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Post by liya on Aug 27, 2014 18:09:31 GMT
Some background info: DS just turned 18 yo and has been overweight all of his preteen and teen years. He has been tested for various issues (all negative) and had been to a nutritionist in the past. He was active in sports up until the last 2 years. He currently has a gym membership with his Dad.
I think portion control is a problem of his as well as late night snacking. He also might possibly sneak eat; hide what he eats and how much from me.
Anyway he asked me if we could eat no carb when school starts. It was totally unprompted by me. I am not sure if no carb is possible but I think low carb might be an option. I am willing to do it with him but I think it will be hard for him. I am not sure how to keep him motivated.
Some me ideas I have: eggs for breakfast tukey or roast beef with raw veggies for lunch hot protein with hot veggie for dinner
But what about snacks? Won't he get bored very quickly? How many carbs is okay per day? Any good resources out there?
Thanks for any help!
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 27, 2014 18:18:00 GMT
No carb is not a healthy way to go.
Check out Paleo blogs like Everyday Paleo and Non Nom Paleo.
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Post by liya on Aug 27, 2014 18:24:42 GMT
Thanks back to *pea*ality I'll take a look at those.
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Post by ddstratton on Aug 27, 2014 18:32:59 GMT
Low carb works great for some people, but dr's don't generally like it. I recently saw a diabetic educator, and she was adamant that we NEED carbs. And not just a few. She wanted me on a diet that included 30-45 grams of carbs per meal, plus another 15 for a snack. When I was on a low-carb diet, I was eating only 30 grams of carbs per day, not per meal. Atkins and South Beach are the popular low-carb diets, and there is a ton of info available on those.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Aug 27, 2014 18:48:43 GMT
Low carb works great for some people, but dr's don't generally like it. I recently saw a diabetic educator, and she was adamant that we NEED carbs. And not just a few. She wanted me on a diet that included 30-45 grams of carbs per meal, plus another 15 for a snack. When I was on a low-carb diet, I was eating only 30 grams of carbs per day, not per meal. Atkins and South Beach are the popular low-carb diets, and there is a ton of info available on those. I seriously think the medical profession is lacking in education around this area. I think it's pretty hard to go "no carb" but there's more and more research coming out that low carb is beneficial. Check out some paleo resources too. He may be able to drop the weight following paleo vs. low carb. whole30.comrobbwolf.comwww.marksdailyapple.comAll 3 sites have a blog and forums (though, take what you see on forums with a grain of salt). Of the 3, the Whole30 forum is the most heavily moderated and I think that's why I like that one. If someone throws out wrong info, it's addressed immediately.
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Post by liya on Aug 27, 2014 18:49:12 GMT
I think it might work for DS because it might be just what he needs to kick start some weight loss. His current intake is very carb heavy and processed. For him it might need to be very restrictive to work.
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Post by liya on Aug 27, 2014 18:51:19 GMT
I don't really know what Paleo is. I will have to look into it. Thanks!
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Aug 27, 2014 19:02:54 GMT
Paleo = No grains, legumes, dairy, sugar. But not necessary low carb. There are shades of gray to paleo. Whole30 is the most restrictive. Then you have Paleo-Robb Wolf which is no grains, legumes, sugar, throw dairy in if you want and doesn't cause you problems. And Primal(Mark's Daily Apple) which is basically pull out grains, legumes, sugar and try to eat clean foods 80% of the time.
Robb Wolf and Mark Sisson (of Mark's Daily Apple) have podcasts on iTunes. I listen to Robb Wolf's every day on my ride to/from work. Trying to get caught up.
If you think restrictive may be of help to him, have him try a Whole30. It's 30 days. A lot of people have great success. I lost 19lbs and 20 inches.
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Post by kmcginn on Aug 27, 2014 19:03:06 GMT
I agree low carb is probably better - no carb is very hard to do. I did Nutri-System for a while and was very successful with it. It cut my carb addiction. It still has carbs, but it's a good diet and no counting points or calories. There is a man's version. Check it out and see if it might work for him. Pretty expensive, but if you aren't buying him other food, it might work.
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Post by liya on Aug 27, 2014 19:09:00 GMT
SweetieBsMom-I just looked at the Whole30 and he might be able to do it if he is committed. I will print out some of the stuff and tell him about the message board.
kmcginn-I would rather him try grocery store food at this point but thanks for the idea.
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Post by Prenticekid on Aug 27, 2014 19:12:51 GMT
You might want to start by asking him what he thinks "no carb" means - some people thinks it just means pasta and processed carbs.
I did the Whole 30 and keep pretty closely to it most of the time since I completed my first 30 (it is a 30-day program, initially). It is pretty easy to learn and to follow, so if you think something restrictive will help your DS, I'd look into it. When you boil it all down, on the Whole 30, you eat proteins and produce. It is not a diet, per se, it is a body reset and you re-learn your relationship to food. I eat a protein and about 2 cups of vegetables with each meal, I drink a lot of water, and I don't snack. Before I did the Whole 30, I was a Coke addict and constantly sugar snacked. Constantly. The Whole30 is free at their website, but there is a book called "It Starts with Food" that explains why it works. Some of the things the authors had to say just really rang a bell with me for whatever reason, and I'd been around the block a thousand or two times! LOL (Not just regarding weight loss, but with the sugar addiction issue especially).
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 27, 2014 19:17:42 GMT
I think it might work for DS because it might be just what he needs to kick start some weight loss. His current intake is very carb heavy and processed. For him it might need to be very restrictive to work. I would start there frankly. Get the junk food out of the house. Eat real food. If he's a late night snacker (which for most teenage boys seems to translate into huge quantities of chips and soda), he may find great results. I've never understood people concerns about snacks. We've never kept traditional snack food in the house. Too often it's a bunch of processed crap that's high in fat, sodium and has little to no nutritional value. My kids snack on fruit, carrots, nuts, cheese, hummus. I'd guess they consume at least 50% of their fruits and vegetables as snacks. Particularly my son who has a strong aversion to fruit first thing in the morning - unlike his sister who doesn't think the day has begun without fruit.
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Post by Karmady on Aug 27, 2014 19:21:52 GMT
No carb is next to impossible. Fruits and vegetables have carbs. Eating low carb, low sugar fruits such as berries is a good thing. His body needs the minerals and vitamins from real food.
Low carb or less carb is much better. I try to keep my carbs under 130 g per day. That keeps my weight down and my sugar even. Diabetes runs in my family and I was diagnosed as prediabetic a couple of years ago. Since that time, my blood sugar has tested normal and I take nothing for prediabetes. This along with regular exercise.
I agree with the poster who stated that most doctors are behind the times when it comes to diet. My doctor is older and told me to follow the Canada food guide with 8-12 servings of whole grains per day. The bariatric specialist said that unfortunately, that model is a prescription for diabetes. My doctor said no eggs because it will raise my cholesterol. The bariatric specialist said yes to eggs but use free run, high quality eggs. My cholestrol is perfect. Interesting stuff.
Lower carb (we all eat too much), more lean protein, plenty of veg, smaller amounts of sugary fruits, some milk or milk substitutes if you wish, nuts and seeds should be the main parts of your diet. You can still eat some pasta, just less. I try to eats 80% clean which leaves 20% for desert or a takeout lunch.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 19:22:03 GMT
No carb is not a healthy way to go. All fruits and vegetables have carbs...no one should go without carbs completely.
Too much protein will cause stress to the kidneys.
Balance protein with *complex* carbs for best results.
Now going without the "cheap carbs" might be a good plan. Those are the whites--rice, pasta, potatoes, refined sugar, etc.
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Post by SabrinaM on Aug 27, 2014 19:40:02 GMT
Low carb works great for some people, but dr's don't generally like it. I recently saw a diabetic educator, and she was adamant that we NEED carbs. And not just a few. She wanted me on a diet that included 30-45 grams of carbs per meal, plus another 15 for a snack. When I was on a low-carb diet, I was eating only 30 grams of carbs per day, not per meal. Atkins and South Beach are the popular low-carb diets, and there is a ton of info available on those. I, too, saw a dietitian in Atlanta many years ago when I was dx with PCOS and insulin resistance. This was her advice as well.
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Post by liya on Aug 27, 2014 19:41:32 GMT
No carb for him is a catch phrase. Last school year his "go to" lunch was a PBJ sandwich on white whole wheat bread, veggie chips, a granola bar and an apple. Lunch was at 11:00am so when he would get home at 3:00pm he was starving and eat again usually leftovers but quite often it was junk.
He eats a lot of bread, pasta and rice which he knows we will cut out of our diet. He will need to add some fruit and more vegetables. I told him it will be hard and he will be irritable and likely have headaches for a few days. I have already bought almonds and Brazil nuts and have not replaced the chips, cereals,etc that we have run out of.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 20:05:09 GMT
Another option that might work for him: The Belly Fat Cure. It's a low-carb/low-sugar plan that has worked for me for many years. It's not as restrictive as Atkins, etc. It allows 6 servings a day of 20 carbs/15 grams sugar. The author is very good at pointing out where hidden sugars are in our regular foods (like ketchup, dressings, fruits, even some vegetables and dairy).
I have found BFC very easy to follow and stick with. The same author Jorge Cruise has several books, free handouts, etc. about what to eat at fast food, etc. Low-carb can be hard to stick with because of the prep involved so it's nice to know what you can eat on the go and stay within program.
Either way, good luck to him! You're an awesome mom for helping him research ideas and work toward his weight loss goals!
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Post by liya on Aug 27, 2014 20:12:00 GMT
Thanks Journeyfan. I hope this is his time to do it.
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Post by gloryjoy on Aug 27, 2014 20:22:42 GMT
For snacks I will have things like cottage cheese, cheese strings, hard boiled egg, apple, berries, greek yogurt.
Some people might say I eat low carb but for me I consider it clean and healthy. Lean protein meats, lots of vegetables, fresh fruit, brown rice or quinoa. I've replaced potatoes with yams or sweet potatoes. I don't eat a lot of bread and if I do it is a wholewheat wrap or 100% wholewheat bread.
I think he should try eating good carbs, instead of no carbs.
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Post by anniefb on Aug 27, 2014 20:24:21 GMT
No carb - no - but try thinking of alternative sources of carbs rather than huge portions of pasta, bread etc ie starchy vegetables and fruits. Substitute wholemeal or wholegrain bread for white. Cut out soda and too much sugar because excess sugar will also be converted to fat.
What I'd suggest is a balanced eating plan which focuses on real food not processed. Protein with every meal helps keep the metabolism up. My nutritionist insists on mid morning & afternoon snacks - again with protein.
It has to be something that's healthy and do-able on a long term basis.
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Post by moveablefeast on Aug 27, 2014 20:43:11 GMT
I normally eat less than 30 net carbs a day. Some days I will eat a little more. But 30-50 is enough to eat lots of veggies, some fruit, and good fatty meat and healthy oils.
I love low carb because all my cravings are gone. I am never overeating because I am never hungry.
My blood sugar is normal, my cholesterol improved, my blood pressure is stone cold normal. My MD just said that whatever I'm doing I should keep doing. I told him I was on a keto diet and all he said was obviously it's working, so no need to change anything.
I track carbs in myfitnesspal and it is easy and sustainable for me.
I love the message boards at lowcarbfriends for ideas and help.
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 27, 2014 20:44:17 GMT
Similar to other suggestions, the book I had years ago was Sugar Busters. Have him read it so he really understands what is going on with the foods he eats vs. you telling him. It's an easy read. It explains how foods have a glycemic index. It's a way of life, not a diet.
I find that for snacks, a small handful of nuts fills me up and is also good - be careful, it doesn't take much. Try a couple of slices of cheese or cheese sticks as a snack.
If he wants an "unhealthy" snack just to get a taste, use portion control. 5 chips instead of a half a bag, for instance, gives you the taste without the consequences of a huge amount. A sliver of cake once in a while is okay, not the large piece of birthday cake he is probably used to eating, for instance.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 27, 2014 22:16:58 GMT
If your eating your servings of veggies, you will have enough carbs to be healthy. ( just don't 'need' the bread, cake, cookie, pasta, white rice to go with )
I have a salad with lunch and a salad with dinner plus another veggie or 2 as a side. I do still make carbs because the kids and DH eat them but I've found I actually prefer to gave 2 or 3 veggies instead.
I make my own salad dressings, mostly vinagrettes tons if recipes out there if you google.
For lunch I wrap my things in lettuce instead of bread
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Post by anniefb on Aug 27, 2014 22:50:32 GMT
A few ideas re portions/serving sizes. A 'serving' is a less than most of us think:
Easy way to measure portions: - Red meat & chicken - size of the palm of your hand (excluding fingers) and the thickness of a pack of playing cards. - Fish - size of palm & fingers - Carbs (eg pasta, rice) - size of clenched fist - Vegetables - unlimited or what you can hold in two cupped hands.
1 serving is: Meats & proteins - 3-4oz steak, 3/4 cup of mince or casserole, 2 slices of cooked meat, 1 egg, 3/4 cup of cooked beans Grains - 1 slice bread, 1 muffin, 1 cup cooked pasta or rice, 2 small cookies Vegetables - 1/2 cup cooked veges, 1 tomato, 1/2 cup chopped salad, 1 medium potato Fruits - 1/2 cup fruit salad, 1 medium apple or pear, 2 small apricots or plums, 2 tablespoons dried fruit Dairy - 1 cup milk, 2 slices of cheese, small pottle of yogurt
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