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Post by bigelow on Aug 10, 2017 16:11:29 GMT
People also have a different perception of what constitutes bullying and deleting someone's post isn't bullying in my opinion.
it wasn't my post that was deleted. I was removed from the group and banned, just for mentioning Butterfly Reflections was where I bought something. No link, just a mention, and yes, I did not know of this rule, so my ignorance of the rule, its my fault.
Petty.
I'm a nice guy, I really am. Not many men are crafters and cardmakers, and so I did feel badly that I was banned from the group. Everyone wants to be accepted. I've been bullied my entire life, this did not feel any different to me.
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Post by scrapnnana on Aug 10, 2017 20:14:22 GMT
I'm sad that you felt bullied there, and even more sad that you have been bullied all your life. My youngest son was bullied all his life, too. He finally stood up to his bullies. That's basically what you are trying to do here.
I do hope you will keep participating here at Refupeas. I love that you are a guy crafter. I also looked to see what other threads you had participated in, and I am glad that you have participated in a variety of topics, even though you haven't posted a lot. I hope you haven't been discouraged by this thread. Please keep joining in the various conversations, especially those about crafting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 20:23:44 GMT
I'm sad that you felt bullied there, and even more sad that you have been bullied all your life. My youngest son was bullied all his life, too. He finally stood up to his bullies. That's basically what you are trying to do here. I do hope you will keep participating here at Refupeas. I love that you are a guy crafter. I also looked to see what other threads you had participated in, and I am glad that you have participated in a variety of topics, even though you haven't posted a lot. I hope you haven't been discouraged by this thread. Please keep joining in the various conversations, especially those about crafting. Yes, I agree 100% with everything scrapnnana said. I would love to see you stick around! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 5:48:54 GMT
bigelow Hugs, just the biggest hugs. I hate bullies and yes I am using the word hate in it's full context with a passion. I love male crafter's & cardmaker's. I find so much inspiration when I am admiring paper creations created by men. It annoys me to no end that the paper crafting industry is a female dominated industry. Paper art is not based on race or sex. Stay strong and remember you have a bunch of us that will stand for you too. I wish you found us years ago at the old 2Peas forum. The stamping board was led by one of the greatest stamper's in the world who is insanely talented and he's a guy. I feel like he made me a better stamper. He was my biggest role model in the community.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 12, 2017 1:01:53 GMT
People also have a different perception of what constitutes bullying and deleting someone's post isn't bullying in my opinion.
it wasn't my post that was deleted. I was removed from the group and banned, just for mentioning Butterfly Reflections was where I bought something. No link, just a mention, and yes, I did not know of this rule, so my ignorance of the rule, its my fault.
Petty.
I'm a nice guy, I really am. Not many men are crafters and cardmakers, and so I did feel badly that I was banned from the group. Everyone wants to be accepted. I've been bullied my entire life, this did not feel any different to me.
I'm in a lot of Facebook groups. Most of them are dog groups/dog training groups. Many of the admins have rules that seem more about them then the group. And many of the rules pop up at odd times or are ignored at other times. Many FB groups are odd and it's like a playground, if the admins like you they tend to give you more freedom. Or they themselves follow their own set of rules. I hope you find a couple of groups that appreciate you for who you are and what you contribute to them  I do see a lot of unnecessary drama in too many groups, crafting, RVing, dogs, etc. To much miscommunication and very often control issues. I even had one group that the husband scolded everyone because they didn't answer his wife's poll quick enough! FB brings out many things in people, some great and some not so good. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 3:56:32 GMT
I'm sorry you felt bullied. Our group would never, ever want anyone to feel that way. Again, I think some things have been misunderstood/misconstrued but at any rate, I wish you the best |
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Post by ladytrisha on Aug 25, 2017 16:28:43 GMT
i left a group after a post was made saying it was a Chevy owners group (Misti) and those of us with Fords (TH) should just be quiet and only talk about Chevys because it was rude to talk about Fords.
I said if I hadn't read about how Misti's owner treated people online and if her product stood up to use (especially at the inflated price point) then I'd not have an opinion and stick with my Silhouette LOL Then the bullying from the other Chevy owners started (seriously, it was made abundantly clear we weren't welcome). Funny thing is that they can't use the Misti name because ... she'll sue them. And they're an offshoot group from a bigger group that imploded because of guess what - the freaking Misti!
So a new group was started on FB - no pressure, we can talk about everything and anything, stamp what we want, when we want and there's lot of wonderful art and it's a joy. Like crafting is supposed to be.
I would like to thank the Misti crazies though - if not for them, I'd not be an owner of a Tim Holtz positioner now!
And to put this all with some clarity - anyone remember the Doodlecutter? Yeah, for those of us with one - products come and luckily do go far far away!
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Post by midorica on Aug 25, 2017 16:53:00 GMT
i left a group after a post was made saying it was a Chevy owners group (Misti) and those of us with Fords (TH) should just be quiet and only talk about Chevys because it was rude to talk about Fords. I said if I hadn't read about how Misti's owner treated people online and if her product stood up to use (especially at the inflated price point) then I'd not have an opinion and stick with my Silhouette LOL Then the bullying from the other Chevy owners started (seriously, it was made abundantly clear we weren't welcome). Funny thing is that they can't use the Misti name because ... she'll sue them. And they're an offshoot group from a bigger group that imploded because of guess what - the freaking Misti! So a new group was started on FB - no pressure, we can talk about everything and anything, stamp what we want, when we want and there's lot of wonderful art and it's a joy. Like crafting is supposed to be. I would like to thank the Misti crazies though - if not for them, I'd not be an owner of a Tim Holtz positioner now! And to put this all with some clarity - anyone remember the Doodlecutter? Yeah, for those of us with one - products come and luckily do go far far away! My goodness, that sounds awful. How do people have the energy to waste their time arguing over stamp positioners?! |
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Post by gale w on Aug 25, 2017 18:06:18 GMT
i left a group after a post was made saying it was a Chevy owners group (Misti) and those of us with Fords (TH) should just be quiet and only talk about Chevys because it was rude to talk about Fords. I said if I hadn't read about how Misti's owner treated people online and if her product stood up to use (especially at the inflated price point) then I'd not have an opinion and stick with my Silhouette LOL Then the bullying from the other Chevy owners started (seriously, it was made abundantly clear we weren't welcome). Funny thing is that they can't use the Misti name because ... she'll sue them. And they're an offshoot group from a bigger group that imploded because of guess what - the freaking Misti! So a new group was started on FB - no pressure, we can talk about everything and anything, stamp what we want, when we want and there's lot of wonderful art and it's a joy. Like crafting is supposed to be. I would like to thank the Misti crazies though - if not for them, I'd not be an owner of a Tim Holtz positioner now! And to put this all with some clarity - anyone remember the Doodlecutter? Yeah, for those of us with one - products come and luckily do go far far away!I was the proud owner of a doodlecutter. I think I sent it off to goodwill. I feel a little bad about that-possibly saddling some poor goodwill shopper with a doodlecutter. |
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Post by riley on Aug 25, 2017 23:58:26 GMT
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Post by JustTricia on Aug 26, 2017 0:01:33 GMT
i left a group after a post was made saying it was a Chevy owners group (Misti) and those of us with Fords (TH) should just be quiet and only talk about Chevys because it was rude to talk about Fords. I said if I hadn't read about how Misti's owner treated people online and if her product stood up to use (especially at the inflated price point) then I'd not have an opinion and stick with my Silhouette LOL Then the bullying from the other Chevy owners started (seriously, it was made abundantly clear we weren't welcome). Funny thing is that they can't use the Misti name because ... she'll sue them. And they're an offshoot group from a bigger group that imploded because of guess what - the freaking Misti! So a new group was started on FB - no pressure, we can talk about everything and anything, stamp what we want, when we want and there's lot of wonderful art and it's a joy. Like crafting is supposed to be. I would like to thank the Misti crazies though - if not for them, I'd not be an owner of a Tim Holtz positioner now! And to put this all with some clarity - anyone remember the Doodlecutter? Yeah, for those of us with one - products come and luckily do go far far away! If this was within the last couple of months, I know what you're referring to. The original post went on a rant about people talking about the TH platform and that it was a MISTI group, if you don't like it then leave. MULTIPLE people said they didn't realize it was a MISTI group and if they weren't welcome, they would leave. Other people starting posting don't leave, that's not what she meant, everyone is welcome, we just ask that you respect the MISTI, even though that was NOT the vibe the OP gave out. It was quite an interesting read. |
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Post by altenewLOVER4ever on Feb 2, 2018 0:28:56 GMT
Geesh, so sorry this happened to you. It seems such a silly thing for people to get the undies in a bundle about. ...That being said, I thank the powers that be every day that I don't have someone bashing me because I choose to use a Big Kick instead of a Cuttlebug or one of the other die cutting machines; or calling me a traitor because sometimes I prefer to use my Swingline paper cutter instead of the Tonic that I usually use. I work for a construction subcontractor - I can't imagine a general contractor getting pissy with subcontractors on a job because they don't use a particular brand of tools. We all just want to use whatever works best to accomplish the end result we want.  Count me another one who is sorry this happened to you, and I'm blown away by the rabid fanaticism over the MISTI. A decent tool should speak for itself. If you have to silence the competition, that speaks volumes for the fact that it can't honestly compete on its own merits. I couldn't agree more! The fact that MSP is so desperate to silence her competitors that she felt the need to sue them (when her "invention" isn't hers at all) speaks volumes, not only of the product itself but also of her character. I am an Apostolic/Holiness Christian, and quite frankly I am tired of people like her claiming the Christian label and not living up to it. I know that no one is perfect, that we all make mistakes, and that we are all growing in our walks with God at our own paces; but part of being a mature Christian--and also a public figure, for that matter--is acknowledging our mistakes and holding ourselves accountable for them, which she refuses to do, despite the immense amount of proof that the MISTI is not an original invention. I hate to say it, but even Jennifer McGuire seems to be a rabid, fanatically loyal MISTI supporter. After I gave my account as to why the MISTI isn't an original invention on another site, all of my comments on Jennifer McGuire's blog posts mysteriously disappeared (comments that had nothing to do with the MISTI, but were actually compliments toward Jennifer on her techniques [and yes, I did have to file through thousands of comments to find that mine were gone, on specific posts that I KNOW I commented on because I seldom post comments on blogs]) and now none of my new comments on Jennifer's blog posts get approved. I really expected better out of Jennifer, as she also claims to be a Christian. Disclaimer: I am not stating any of this to gossip or start an argument, I am merely sharing my experience. |
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Post by riversong1963 on Feb 2, 2018 1:35:54 GMT
altenewLOVER4ever: I'm not surprised that Jennifer McGuire deleted your comments. She deleted some of mine a long time ago because I had the nerve to ask her why she seemed so annoyed with her supplies in a video. She had been tossing her supplies across the table after she used them. When I asked what had happened to my posts, she laughed it off and said she had no idea what happened to them, and how strange it was.
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Post by altenewLOVER4ever on Feb 3, 2018 1:45:33 GMT
altenewLOVER4ever : I'm not surprised that Jennifer McGuire deleted your comments. She deleted some of mine a long time ago because I had the nerve to ask her why she seemed so annoyed with her supplies in a video. She had been tossing her supplies across the table after she used them. When I asked what had happened to my posts, she laughed it off and said she had no idea what happened to them, and how strange it was. SMH |
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Post by jstblondie on Feb 8, 2018 19:38:42 GMT
I’m a misti owner and a Tim Holtz stamping platform owner and soon to be a stampin up platform positioned. I’m equal opportunity shopper. I could less what people think of me for using this tool. It works for me and I’m happy with it. I’ve noticed that most of the threads I’ve seen here favor the Tim Holtz platform and despise Ms misti. This whole love hate thing is nuts. I haven’t use the Tim Holtz platform much because the the lid lifts off when I’m stamping. That’s irritating to me. My misti doesn’t do that. I suppose with practice that would stop happening but for right now I like my misti better. Ill keep using it until it dies. So far it’s held up despite me stepping on it. Not a scratch or a crack happened I’ll see how the stampin up version goes. It could have its quirks too like the Tim Holtz has
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 9, 2018 2:46:16 GMT
jstblondie, I don't think anyone here looks down on you or anyone else for preferring the MISTI.
The MISTI saga is an extreme example of how some customers and potential customers can be affected by a company's customer service, attitude, etc. It can go either way, such as keeping customers happy so they tell their friends what a great company it is, or upset customers to the point that the business suffers.
Customers can be a company's best, free advertising, or they can sink a company that has upset them.
Why do you never hear of the Wishblade, except in the past tense? Because customers got super upset, let their frustration be known in a big way, and it affected sales. The Silhouette was the exact, same machine (made by the same company), but with slightly differences in the software. Silhouette is still going strong. It wasn't the difference in the machines, it was the difference in the two companies and how they chose to do business.
MSP upset some of her customers by replacing some defective MISTI platforms, but not others. She came here and threatened Don for posting a photo of his homemade stamp press. She shot herself in the foot by refusing to admit that she was alienating potential future customers. I had planned to buy the MISTI, but decided she was not a business I wanted to buy from after seeing her behavior here.
Provo Craft made some similar mistakes, especially when they began their lawsuit years ago, and their sales dropped significantly. If you think people reacted badly to MSP, you should have seen the reactions to Provo Craft back then. It didn't help that a premature release of the Imagine upset even some of their most loyal customers (half of the machines did not work, and some even caught fire). If they had been a smaller company like MSP, they would probably have gone the way of Wishblade. However, they recognized they had lost the confidence of their customers, made changes in quality control, improved their customer service, and came out with new and better products. As a result, they not only survived their mistakes, but have thrived.
MSP made some rookie entrepreneur mistakes that came back to bite her. Unless she learns to recognize that customers are the lifeblood of her company, and treats her customers and future customers as though her business depends on it (because it does), I doubt she will last long in the business world.
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Post by riley on Feb 9, 2018 6:29:49 GMT
I agree about the business practices. When a product is flawed and you deal with customers in a combative way when they want resolution word gets around. I also think the lawsuit is a mistake. A friend of mine compared it to the family of the Wright brothers suing Boeing. The jury trial is set for December of 2019. That’s a long time to be embroiled in a lawsuit when other companies are coming forward with new stamping platforms.. If you already have one or two Mistis why would you buy another one unless it is new and improved and the price is competitive with other brands? Same goes for new customers. Cheaper, sturdier, and better customer service will probably win them over also.
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Post by streetscrapper on Feb 9, 2018 14:24:37 GMT
jstblondie, I don't think anyone here looks down on you or anyone else for preferring the MISTI. The MISTI saga is an extreme example of how some customers and potential customers can be affected by a company's customer service, attitude, etc. It can go either way, such as keeping customers happy so they tell their friends what a great company it is, or upset customers to the point that the business suffers. Customers can be a company's best, free advertising, or they can sink a company that has upset them. Why do you never hear of the Wishblade, except in the past tense? Because customers got super upset, let their frustration be known in a big way, and it affected sales. The Silhouette was the exact, same machine (made by the same company), but with slightly differences in the software. Silhouette is still going strong. It wasn't the difference in the machines, it was the difference in the two companies and how they chose to do business. MSP upset some of her customers by replacing some defective MISTI platforms, but not others. She came here and threatened Don for posting a photo of his homemade stamp press. She shot herself in the foot by refusing to admit that she was alienating potential future customers. I had planned to buy the MISTI, but decided she was not a business I wanted to buy from after seeing her behavior here. Provo Craft made some similar mistakes, especially when they began their lawsuit years ago, and their sales dropped significantly. If you think people reacted badly to MSP, you should have seen the reactions to Provo Craft back then. It didn't help that a premature release of the Imagine upset even some of their most loyal customers (half of the machines did not work, and some even caught fire). If they had been a smaller company like MSP, they would probably have gone the way of Wishblade. However, they recognized they had lost the confidence of their customers, made changes in quality control, improved their customer service, and came out with new and better products. As a result, they not only survived their mistakes, but have thrived. MSP made some rookie entrepreneur mistakes that came back to bite her. Unless she learns to recognize that customers are the lifeblood of her company, and treats her customers and future customers as though her business depends on it (because it does), I doubt she will last long in the business world. Here here! Well said. For me, customer service is key! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 15:05:14 GMT
Also, let's not forget that she is promoting Christianity with her verse but then bullying people, which is another form of hate. I refuse to support that type of hypocrisy.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 9, 2018 18:25:58 GMT
Also, let's not forget that she is promoting Christianity with her verse but then bullying people, which is another form of hate. I refuse to support that type of hypocrisy. I think hypocrisy is something few people can tolerate. The Bible verse does not bother me, but her behavior does. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 7:28:43 GMT
She made a killing selling those Mistis at $60. She misses the gravy days.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 21:29:59 GMT
Unfortunately I am not surprised. I have been crafting for nearly 20 years and met so many wonderful people who I call friends. Then I've met some other people who I greatly admired for their talent (very big in the crafting/cardmaking world) only to discover that in reality they are not exactly nice. It was really quite a shock, one person who I will no name was quite vicious to me when I refused to toe the line on her "team". (insert eye roll!) She even got made that I was friends with another high profile crafter, apparently even though I'm an adult I can't choose my own friends??? It's too bad so many people think some of these diva's are all that and a bag of chips when in reality they are nothing but mean girls.
There is one large company that tries to dominate things and sell the koolaid, if you don't drink they don't want to know you. Okay by me! I never liked Koolaid anyway, and I am loving all the NICE companies and crafters who operate them. They have much cooler stuff anyway!
There is also a certain web site (not this one) that caters to this one company. I got sick of the boot licking and left!
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Post by gale w on Mar 15, 2018 0:52:42 GMT
My uneducated guess is stampin up and splitcoast stampers.
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Post by riley on Mar 15, 2018 21:11:26 GMT
No Koolaid for me. MSP is now headed for mediation instead of a jury trial. Hope Tonic doesn't budge. Just silly.
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Post by luv2scrapaboutmykids on Mar 17, 2018 19:26:06 GMT
I am sorry that this behaviour happened to you. I am in lots of groups online but I try to avoid drama if possible. I wish that people remember that there is a real human behind every profile and treat people as you would face to face.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 21:35:33 GMT
No Koolaid for me. MSP is now headed for mediation instead of a jury trial. Hope Tonic doesn't budge. Just silly. Where did you hear this? |
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Post by louisamay on Mar 18, 2018 22:30:18 GMT
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Post by riley on Mar 19, 2018 1:09:48 GMT
Most recent update for March
34 discov Notice of Service Fri 5:49 PM
NOTICE OF SERVICE of Plaintiffs First Set of Requests for Admission, Second Set of Requests for Production, and First Set of Interrogatories filed by My Sweet Petunia, Inc..(Fugett, Eric)
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I do see a lot of unnecessary drama in too many groups, crafting, RVing, dogs, etc. To much miscommunication and very often control issues. I even had one group that the husband scolded everyone because they didn't answer his wife's poll quick enough! 
