altenewLOVER4ever
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Post by altenewLOVER4ever on Jul 25, 2017 7:28:58 GMT
I was disturbed to watch one of her recent videos (it was a video about the top 5 'expensive' crafting tools that she recommends). The very first 'expensive' craft tool she recommended was--you guessed it--the MISTI. She didn't simply say, "a stamp platform/positioner"--she specifically (and very obviously) plugged the MISTI. Someone added the comment that they loved their TH platform, I added that I loved it also. Someone else added that they loved the MISTI because they were having some kind of issue with their TH platform and that they thought their TH platform was 'defective', to which I replied: Take note that my comment had six upvotes, none of which were my own. This was Kristina's response: Take note that she asked someone why they need the TH platform if they already have the MISTI, which I'm not even going to get into, but the last comment with the Bible scriptures listed is mine. Some Bible truth ought to do her good. Apparently, stating facts on Kristina's channel means you will have your comment removed. Liars don't like the truth. Kristina hasn't told any lies herself that I know of, specifically; but the fact that she would remove the truth in order to so obviously and shamlessly support someone who IS a liar is just as bad. My comment had six upvotes. I know that isn't an outrageous number of upvotes, but it was enough to keep that thread of comments as the number-one top thread in the comments section of that video. She removed it because 1) it was the truth, a truth she didn't like, and 2) since her video was basically a plug for the MISTI, it looked bad that a comment like mine had that many upvotes and was in the top comment thread on her channel. I plan on posting a rebuttal video soon, I just need a stand for my tablet and then I will film it, with the screen shots of the comment thread included in the video. I just think it's outrageous that someone should have that much control over free speech, first of all; and second of all, the truth. It would have been different if I had been cussing and calling Iliana a bunch of harsh, terrible, profane things--but I was obviously very calm and rational in my comment. At any rate, I just wanted to share this with you guys. I don't really have anyone to share these things with, except maybe the USPTO, lol.
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Post by gale w on Jul 25, 2017 8:45:45 GMT
I can't see your photos. Photobucket doesn't allow remote image linking anymore unless you upgrade (and pay).
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 25, 2017 10:02:05 GMT
Could you upload those photos to a different image host website? It's a shame they're missing from your write-up (and that Photobucket has decided to make such a drastic change to their hotlinking conditions).
I'm sorry to hear the MISTI mafia strikes again and that the laws of the omertà apply wherever needed. It was very smart of you to take those screenshots straight away. It sucks that it happened to you but speaking up is crucial. Informed crafters can go on to make their own decisions whether to continue to support certain people or not in the industry. Bravo for telling your story!
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camcas
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Post by camcas on Jul 25, 2017 10:15:00 GMT
I watched Kristinas video too. I must admit I was a bit surprised she didn't mention Tims platform since she uses his blender tool and distress ink...gotta be worth a comparison or at least a mention. Still, the video was her personal opinion so I don't have to agree
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Post by riley on Jul 25, 2017 10:27:54 GMT
Well she didn't delete all of them that mentioned the TH favorably but looks like some are gone. Also looks like a lot of these designers are not going to risk showcasing the TH. They may not want to incur the wrath of the Misti fan girls and lose traffic on their blogs. I think I'm going to unsubscribe from those that don't at least give equal time to the Tonic and let them know why. It's their choice of course but since they demo every other darn tool that comes on the market I figure they could preview this one. It's silly to pretend it doesn't exist.
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Post by oaksong on Jul 25, 2017 13:04:23 GMT
That's disappointing. I enjoy following Kristina. She's so creative and talented. What is it with this MISTI cult? I guess they really believe that Iliana is the new Gutenberg. It must be a religious thing.
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Post by mimi3566 on Jul 25, 2017 13:30:01 GMT
I, personally didn't see anything wrong with it. It's her YouTube channel, and her opinion...if she wants to promote the MISTI then that's her prerogative.
I could see the problem IF the video was about comparing stamp positioning tools and she blatantly omitted Tim Holtz's, but the content of the video was about "HER" top 5 favorite expensive tools and these are obviously hers'.
I have the original MISTI and don't see the need for another one so I wouldn't have mentioned it if I were doing a top 5 tools video since I have no experience with any other brand, I could not make a recommendation on a tool I've never used...that doesn't mean I'm part of a MISTI cult. It just simply means that's my opinion based upon my experiences.
FTR I am just a home crafter that makes cards, mixed media, mini albums, etc... and does not make videos...I don't know any of the players (Kristina, the owner of the MISTI or Tim) at all....I just like to play in my scrappy place and watch youtube videos.
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Post by marg on Jul 25, 2017 14:18:59 GMT
I was just reading the comments on her video and saw that there were a few talking about how much they loved Tonic's stamp platform, so I don't think she's removing all of the comments complimenting that platform.
She posted this under the comments on her video, which I think is very fair:
>K Werner Design9 hours ago While I appreciate this thread of comments, I have deleted a couple of comments since this is not the place to personally attack people (or the products they sell). If you have an issue with someone, that is fine. I just don't want it on my videos.
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Post by riley on Jul 25, 2017 18:26:24 GMT
Hmm I didn't see that on her comments. I'm glad she mentioned that it was deleted. I think that's fair then. Like others said, it's her blog, her choice. My hope is that she doesn't get hate mail from either side. I hope designers are not feeling intimidated to use whichever product they prefer. My point is that it's the first time I've seen a TH sponsored product that has come out that hasn't been highly hyped by designers. The silence is deafening.
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cinnistew
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Post by cinnistew on Jul 25, 2017 18:51:31 GMT
I'm sorry to hear the MISTI mafia strikes again and that the laws of the omertà apply wherever needed. It was very smart of you to take those screenshots straight away. It sucks that it happened to you but speaking up is crucial. Informed crafters can go on to make their own decisions whether to continue to support certain people or not in the industry. Bravo for telling your story! MISTI Mafia! I love it! Haha!
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Post by cinnistew on Jul 25, 2017 19:01:18 GMT
I am pretty surprised that some of these well known stampers are choosing one over the other, especially with how popular Tim Holtz is and all of his products they use. I'd forgotten how expensive the MISTI was and it makes me love my TH platform even more. I'm going to sell my MISTI's when I get a chance. I'm done with them.
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Post by riley on Jul 25, 2017 21:59:51 GMT
I guess it depends on personal experience as well as whether a person thinks she got copied. My cracked Misti was replaced because I was in very bright light when I noticed the crazing which soon turned into long cracks. I was within days of my warranty expiring. Friends of mine noticed theirs a few weeks too late and there was no recourse. They are team Tonic as a result. It wasn't just one batch. Mine had a pink printed grid. My friends' had a black printed grid. I think the TH design is a different design but others think it's not.
Perhaps she could do some updates to freshen her design, like extending the door so hacks like a washi tape handle aren't necessary. There is also a perception that her price is too high now that she is manufacturing in China but she may not get the same "breaks" that a larger company might get. Bottom line for me is that my Tonic is more versatile and gives a good image close to the bumpers. Since I have a regular and a mini Misti I won't be buying any more Mistis but I would buy a mini version of the Tonic.
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Post by paperaddict on Jul 25, 2017 23:13:44 GMT
I agree with the OP. I "dislike" the video...the very first time I did with one of KW's videos. Also, I rarely use the "dislike" button so it shows you how strongly I feel about this. I recently saw a video by Laura Bassey, who did have a video with TH platform a while back, now using the MISTI only in her recent videos? Why? I seriously think there is a MISTI mafia out there. I have TH platform and I love it.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 25, 2017 23:36:18 GMT
I say she uses what she wants. She may or may not lose subscribers. I think it's short sighted to limit herself and appear to take sides, but maybe it's no detriment to her bottom line.
My only issue with KW and Jennifer McGuire is their whining about getting either negative comments or more likely a thumbs down. We've had this discussion here before and I think it's unprofessional of them to complain. They need to accept criticism or not accept comments. If I ran my business via you tube I would allow dissent in my comments and would shut down any fan girls ganging up on the dissenters. It's something I deal with daily at work. If we can't take the heat we shouldn't have a public product.
ETA: spelling is important. I'm sure I'll find another glaring error after I hit save.
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Post by GiantsFan on Jul 26, 2017 0:36:35 GMT
It's her video of products she uses and likes. It doesn't matter whether anyone here agrees or not. It's her opinion and her channel. If she wants to remove unflattering posts...again her channel. I will continue watch because I like her techniques and card style. I'm not going go to buy a MISTI or a Sizzix or the Tonic cutter just because she uses them.
Maybe she's still waiting for her THSP pre-order. 😄
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 7:40:44 GMT
Here goes my famed who is this person ignorance again. I have never seen a Kristina Werner video. I have to agree with some of the other opinions posted here it is her channel and her opinion on her top 5. She might not have wanted a religious discussion on her video. You know how those things can go from innocent to nuclear. sleepingbooty Misti mafia is the best one so far since all of this Misti drama started, lol. I guess I am blessed I haven't run into these women. I see a lot of Misti's on Instagram. The girls seem really sweet and I doubt have a clue to stamp platform drama's. I admit the Misti is so pretty. I think it is prettier than Tim's. I would have bought it because I like pretty things. I admit it. I am so glad these threads come up because I would really be sick if I bought another nightmare item. I keep saying this too but I am really really grateful threads come up like this. Quick off topic. It is not just craft items I get upset about. I collect dolls. I have a collection of Monster High. A forum I follow taught me to look for eye wonks and defects on the dolls. If I never saw that thread I could have been buying fakes or misprints. Do these women actually talk about receiving dislikes on their videos? That is unprofessional. I am sorry it really is. Glad to know that so I can stay away. It is the Internet, people are going to hit the like dislike button. Some people might comment why they disliked you because it could be you played annoying music in the background and whispered through your video. That is not something to get hurt about it is something to fix. People just dislike videos because they have sad lives, bless them. Talking about disliking and you receive money from your video is just tacky. I think that sounds like an ego stroking thing. Am I the only one that is starting to get concerned that Tim's platform might not be reviewed fairly? I am starting to worry about the fangilring and the lets stick it to Iliana that we are not going to get through honest reviews on Tim's platform or WRMK. I already ran into one. She started "I bought Tim's platform because the Misti owner is a horrible person." I clicked the close button. I didn't even finish it. I had a feeling she wasn't going to give a fair review but a hate review. Really it is unfair to Tim & Tonic. Even though I don't trust Iliana professionally it is unfair to her too.
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Post by riversong1963 on Jul 26, 2017 11:25:32 GMT
Jennifer McGuire deleted one of my comments a long time ago. It was one of her early videos, and I commented that she looked annoyed, because after she used each supply, she seemed to toss it down, as if she were disgusted with it. Then my comment just disappeared. I emailed her about it, but she laughed it off, saying that it was "strange," and she didn't know how it disappeared. She even deleted her response to my comment. That left a very bad taste in my mouth.
I'm not surprised that Kristina deleted your comment, OP. She has a history of not being able to handle comments that aren't gushing and bowing and acting like she's God's gift to stamping. She once asked someone who posted a negative (but definitely not nasty or rude) comment what qualifications and art training she had that qualified her to make comments that questioned her choices. She can act very immaturely and unprofessionally.
Not everyone will agree with the choices others make. If you're going to put yourself out there on YT, then you need to put on your big girl (or boy) pants and act like a grown-up. I've had a few thumbs-down reactions on some of my videos. I still sleep very well, and I still do what I like. JMHO
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Post by GiantsFan on Jul 26, 2017 14:25:52 GMT
Am I the only one that is starting to get concerned that Tim's platform might not be reviewed fairly? I am starting to worry about the fangilring and the lets stick it to Iliana that we are not going to get through honest reviews on Tim's platform or WRMK. I already ran into one. She started "I bought Tim's platform because the Misti owner is a horrible person." I clicked the close button. I didn't even finish it. I had a feeling she wasn't going to give a fair review but a hate review. Really it is unfair to Tim & Tonic. Even though I don't trust Iliana professionally it is unfair to her too. : :
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Post by riley on Jul 26, 2017 18:37:38 GMT
I have wondered about fairness of reviews of the TH also-positive and negative. I did watch a video on YouTube last week that really seemed to be overly negative. It was full of this and that "might happen" kinds of comments. She complained that the TH door laid flat while her mini Misti door stuck up in the air so she could slap a stamp on it. My Misti door doesn't catch and stick up in the air. I think she had a defective one. It was just odd. I have a TH and am curious if people who use both are finding anything they especially don't like about it. I still like my mini Misti until something small and better comes along. It's really light and portable and handy for the little stuff.
I also noticed that a couple of designers started out using the TH and now only show the Misti or nothing at all. I wonder if they think it's not worth losing subscribers since the Misti users seem more angry about the whole more than one positioner thing or they just don't like it for demoing because it takes up more space.
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Post by tammytutterow on Jul 26, 2017 21:50:09 GMT
I also noticed that a couple of designers started out using the TH and now only show the Misti or nothing at all. I wonder if they think it's not worth losing subscribers since the Misti users seem more angry about the whole more than one positioner thing or they just don't like it for demoing because it takes up more space. I can only speak from my experience- I purchased and used a MISTI and promoted it on my blog. I am not affiliated with them in any way, I simply liked the tool. I have some issues with my hands that make using blocks hard. Tonic sent me their platform several months ago. I began using it exclusively because I really liked it and because the hinge on my MISTI broke. Because of the lawsuit, Tonic had everyone that got those early platforms send them back. Without it, I went back to using my MISTI. I would suspect that is the case with many designers who have switched back as you mentioned above. I'm back to my MISTI not because I love it better, but because it is what I have and I need to use a platform. SaveSave
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Post by gale w on Jul 26, 2017 22:46:30 GMT
I also noticed that a couple of designers started out using the TH and now only show the Misti or nothing at all. I wonder if they think it's not worth losing subscribers since the Misti users seem more angry about the whole more than one positioner thing or they just don't like it for demoing because it takes up more space. I can only speak from my experience- I purchased and used a MISTI and promoted it on my blog. I am not affiliated with them in any way, I simply liked the tool. I have some issues with my hands that make using blocks hard. Tonic sent me their platform several months ago. I began using it exclusively because I really liked it and because the hinge on my MISTI broke. Because of the lawsuit, Tonic had everyone that got those early platforms send them back. Without it, I went back to using my MISTI. I would suspect that is the case with many designers who have switched back as you mentioned above. I'm back to my MISTI not because I love it better, but because it is what I have and I need to use a platform. SaveSaveThat explains a lot. I hope now that the whole thing is over (for now) at least some designers will get the new version and be able to use them again. I'm seriously considering unsubbing from a lot of the youtubers that I've been following because of all this.
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Post by riley on Jul 26, 2017 23:06:58 GMT
I can only speak from my experience- I purchased and used a MISTI and promoted it on my blog. I am not affiliated with them in any way, I simply liked the tool. I have some issues with my hands that make using blocks hard. Tonic sent me their platform several months ago. I began using it exclusively because I really liked it and because the hinge on my MISTI broke. Because of the lawsuit, Tonic had everyone that got those early platforms send them back. Without it, I went back to using my MISTI. I would suspect that is the case with many designers who have switched back as you mentioned above. I'm back to my MISTI not because I love it better, but because it is what I have and I need to use a platform. SaveSaveThat explains a lot. I hope now that the whole thing is over (for now) at least some designers will get the new version and be able to use them again. I'm seriously considering unsubbing from a lot of the youtubers that I've been following because of all this.
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Post by riley on Jul 26, 2017 23:09:15 GMT
Oops sorry about the empty repost fumble finger.
Thanks for that info. I had no idea that happened. So much for speculation on my part.
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Post by scrappington on Jul 30, 2017 23:50:25 GMT
I'm really surprised that Kristina is not using a TH platform at all. She designed the crazy birds, dogs and cats I think for him or the accessories. Can't remember but I know she did one or all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 7:10:47 GMT
I'm not surprised that Kristina deleted your comment, OP. She has a history of not being able to handle comments that aren't gushing and bowing and acting like she's God's gift to stamping. She once asked someone who posted a negative (but definitely not nasty or rude) comment what qualifications and art training she had that qualified her to make comments that questioned her choices. She can act very immaturely and unprofessionally. Does Kristina have an art background? Has she been juried? Has her work been shown in museums? I am not trying to be snarky. I am really not familiar with her. I did peek at her blog and didn't see an art resume only crafting resume. I peeked at her nail blog thinking it was nail art but no it was just painted nails. Not trying to be snarky again but I wonder if she knows she glops on her color coats and heavy hands the top coats. I saw she uses Dior. That is a heavy nail polish and can glop like crazy. I know I am critiquing, lol. Nail art is a massive hobby for me.
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Post by mimi3566 on Jul 31, 2017 14:53:45 GMT
I'm not surprised that Kristina deleted your comment, OP. She has a history of not being able to handle comments that aren't gushing and bowing and acting like she's God's gift to stamping. She once asked someone who posted a negative (but definitely not nasty or rude) comment what qualifications and art training she had that qualified her to make comments that questioned her choices. She can act very immaturely and unprofessionally. Does Kristina have an art background? Has she been juried? Has her work been shown in museums? I am not trying to be snarky. I am really not familiar with her. I did peek at her blog and didn't see an art resume only crafting resume. I peeked at her nail blog thinking it was nail art but no it was just painted nails. Not trying to be snarky again but I wonder if she knows she glops on her color coats and heavy hands the top coats. I saw she uses Dior. That is a heavy nail polish and can glop like crazy. I know I am critiquing, lol. Nail art is a massive hobby for me. If I remember correctly, she does have an education in art...maybe graphic art. She is also a master calligraphist (not sure if that's a word)...she does a lot of design work for several manufacturers including images and fonts in addition to teaching online art techniques. I think her nails are just a hobby of hers.
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Post by cinnistew on Jul 31, 2017 19:34:39 GMT
Does Kristina have an art background? Has she been juried? Has her work been shown in museums? I am not trying to be snarky. I am really not familiar with her. I did peek at her blog and didn't see an art resume only crafting resume. I peeked at her nail blog thinking it was nail art but no it was just painted nails. Not trying to be snarky again but I wonder if she knows she glops on her color coats and heavy hands the top coats. I saw she uses Dior. That is a heavy nail polish and can glop like crazy. I know I am critiquing, lol. Nail art is a massive hobby for me. If I remember correctly, she does have an education in art...maybe graphic art. She is also a master calligraphist (not sure if that's a word)...she does a lot of design work for several manufacturers including images and fonts in addition to teaching online art techniques. I think her nails are just a hobby of hers. She also has an over-inflated ego... just my opinion.
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Post by mimi3566 on Jul 31, 2017 20:16:08 GMT
If I remember correctly, she does have an education in art...maybe graphic art. She is also a master calligraphist (not sure if that's a word)...she does a lot of design work for several manufacturers including images and fonts in addition to teaching online art techniques. I think her nails are just a hobby of hers. She also has an over-inflated ego... just my opinion. I believe that SSS and Tim Holtz has used her designs and penmanship on their stamps of which she doesn't seem to flaunt or even get mentioned as designing so I'm not sure I agree that she has an over-inflated ego...in fact, quite the contrary.
I've never met her so I wouldn't know anything about that.
I do know that from what I do know of her on her YouTube channel, I like her style and think she is very talented.
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Post by gale w on Jul 31, 2017 21:55:41 GMT
She's talented and does amazing lettering. But in that industry she needs to have a thicker skin if some criticism bothers her so much she feels the need to delete comments. Not everyone loves every artist, no matter how good some of us think they are. BUT I really would like to see what the images in the OP are to see what the actual comment was.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 23:47:25 GMT
Very disappointed that she took sides instead of saying "A stamp positioner" more generally.
Misti mafia indeed.
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