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Post by keknj on Aug 27, 2014 18:11:08 GMT
These stories are just so very sad. I feel so bad for the babies that don't have a chance and the families that would have loved and cherished them. I have to think that there is some mental health issue on the mother's part, otherwise that is just so cold hearted that it must be psychopathic.
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Post by Linda on Aug 27, 2014 18:17:25 GMT
I can't imagine being in a position where that seemed like my only option - the mum must be mentally ill and/or very scared to be that desperate to hid a pregnancy/birth.
Prayers for the wee ones and for all pregnant mums to get the help and support they need - for their sake and for their babies
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 18:19:00 GMT
Horrendous and inexcusable. It's attempted murder in the least.
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 27, 2014 18:42:36 GMT
Utah has safe haven laws. She could have dropped the baby off at a hospital or fire station with no questions asked. Why not do that instead of dumping that innocent baby in the trash? Because they are not thinking straight.
Doesn't make it right. The whole things makes me so sad and I too will never understand how a woman can do this. She had several months, probably 7-8 months, to "think straight". This wasn't a spur of the moment decision. She had time. Inexcusable!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 18:44:43 GMT
Because they are not thinking straight.
Doesn't make it right. The whole things makes me so sad and I too will never understand how a woman can do this. She had several months, probably 7-8 months, to "think straight". This wasn't a spur of the moment decision. She had time. Inexcusable! You don't understand mental illness then. Or PPA/PPD.
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Post by shanni on Aug 27, 2014 18:51:03 GMT
I have been following this story since it broke yesterday. They are reporting that the woman threw the baby away because she was worried her parents would be mad at her; yet she's in her mid 20's and lives alone. I wonder if there is some mental disability or illness going on. A grown woman who lives alone could have easily taken that child to a safe place and handed her over. So, so sad. The baby is in extremely critical condition. There is a new push here in Utah of PSA's trying to educate women about the safe haven laws. I pray that this sweet baby survives, and that this case will help educate other mothers who feel like there is no way out. Can someone educate me a bit about the safe haven laws? Do those babies being dropped off go straight into the system? How do they get adopted if the legal parents are known to sign their rights away? No two ways about it...going into the system is still MUCH better than dead. But I wonder if that's what these young moms fear? That the baby would be better off dead than "in the system" as they likely were? To clarify: I don't mean to make it out like "in the system" is a horrible thing. I hear good and bad stories from it. Taken from www.utahsafehaven.org/FAQ.html : "7. What happens to my newborn after I leave the hospital? The hospital will take care of any medical care your newborn requires. The Utah Division of Child and Family Services (DCFS) will place your child for adoption into a safe, loving home. There are many great families waiting to adopt children." So yes, they do go "in the system", but newborns are very easy to place. It's much different than it would be for an older child.
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 27, 2014 18:55:31 GMT
She had several months, probably 7-8 months, to "think straight". This wasn't a spur of the moment decision. She had time. Inexcusable! You don't understand mental illness then. Or PPA/PPD. No, I most certainly do. But nowhere in the article does it state she has mental illness. Now, if you are saying that because she did this, she has a mental illness ... well, that'll probably be determined by lawyers and a court of law. I don't know if she does or not. A lot of people do a lot of things in this world that I can't fathom -it doesn't meant they all have mental illness (though some most certainly do I understand).
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Post by mimima on Aug 27, 2014 19:14:55 GMT
Can someone educate me a bit about the safe haven laws? Do those babies being dropped off go straight into the system? How do they get adopted if the legal parents are known to sign their rights away? No two ways about it...going into the system is still MUCH better than dead. But I wonder if that's what these young moms fear? That the baby would be better off dead than "in the system" as they likely were? To clarify: I don't mean to make it out like "in the system" is a horrible thing. I hear good and bad stories from it. Taken from www.utahsafehaven.org/FAQ.html : "7. What happens to my newborn after I leave the hospital? The hospital will take care of any medical care your newborn requires. The Utah Division of Child and Family Services (DCFS) will place your child for adoption into a safe, loving home. There are many great families waiting to adopt children." So yes, they do go "in the system", but newborns are very easy to place. It's much different than it would be for an older child. I'm off to read the Safe Haven website (thanks!) but has anyone heard research as to how often it is used, and if it has reduced these types of tragedies?
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Post by wezee on Aug 27, 2014 19:39:34 GMT
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Post by shanni on Aug 27, 2014 19:42:24 GMT
[HASH]mimima I read yesterday that 8-10 babies per year are brought in under safe haven, just in Utah. I have no idea how that number compares nationally. It would be really interesting to find that out though, as well as find out if it has led to a decrease in mothers killing or discarding their babies.
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Post by maryland on Aug 27, 2014 19:42:41 GMT
I think they should be able to call 911 and say come get this baby (no questions asked). That way the baby is safe, a great person can adopt the child, and the parents don't have to get into trouble. I know it's more complicated than that (so I know it's a dumb idea), but I wish there was an easy way to give up a baby, as that may be the only way to save the baby in some cases. It may be that the parents can't get to a hospital or police station.
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Post by uksue on Aug 27, 2014 20:19:17 GMT
Terribly sad. There have to be mental health issues at play here. I agree. There appears to be a total lack of empathy in both stories linked.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 27, 2014 20:30:02 GMT
You don't understand mental illness then. Or PPA/PPD. No, I most certainly do. But nowhere in the article does it state she has mental illness. Now, if you are saying that because she did this, she has a mental illness ... well, that'll probably be determined by lawyers and a court of law. I don't know if she does or not. A lot of people do a lot of things in this world that I can't fathom -it doesn't meant they all have mental illness (though some most certainly do I understand). I heard this story on the news his morning. I read the link in the OP. No where was mental illness or abuse mentioned. No where. If someone has a link with more information, please provide one. Without it, you are merely projecting your thoughts and emotions providing an excuse for someone who may be evil and selfish.
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Post by mimima on Aug 27, 2014 20:53:40 GMT
[HASH]mimima I read yesterday that 8-10 babies per year are brought in under safe haven, just in Utah. I have no idea how that number compares nationally. It would be really interesting to find that out though, as well as find out if it has led to a decrease in mothers killing or discarding their babies. Great, thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 22:15:25 GMT
No, I most certainly do. But nowhere in the article does it state she has mental illness. Now, if you are saying that because she did this, she has a mental illness ... well, that'll probably be determined by lawyers and a court of law. I don't know if she does or not. A lot of people do a lot of things in this world that I can't fathom -it doesn't meant they all have mental illness (though some most certainly do I understand). I heard this story on the news his morning. I read the link in the OP. No where was mental illness or abuse mentioned. No where. If someone has a link with more information, please provide one. Without it, you are merely projecting your thoughts and emotions providing an excuse for someone who may be evil and selfish. And I feel that no sane person would do something like this. My opinion.
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Post by shanni on Aug 27, 2014 22:48:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 22:59:41 GMT
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Post by pierogi on Aug 27, 2014 23:02:25 GMT
From that article, it sounds like the woman has extremely limited mental capacity. Can't even read or write. This is not someone who should be living alone. If their description of her is correct, then I wonder if she's even able to give informed consent sexually. Who the hell is the father?
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Post by shanni on Aug 27, 2014 23:28:36 GMT
From that article, it sounds like the woman has extremely limited mental capacity. Can't even read or write. This is not someone who should be living alone. If their description of her is correct, then I wonder if she's even able to give informed consent sexually. Who the hell is the father? I couldn't figure out what you were talking about! When I first read the article, there was much less info there. Just that the father had said the girl had learning disabilities. They must have updated it right after I posted it with more info. This is why I said that I thought there had to be some mental disabilities or mental illness going on. A typical 23 year old doesn't throw a baby away because her parents will be mad at her. She had also said that she threw the baby away to take care of the problem. The things that she said to the police just didn't sound like they were coming from a mentally sound young adult. (It didn't sound like she tried to cover it up or deny it. She put it in the neighbors garbage can, not in some remote place in a dumpster that couldn't be traced back to her.) This was not a woman who was thinking things through.
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 28, 2014 0:05:45 GMT
Taken from www.utahsafehaven.org/FAQ.html : "7. What happens to my newborn after I leave the hospital? The hospital will take care of any medical care your newborn requires. The Utah Division of Child and Family Services (DCFS) will place your child for adoption into a safe, loving home. There are many great families waiting to adopt children." So yes, they do go "in the system", but newborns are very easy to place. It's much different than it would be for an older child. I'm off to read the Safe Haven website (thanks!) but has anyone heard research as to how often it is used, and if it has reduced these types of tragedies? My niece was surrendered under the safe haven laws of our state. My sister and her husband adopted her via foster care. Based on her case we learned a bit about our laws. You can not relinquish a child under the law any later than (I think) 72 hours. There is actual red tape and paper work to sign during the process. You don't just hand baby over and walk away. And lastly, the state tried to remove the birth moms older children because she did this, there was no evidence of abuse. It was based solely on her relinquishing the baby. I don't get any of those rules. They seem counter productive to me. I guess I get the paperwork, because the hospital caseworker had never seen a safe haven relinquishment and did not get the proper paperwork which causes a nightmare and heartache later on.
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