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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 28, 2014 18:17:34 GMT
And I wish that more of the Muslim community who are not jihadists would speak out. It would help their cause tremendously. But for the most part they remain silent...and unfortunately that silence can be interpreted a lot of ways. If you think Muslims are not speaking out against ISIS, you are not paying attention or you are getting your news from the wrong sources. There have been innumerable condemnations against ISIS. HERE YOU GOLink not working.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 28, 2014 18:28:59 GMT
And as I am typing this the Muslim Public Affairs Council is holding a major press conference on violent extremism. Is it being televised? I checked CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Al Jazeera America - did I miss it?
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 28, 2014 18:45:33 GMT
If you think Muslims are not speaking out against ISIS, you are not paying attention or you are getting your news from the wrong sources. There have been innumerable condemnations against ISIS. HERE YOU GOLink not working. I just tried it and it worked for me. Media Matters is the site. Beliefnet also has a summary of it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 18:46:49 GMT
I just tried it and it worked for me. Media Matters is the site. Beliefnet also has a summary of it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Works for me too.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 28, 2014 18:47:16 GMT
And as I am typing this the Muslim Public Affairs Council is holding a major press conference on violent extremism. Is it being televised? I checked CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Al Jazeera America - did I miss it? It is available online. Check their web site. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 28, 2014 19:11:27 GMT
I just tried it and it worked for me. Media Matters is the site. Beliefnet also has a summary of it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I tried it several times on my iPad and it did not work but it does now - thanks. The article in the link spends most of it's written lines on b!tching about Fox News. Quite frankly, I don't think this link makes for an argument that leaders in the Muslim community are publicly condemning jihad. These statements do not appear in publications like the New York Times, Washington Post, or presented on major television or cable news media outlets. If you are a member or contributor to one if these organizations perhaps you receive an esoteric newsletter.
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 28, 2014 19:46:06 GMT
Media Matters is the site. Beliefnet also has a summary of it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Media Matters and Beliefnet are hardly the mainstream press. Is it on CNN? ABC/CBS/NBC? Maybe a reputable site like Forbes? Washington Post, Washington Times?
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Post by mimima on Aug 28, 2014 20:09:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 20:27:35 GMT
So now speaking out isn't even enough. It has to be carried by the correct source too. Look no one can force the media to talk about something. Muslims speaking out doesn't get ratings. But it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 28, 2014 20:35:37 GMT
You know what I find frustrating about these threads. People refuse to actually acknowledge the real problem raised in the OP. How are these young men in MINNESOTA being radicalized? Why would a person raised in the US go to Syria to fight a jihad? People are so quick to assume that someone is disparaging all Muslims, that we can't even acknowledge a real issue. I frankly don't care which Muslim groups is putting out press releases, any more than I care about whether the Vatican puts out a press release condemning a wacko for bombing an abortion clinic in the name of Jesus.
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Post by Kymberlee on Aug 28, 2014 20:39:28 GMT
You know what I find frustrating about these threads. People refuse to actually acknowledge the real problem raised in the OP. How are these young men in MINNESOTA being radicalized? Why would a person raised in the US go to Syria to fight a jihad? People are so quick to assume that someone is disparaging all Muslims, that we can't even acknowledge a real issue. I frankly don't care which Muslim groups is putting out press releases, any more than I care about whether the Vatican puts out a press release condemning a wacko for bombing an abortion clinic in the name of Jesus. This bears repeating over and over. I'm sot seeing the hate for Muslims either, and pointing out facts doesn't make you a hater.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 20:52:48 GMT
You know what I find frustrating about these threads. People refuse to actually acknowledge the real problem raised in the OP. How are these young men in MINNESOTA being radicalized? Why would a person raised in the US go to Syria to fight a jihad? People are so quick to assume that someone is disparaging all Muslims, that we can't even acknowledge a real issue. I frankly don't care which Muslim groups is putting out press releases, any more than I care about whether the Vatican puts out a press release condemning a wacko for bombing an abortion clinic in the name of Jesus. This bears repeating over and over. I'm sot seeing the hate for Muslims either, and pointing out facts doesn't make you a hater. That's what I see time after time on these types of threads. No matter the subject. Whether it's gay marriage threads, radical Muslim threads, black and white violence threads, anytime you talk about the facts you always have someone claiming hate talk. We have to be able to talk about these things without someone jumping to that conclusion for talking about it. It accomplishes nothing but shutting down the conversation. If the conversations are allowed to progress without someone waiting to slam the hammer down, we might actually become informed.
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Post by Skypea on Aug 28, 2014 21:07:47 GMT
...and this crap is scaring the hell out of me! Our borders aren't secured, many of these people have passports which enable them to travel freely. Anyone who thinks these guys are not already here is sticking their heads in the sand IMHO. I know so many people who aren't even aware this crap is going on. They just go about their lives like everything is hunky dory! Many of them don't want to know...how can you not care about the world we are leaving our children and grandchildren? How can you not care about what is happening to our America, to our way of life? I just don't get it.
you saved me a lot of typing...
and all those young guys (early teens; some just 13-15) coming over our border recently/now/still coming... with the tats and claiming to be gang members... border agents have said they are recruiting right in the places they are kept before dispersing into the country.
Who is behind/supporting this surge of foreigners coming over our borders? Even while his lips spew lies of doing all possible to protect this country. That's supposed to be his main duty. That's not his idea of it tho. Bringing in just anyone from foreign countries (how do you know they aren't kids from Iran, Yemen?) all the while cutting back our military (our ability to protect us and our country). Destroying us from within.
many of you voted for him and some even still support him.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 28, 2014 23:43:19 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 28, 2014 23:50:42 GMT
No, the only people that I recall celebrating were some Palestinians. And as far as that American being killed, IS is a vicious group. I can't mourn anyone on their side who dies in battle. Don't forget, they have slaughtered more Muslims than anyone.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 29, 2014 0:06:19 GMT
A couple of weeks ago ISIS forced Christians and Yazidis from their homes and they became refugees on a mountain. Radical Muslim extremists were murdering and beheading children. Pope Francis made a statement condemning this atrocity. I didn't need to search and hunt for that. If a high ranking Imam came forward and condemned ISIS, I must have missed it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 0:08:52 GMT
A couple of weeks ago ISIS forced Christians and Yazidis from their homes and they became refugees on a mountain. Radical Muslim extremists were murdering and beheading children. Pope Francis made a statement condemning this atrocity. I didn't need to search and hunt for that. If a high ranking Imam came forward and condemned ISIS, I must have missed it. [br Did you read that article? It shows that many Muslim groups are speaking out. What more do you want? They can't force the media to broadcast it.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 29, 2014 0:10:35 GMT
A couple of weeks ago ISIS forced Christians and Yazidis from their homes and they became refugees on a mountain. Radical Muslim extremists were murdering and beheading children. Pope Francis made a statement condemning this atrocity. I didn't need to search and hunt for that. If a high ranking Imam came forward and condemned ISIS, I must have missed it. You can't compare Islam to Catholicism. The Catholic Church has one leader for the whole world. Islam has no such thing. Google will show you that Imams throughout the world have condemned ISIS. There is no figure in Islam who is comparable to the Pope.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 29, 2014 0:14:43 GMT
Oh--and if you look at that article it is a roundup of clerics around the world, representing several countries and sects, who have spoken out. Additionally, leaders in major cities across America have spoken out and there are articles in regional papers (Lousiville, Nashville, Detroit...) about what their local clerics are saying.
It doesn't make Fox headlines because it's not a recognizable figure and it doesn't fit their narrative.
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Post by redayh on Aug 29, 2014 0:16:38 GMT
you saved me a lot of typing...
and all those young guys (early teens; some just 13-15) coming over our border recently/now/still coming... with the tats and claiming to be gang members... border agents have said they are recruiting right in the places they are kept before dispersing into the country.
Who is behind/supporting this surge of foreigners coming over our borders? Even while his lips spew lies of doing all possible to protect this country. That's supposed to be his main duty. That's not his idea of it tho. Bringing in just anyone from foreign countries (how do you know they aren't kids from Iran, Yemen?) all the while cutting back our military (our ability to protect us and our country). Destroying us from within.
many of you voted for him and some even still support him.
Yeah, we know, he was behind 911, he's the antichrist, he's not a citizen. Hell, he probably even personally trained the Somali jihadists (I mean Minnesota isn't that far from Illinois.) We get it. Blah, blah, blah. >>>
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 29, 2014 0:23:27 GMT
A couple of weeks ago ISIS forced Christians and Yazidis from their homes and they became refugees on a mountain. Radical Muslim extremists were murdering and beheading children. Pope Francis made a statement condemning this atrocity. I didn't need to search and hunt for that. If a high ranking Imam came forward and condemned ISIS, I must have missed it. You can't compare Islam to Catholicism. The Catholic Church has one leader for the whole world. Islam has no such thing. Google will show you that Imams throughout the world have condemned ISIS. There is no figure in Islam who is comparable to the Pope. Yes, I am aware of that. But there are Imam's of high rank that speak out in a political nature.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 29, 2014 0:27:51 GMT
Oh--and if you look at that article it is a roundup of clerics around the world, representing several countries and sects, who have spoken out. Additionally, leaders in major cities across America have spoken out and there are articles in regional papers (Lousiville, Nashville, Detroit...) about what their local clerics are saying. It doesn't make Fox headlines because it's not a recognizable figure and it doesn't fit their narrative. I can tell you are getting frustrated as now you are accusing me of getting all my information from Fox News. I watch and/or listen to all news outlets ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox, MSNBC and read the NY Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Huffington Post, Drudge Report...... This is another argument that keeps getting thrown out there that is getting really old.
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Post by kristalina on Aug 29, 2014 0:34:12 GMT
And I wish that more of the Muslim community who are not jihadists would speak out. It would help their cause tremendously. But for the most part they remain silent...and unfortunately that silence can be interpreted a lot of ways. Actually this is not true either. Many spoke out after 9/11 and other times but sadly it is not widely reported. And this is exactly the type of assumptions that are being made and Muslims are feeling very hated in this country. We had one on the old board that talked about it at length. They ended up leaving the country because they were tired of it. S.P. - Who was this? I don't remember this happening?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 0:36:54 GMT
Actually this is not true either. Many spoke out after 9/11 and other times but sadly it is not widely reported. And this is exactly the type of assumptions that are being made and Muslims are feeling very hated in this country. We had one on the old board that talked about it at length. They ended up leaving the country because they were tired of it. S.P. - Who was this? I don't remember this happening? I wish I could remember her pea name. She posted from her new country with all the fantastic food and photos. I'm sure someone will remember.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 29, 2014 1:10:31 GMT
Oh--and if you look at that article it is a roundup of clerics around the world, representing several countries and sects, who have spoken out. Additionally, leaders in major cities across America have spoken out and there are articles in regional papers (Lousiville, Nashville, Detroit...) about what their local clerics are saying. It doesn't make Fox headlines because it's not a recognizable figure and it doesn't fit their narrative. ^^^this. Many Muslims are speaking out; most of them are terrified of IS. Rightfully so.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 29, 2014 1:11:23 GMT
S.P. - Who was this? I don't remember this happening? I wish I could remember her pea name. She posted from her new country with all the fantastic food and photos. I'm sure someone will remember. Wasn't that Alipeas?
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 29, 2014 2:00:50 GMT
I wish I could remember her pea name. She posted from her new country with all the fantastic food and photos. I'm sure someone will remember. Wasn't that Alipeas? Yes, Allipeas. She and her family moved to Morocco. I tried to contact her when 2peas closed but I never heard back from her. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 29, 2014 11:22:05 GMT
Somali community leaders speak out video linkFox News gave air time to these community leaders last night. I found what they had to say very interesting because like several opined here there are wondering where the Imam's are not publicly condemning radicalized Muslims on video 2:58.
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Post by shevy on Aug 29, 2014 14:43:36 GMT
Can you post a link? I have not read or seen a news report that ISIS is killing American jihadists. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. Yes, they're killed in the fight, not necessarily by ISIS members. But it's very interesting that things heat up with the US and ISIS and suddenly the Anericans who were recruited and dying. My point was, that all these years after 9/11, there seems to be a growing population of local young people who are being recruited successfully. And while I can sometimes see those kids who are Islamic bring influenced to go back and fight, despite their parents fleeing, it's the kids who have no ties to Islam or the Middle East being persuaded to potentially die for another way of life.
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Post by kristalina on Aug 29, 2014 15:39:45 GMT
Yes, Allipeas. She and her family moved to Morocco. I tried to contact her when 2peas closed but I never heard back from her. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk OOOOH, I remember they moved to Morocco to work in her dh's parent's school, but I didn't realize it was because of or partly because of anti-Muslimism.
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