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Post by shevy on Aug 28, 2014 13:13:09 GMT
There has been a large Somali population in MN/Minneapolis for 30 years. And there is what law enforcement describes as a "pipeline" of young men who are lured into fighting for Al Shebab and now ISIS. They believe that more than 100 young men were talked into leaving the US and are currently fighting in the middle east for the terrorists groups. In the past it was young men from the Somali Community who were talked into going, kids really in their young teens 13/14 years old. Now it seems that there is a group who are not Somali, but grew up in areas of the Twin Cities with Somali and had friends who influenced them.
The community leaders express how sad it is to have feld their country from war and terrorists, only to have their children return to the area to fight with those groups. They've tried to have meetings and programs to educate the young men about not going back, but they still do. |
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 28, 2014 14:26:04 GMT
I will never forget the images of Muslims cheering and dancing in the streets in Paterson NJ on 911. They are here and I believe Chuck Hagel and General Dempsey that there is an imminent threat from our open borders and immigration policies.
I think your thread title would be more accurate if it said they killed for ISIS.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 14:30:08 GMT
I will never forget the images of Muslims cheering and dancing in the streets in Paterson NJ on 911. They are here and I believe Chuck Hagel and General Dempsey that there is an imminent threat from our open borders and immigration policies. Remember this is not representative of all or even a majority of Muslims though. I'm tired of the instant hate and distrust of Muslims as a whole. They are not inherently jihadists out to get us. |
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Post by pattipea on Aug 28, 2014 14:32:08 GMT
Certainly not the way we want our fine state to be talked about, or remembered for.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 28, 2014 14:34:49 GMT
I will never forget the images of Muslims cheering and dancing in the streets in Paterson NJ on 911. They are here and I believe Chuck Hagel and General Dempsey that there is an imminent threat from our open borders and immigration policies. Remember this is not representative of all or even a majority of Muslims though. I'm tired of the instant hate and distrust of Muslims as a whole. They are not inherently jihadists out to get us. I never said all Muslims are jihadists. Please don't interject your thoughts onto my post. I said there are radical Muslims who danced and cheered in the streets in Paterson NJ on 911. I believe radicalized Muslim cells exist in the US and apparently Hagel and Dempsey feel the threat is imminent. |
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Post by straggler on Aug 28, 2014 14:51:08 GMT
And I wish that more of the Muslim community who are not jihadists would speak out. It would help their cause tremendously. But for the most part they remain silent...and unfortunately that silence can be interpreted a lot of ways.
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Post by straggler on Aug 28, 2014 14:56:36 GMT
...and this crap is scaring the hell out of me! Our borders aren't secured, many of these people have passports which enable them to travel freely. Anyone who thinks these guys are not already here is sticking their heads in the sand IMHO. I know so many people who aren't even aware this crap is going on. They just go about their lives like everything is hunky dory! Many of them don't want to know...how can you not care about the world we are leaving our children and grandchildren? How can you not care about what is happening to our America, to our way of life? I just don't get it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 14:57:11 GMT
And I wish that more of the Muslim community who are not jihadists would speak out. It would help their cause tremendously. But for the most part they remain silent...and unfortunately that silence can be interpreted a lot of ways. Actually this is not true either. Many spoke out after 9/11 and other times but sadly it is not widely reported. And this is exactly the type of assumptions that are being made and Muslims are feeling very hated in this country. We had one on the old board that talked about it at length. They ended up leaving the country because they were tired of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 14:58:12 GMT
Remember this is not representative of all or even a majority of Muslims though. I'm tired of the instant hate and distrust of Muslims as a whole. They are not inherently jihadists out to get us. I never said all Muslims are jihadists. Please don't interject your thoughts onto my post. I said there are radical Muslims who danced and cheered in the streets in Paterson NJ on 911. I believe radicalized Muslim cells exist in the US and apparently Hagel and Dempsey feel the threat is imminent. I understand but you don't have to look far for the Muslim hated. Heck it is already on this thread. |
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Post by straggler on Aug 28, 2014 15:11:21 GMT
Boy scrappower, you are jumping by leaps and bounds here! I haven't seen/read anything about Muslim hating in this thread! But I stand by what I posted...I watch various newscasts regularly and read a great deal and I am not seeing many Muslims speaking out. If it is not reported, then in my opinion, they are not speaking out loudly enough or not in large enough numbers. But that being said, it does not make me a hater of Muslims. Nor did "back to "pea"ality" say anything that should be construed as being hateful of Muslims. Facts are facts, some Muslims did dance and rejoice after 9/11...does that make them jihadists? No, but it does make me question why they want to live in America if they can rejoice over such an atrocity. And I don't say any of this lightly. My family has had some unpleasant interactions with some people of the Muslim faith and I could let that color my attitude, but I choose to rise above that and not paint all Muslims with a wide brush.
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Post by LeaP on Aug 28, 2014 15:11:42 GMT
...and this crap is scaring the hell out of me! Our borders aren't secured, many of these people have passports which enable them to travel freely. Anyone who thinks these guys are not already here is sticking their heads in the sand IMHO. I know so many people who aren't even aware this crap is going on. They just go about their lives like everything is hunky dory! Many of them don't want to know...how can you not care about the world we are leaving our children and grandchildren? How can you not care about what is happening to our America, to our way of life? I just don't get it. What do you mean our borders aren't secured? Have you crossed the border recently? The U.S. side is something to behold and they ask a lot of questions, photograph you, your car, your license plate (all with different cameras), and x-ray/scan your vehicle. They probably have some way to weigh your vehicle as well. In addition, getting my driver's license here in Canada, the British Columbia DMV equivalent had access to 7 years of my U.S. driving record. I am certain that big brother knows a lot about me, a boring suburban SAHM. Imagine what they know about people who frequent radical groups? |
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Post by straggler on Aug 28, 2014 15:15:04 GMT
leap...perhaps I should have specified our southern border...which is certainly not secured...and the one I most relate to living where I do.
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Post by freebird on Aug 28, 2014 15:17:58 GMT
...and this crap is scaring the hell out of me! Our borders aren't secured, many of these people have passports which enable them to travel freely. Anyone who thinks these guys are not already here is sticking their heads in the sand IMHO. I know so many people who aren't even aware this crap is going on. They just go about their lives like everything is hunky dory! Many of them don't want to know...how can you not care about the world we are leaving our children and grandchildren? How can you not care about what is happening to our America, to our way of life? I just don't get it. What do you mean our borders aren't secured? Have you crossed the border recently? The U.S. side is something to behold and they ask a lot of questions, photograph you, your car, your license plate (all with different cameras), and x-ray/scan your vehicle. They probably have some way to weigh your vehicle as well. In addition, getting my driver's license here in Canada, the British Columbia DMV equivalent had access to 7 years of my U.S. driving record. I am certain that big brother knows a lot about me, a boring suburban SAHM. Imagine what they know about people who frequent radical groups?
have you turned on the television in the past 3 months? You do realize that people are just walking across the border on the Mexican side right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 15:19:23 GMT
Boy scrappower, you are jumping by leaps and bounds here! I haven't seen/read anything about Muslim hating in this thread! But I stand by what I posted...I watch various newscasts regularly and read a great deal and I am not seeing many Muslims speaking out. If it is not reported, then in my opinion, they are not speaking out loudly enough or not in large enough numbers. But that being said, it does not make me a hater of Muslims. Nor did "back to "pea"ality" say anything that should be construed as being hateful of Muslims. Facts are facts, some Muslims did dance and rejoice after 9/11...does that make them jihadists? No, but it does make me question why they want to live in America if they can rejoice over such an atrocity. And I don't say any of this lightly. My family has had some unpleasant interactions with some people of the Muslim faith and I could let that color my attitude, but I choose to rise above that and not paint all Muslims with a wide brush. And do you expect Christians to speak out against every crime/act another Christian does? Jews? Etcetera. There are fringe members in every group out there. It isn't the responsibility of the group as a whole to speak out against them. |
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Post by shevy on Aug 28, 2014 15:25:41 GMT
I will never forget the images of Muslims cheering and dancing in the streets in Paterson NJ on 911. They are here and I believe Chuck Hagel and General Dempsey that there is an imminent threat from our open borders and immigration policies. I think your thread title would be more accurate if it said they killed for ISIS. Yes, I'm sure that they have killed for ISIS. Afterall, they were recruited to help fight along side them. What struck me is that they recruited these kids to come fight with them. However, now, they're killing them as a demonstration of their power. The families of these kids are heartbroken when their child is smuggled to the Middle East to join. And now they're heartbroken again when their child dies at the hand of the group they joined. The Somali Community in the Twin Cities has done a good job of speaking out against this. They've developed programs and presentations that they use in their community centers and mosques in an effort to get the young people to avoid being taken in by Al-Shebab and now ISIS. |
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Post by straggler on Aug 28, 2014 15:29:19 GMT
I respectfully disagree, scrappower. When the atrocities being committed are so horrendous, and against a whole religious population, you bet I expect Muslims as a whole to speak out against them! Not only because of the magnitude of the jihadists' crimes, but also because these crimes are being committed against Christians in the name of their religion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 15:34:42 GMT
I respectfully disagree, scrappower. When the atrocities being committed are so horrendous, and against a whole religious population, you bet I expect Muslims as a whole to speak out against them! Not only because of the magnitude of the jihadists' crimes, but also because these crimes are being committed against Christians in the name of their religion. And if you do some quick google searches you will see that people are speaking out. It just isn't entertaining enough for the media. So it is happening even if you think it isn't. But I still don't think it is their responsibility or anyone else's. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 15:41:38 GMT
The 2nd American killed wasn't a kid. He was 29 years old. The news articles that I've read about his death state that he, along with the first American killed, died fighting for ISIS in a battle against a Syrian rebel group.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Aug 28, 2014 15:50:12 GMT
I am NOT getting into this again. My father is Muslim, my relatives are Muslim, I was brought up Muslim but I am a Christian who is married to a Jew. I have been attacked for my family's religion. I have been hated, I have been persecuted. My whole family has. My mother is American and a Christian.
I can tell you why Muslim's DO NOT speak up in this country.....Because they will be hated and threatened and persecuted until they leave. There are so many Americans who are so vile and full of hate and all they can see is that hatred. They cannot see the person who they are attacking. My family has been afraid to go about their daily lives because of these disgusting Americans. You say we all need to pick battles with our children, well the same goes for our lives. Many Muslims here accept that they will never be able to change public opinion so they go on doing what they do and hope that no one attacks them. That means keeping quiet.
You have no idea how many times I have wanted to flee this country because of the stupidity and ignorance of some.
As for this statement, you did not say RADICAL in your original post. That may be what you meant and I did realize that but you did not phrase it like that. Just sayin'
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Post by Regina Phalange on Aug 28, 2014 15:53:58 GMT
Remember this is not representative of all or even a majority of Muslims though. I'm tired of the instant hate and distrust of Muslims as a whole. They are not inherently jihadists out to get us. I never said all Muslims are jihadists. Please don't interject your thoughts onto my post. I said there are radical Muslims who danced and cheered in the streets in Paterson NJ on 911. I believe radicalized Muslim cells exist in the US and apparently Hagel and Dempsey feel the threat is imminent. No, actually, look at your post. You said "images of Muslims" not "images of radical Muslims." So you see why she responded as she did? I was thinking the same thing when I first read your post. |
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 28, 2014 16:06:24 GMT
Can you post a link? I have not read or seen a news report that ISIS is killing American jihadists.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 28, 2014 16:11:52 GMT
The Muslims dancing in the street on 911 in Paterson NJ IN celebration are not peaceful Muslims who are patriots of the US. CLEAR ENOUGH?
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 28, 2014 16:44:48 GMT
Do you mean a second man from Minnesota who JOINED ISIS was killed by American airstrikes? Because that's the story I heard this morning.
ISIS killing Muslims is not news. They will pretty much kill anyone. They are an army of 40,000 psychopaths as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely barbaric.
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Post by lindah on Aug 28, 2014 17:06:22 GMT
And I wish that more of the Muslim community who are not jihadists would speak out. It would help their cause tremendously. But for the most part they remain silent...and unfortunately that silence can be interpreted a lot of ways. I agree.
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Post by SabrinaM on Aug 28, 2014 17:32:48 GMT
I never said all Muslims are jihadists. Please don't interject your thoughts onto my post. I said there are radical Muslims who danced and cheered in the streets in Paterson NJ on 911. I believe radicalized Muslim cells exist in the US and apparently Hagel and Dempsey feel the threat is imminent. I understand but you don't have to look far for the Muslim hated. Heck it is already on this thread. Where has anyone stated they hated Muslims?? |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 28, 2014 17:35:52 GMT
And I wish that more of the Muslim community who are not jihadists would speak out. It would help their cause tremendously. But for the most part they remain silent...and unfortunately that silence can be interpreted a lot of ways. If you think Muslims are not speaking out against ISIS, you are not paying attention or you are getting your news from the wrong sources. There have been innumerable condemnations against ISIS. HERE YOU GO |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 17:36:28 GMT
I understand but you don't have to look far for the Muslim hated. Heck it is already on this thread. Where has anyone stated they hated Muslims?? I'm not the only one who sees the impled hatred on this thread. There are several posts where it is very obvious. They can say they don't hate Muslims but what they write speaks very differently. |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 28, 2014 17:43:21 GMT
And as I am typing this the Muslim Public Affairs Council is holding a major press conference on violent extremism.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 28, 2014 18:13:50 GMT
Where has anyone stated they hated Muslims?? I'm not the only one who sees the impled hatred on this thread. There are several posts where it is very obvious. They can say they don't hate Muslims but what they write speaks very differently. @scrappower you have the ability to read into things that are simply not there. For the record, I don't hate Muslims. Let's stipulate for future discussions that I believe the vast majority of those in the Muslim faith are peaceful people who will not stand for radical jihad. That being said, those who wish to harm Americans and vow to destroy the United States of America, that would perpetrate evil acts as they did on 911 who self identify as Muslims should be wiped off the face of the Earth. I am tired of you implying what I said so I hope that I have made myself perfectly clear. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 18:17:10 GMT
I'm not the only one who sees the impled hatred on this thread. There are several posts where it is very obvious. They can say they don't hate Muslims but what they write speaks very differently. @scrappower you have the ability to read into things that are simply not there. For the record, I don't hate Muslims. Let's stipulate for future discussions that I believe the vast majority of those in the Muslim faith are peaceful people who will not stand for radical jihad. That being said, those who wish to harm Americans and vow to destroy the United States of America, that would perpetrate evil acts as they did on 911 who self identify as Muslims should be wiped off the face of the Earth. I am tired of you implying what I said so I hope that I have made myself perfectly clear. I'm not talking about you. |
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