh, there is plenty of drama and there always has been.
Every few weeks there was a thread about "Poor me, someone told My Favorite Things about me and now I lost my account. "
"Oh, Poor me, someone told Amazon about my illegal affiliate link, etc."
I was there when you kicked Jennifer McGuire off because she supported the MISTI. (along with a whole bunch of other fabulous designers)
Nobody can talk about China dies or Ali Express because, guess where your exclusive dies come from? It seems you have a habit of kicking people off who do not agree with you.
Or question you.
Or have a different opinion on something.
Or for no reason at all.
Or calling out your dishonesty. (illegal Amazon affiliate link?) But that is not bullying, you are right. It's something else, but I cannot exactly say what.
Have a GREAT Crafty DAY!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 21:04:17 GMT
You have no idea what you are talking about. Jennifer is still a member and I've never been dishonest. My dies are not made by aliexpress, they are my designs. I will not get down in the dirt and roll around with you. I will have a great crafty day thanks
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Post by gale w on Jul 27, 2017 21:20:46 GMT
There's no drama there. Seriously. I'm there a lot of the day, off and on, and never see any. The reason aliexpress is not discussed is because of the huge amount of stolen designs they sell. Jennifer McGuire is a fairly active member.
Plenty of drama here though. LOL
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Post by bigelow on Jul 27, 2017 21:40:08 GMT
There's no drama there. Seriously. I'm there a lot of the day, off and on, and never see any. The reason aliexpress is not discussed is because of the huge amount of stolen designs they sell. Jennifer McGuire is a fairly active member. Plenty of drama here though. LOL Wait, it's not ok to talk about Ali Express because of stolen designs, but it's ok to talk about and promote the Stampoholic and the other knock offs? FTR, I know Jennifer was let back on, but she was kicked off. Many other designers were not. and yes, lots of drama today, sorry about that. i just hate it when a big bully comes on to a bully thread to say how bad bullying is. Sad!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 21:57:59 GMT
Jennifer is a friend of mine and was never kicked out of our group. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Post by gale w on Jul 27, 2017 22:19:39 GMT
I suspect you've never truly been bullied if you think Kat is a bully.
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Post by bigelow on Jul 27, 2017 22:27:58 GMT
Jennifer is a friend of mine and was never kicked out of our group. You have no idea what you are talking about. Well we have something in common. She is also my friend 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 22:46:17 GMT
Well that's nice to know. I suspect if we actually knew each other there wouldn't be so much animosity. It's easy to pre-judge someone when you don't know them and things can be easily misconstrued online, as I'm sure you know.
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Post by woodysbetty on Jul 28, 2017 10:57:04 GMT
Geesh, so sorry this happened to you. It seems such a silly thing for people to get the undies in a bundle about. ...That being said, I thank the powers that be every day that I don't have someone bashing me because I choose to use a Big Kick instead of a Cuttlebug or one of the other die cutting machines; or calling me a traitor because sometimes I prefer to use my Swingline paper cutter instead of the Tonic that I usually use. I work for a construction subcontractor - I can't imagine a general contractor getting pissy with subcontractors on a job because they don't use a particular brand of tools. We all just want to use whatever works best to accomplish the end result we want. Count me another one who is sorry this happened to you, and I'm blown away by the rabid fanaticism over the MISTI. A decent tool should speak for itself. If you have to silence the competition, that speaks volumes for the fact that it can't honestly compete on its own merits. I totally agree with Scrapnana!! I am also very sorry you were treated so badly.....cyberhug!!
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Post by destined2bmom on Jul 29, 2017 17:25:45 GMT
I am sorry that you have been treated so badly by your colleagues in your industry. I worded it that way because this is your job and you were only trying to do it. I can tell you that people in companies have made comments about products and usually are not bullied, threatened or fired for making those comments.
I do not own any of Iliana's products because I have seen her meanness, threats and horrific customer service on this board. I know which creative designers follow her 150%. It has left a taste in my mouth and I do not follow them as closely as I once did.
You know now that what is hot today, may be obsolete or forgotten in five years. So, do what you think is best.
Please feel welcome to come here and share your feelings.
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Post by gailoh on Jul 30, 2017 12:21:12 GMT
btt
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Post by scrapaddie on Jul 30, 2017 20:23:18 GMT
I am still amazed that a tool can cause so much emotion!! For and against! It's a tool and a good one. Use it or not, buy it or not! Now if you were talking about Jimmy Johns, I would get passionate... But the Misti?
One good thing about this discussion is that I did not realize that Kat is here!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 20:53:21 GMT
I am still amazed that a tool can cause so much emotion!! For and against! It's a tool and a good one. Use it or not, buy it or not! Now if you were talking about Jimmy Johns, I would get passionate... But the Misti? One good thing about this discussion is that I did not realize that Kat is here! Hi!
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Post by riley on Jul 30, 2017 21:27:29 GMT
Well there were a lot of little tempests in a teapot that converged and bubbled up into a larger than usual number of crafters being involved. The cracking issues-resolved or unresolved, the Bible verse-liked and disliked, the lawsuit-cheered or not, the delays on a new product, the copycats and the not so copycats, the prices, the customer service stories, and on and on. It had the makings of a bigger story in a hobby industry that would seem to be pretty mellow ordinarily. Somehow stories of injustices or perceived injustices started to emerge and it took off. I think it's going to continue to have legs until the outcome of the lawsuit is announced.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 31, 2017 4:11:08 GMT
There's no drama there. Seriously. I'm there a lot of the day, off and on, and never see any. The reason aliexpress is not discussed is because of the huge amount of stolen designs they sell. Jennifer McGuire is a fairly active member. Plenty of drama here though. LOL Not sure where some posters get the idea there is drama in the group? Not since we all had to move to the new group has there been drama. I also don't feel like I'm forced to order from Kats store either. This thread took a weird turn bashing Kat. Honestly, my take is the MISTI nazi did some pretty shitty things to Kat and she had enough and decided to give her the finger by endorsing another product. I don't blame her. Damn, it's Kats group and she can run it how she wants.
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Post by bigelow on Jul 31, 2017 15:00:56 GMT
Perhaps people have a different perception of what exactly constitutes drama.
IMO, the definition of drama is making a big deal over something unnecessarily. (not allowing any mention of a certain store or tool, without any reason given, and then you are banned if you ask about it)
But there is no shortage of hypocrites on the FB group. Creating a bogus rule not allowing people talk about AliExpress because of stolen designs, yet actively promoting the Stampoholic which is a stolen design = complete and utter hypocrisy.
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Post by gale w on Jul 31, 2017 17:29:44 GMT
People also have a different perception of what constitutes bullying and deleting someone's post isn't bullying in my opinion. As far as the stampoholic, I admit that was a direct knockoff. But what aliexpress is doing is much worse to me. They're copying multiple stamp designs by many different artists and companies and the resulting stamps are not good quality photopolymer (from what I've read). Calling it a bogus rule is just opinion on your part. To the group owners, it's a valid rule. I don't know (or care) why BRI isn't mentioned but it's clearly spelled out why the MISTI isn't mentioned.
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