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Post by piebaker on Aug 14, 2017 17:12:06 GMT
I want Dany to rescue Jon by bringing the Dragons North of the Wall. Can the dragons fly where it is cold?
I really hope the three Dragon Riders are Dany, Jon and Tyrion. In the books, Tywin Lannister said The Mad King flirted with his wife Joanna when she came to Court and Tyrion was born after the visit. Could Tyrion be another Targaryen?
I hope Jon, Jorah and Tormund survive next week!!!
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Post by cade387 on Aug 14, 2017 17:36:13 GMT
I'm guessing if she brings all three dragons north that one will die. This will keep it as Dany and Jon as the riders.
Are you watching Talk the Thrones (formerly after the Thrones)? I love them.
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Post by grammadee on Aug 14, 2017 17:36:26 GMT
Am I wrong in this? Didn't Littlefinger give Sansa to Ramsey so he could torture her in that horrendous marriage after she trusted Littlefinger to protect her? (1) Since that's the case how can she even tolerate his presence at Winterfell? She's in charge now-kick his ass out! Could it be that he has her fooled that he was totally innocent and had no idea that Ramsey was such a cruel monster. Is she that much of an idiot that she totally believes him. I guess he is extremely manipulative and masterfully good at it that he can fool anyone. I loved this episode too and as another Pea said especially how this season is going but will be super sad when it's over as it's the last one. I go back and forth on liking/hating Dany and last night I was in hate mode. (2) Enough with the damn "bend that knee" crap! She's let power go to her pretty little blonde head and corrupt her mind. Instead of focusing on their world of what might become white walker domination and the end of human existence (with the King of the North right there giving first hand witness of what he's seen), she's worried that if she leaves the piece of land that's she's standing on Cersi might grab it in her absence. I wanted to shake her by the shoulders until the braids in her hair came undone and she gets some sense into her head. Don't you get it Dany?! If you don't use those 3 dragons and join this fight against the white walkers NOW there won't be any humans left to fight over any land with! Get that accomplished first! Kill all of the white walkers-win that war-and then we can relax and decide who gets to be queen or king of what. Ugh! She drives me nuts. But hey, that's what makes great television. She's gonna be in for a rude awaking when it's discovered she's not the Queen after all, isn't she? Ha! Can't wait for that little bomb to drop. Especially after John was able to pet her precious Drogon. I always did like John-from season 1 I've liked him. Would love to see him come out as the King and have those great dragons be his as well. I've thought she didn't deserve them (3) after that season she kept them chained up in the dark dungeon. Who does that to their precious children? I wouldn't do that to my cat or dog! The numbers in the quote are mine. (1) I think Sansa will eventually join Arya in kicking Littlefinger out of the north--or getting rid of him any other way possible. I am hoping his little plot backfires, and the girls begin to work together to do just that. (2) I have no love for Sam Tarley's father and brother. They were horrible to him and switched sides to the Lannisters at the first opportunity when they saw the fall of House Tyrelle. Not sure if their refusal to bend the knee was more honour, stupidity, or more just plain stubbornness: I suspect the last. (3) You would keep your animals chained up or worse if they were killing your neighbours' children. She locked up the dragons after the burnt bones of a child were found. Not sure what any of us would do if it were discovered our children were killing people??? |
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Post by Rhondito on Aug 14, 2017 17:48:23 GMT
Am I wrong in this? Didn't Littlefinger give Sansa to Ramsey so he could torture her in that horrendous marriage after she trusted Littlefinger to protect her? Since that's the case how can she even tolerate his presence at Winterfell? She's in charge now-kick his ass out! Could it be that he has her fooled that he was totally innocent and had no idea that Ramsey was such a cruel monster. Is she that much of an idiot that she totally believes him. I guess he is extremely manipulative and masterfully good at it that he can fool anyone. Oh she knows what he did, but I think she's tolerating him to keep the Knights of the Vale at Winterfell. BUT - they aren't his army, they're under Robin Aryn's rule and I believe he would keep loyal to his Stark cousins without Littlefinger. I want him dead - I just don't know which Stark I want to kill him! |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 15, 2017 0:40:39 GMT
Are you watching Talk the Thrones (formerly after the Thrones)? I love them Where is this at? |
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 15, 2017 0:51:04 GMT
Can the dragons survive the cold of the north?
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Post by cade387 on Aug 15, 2017 1:15:07 GMT
Are you watching Talk the Thrones (formerly after the Thrones)? I love them Where is this at? Google "talk the Thrones" and it will pull up a link to 'The Ringer' on twitter which will then link to their periscope broadcast. I don't have twitter and this works. You can probably follow them right on periscope too. That was just how I found them. |
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 15, 2017 1:50:34 GMT
I want Dany to rescue Jon by bringing the Dragons North of the Wall. Can the dragons fly where it is cold? I really hope the three Dragon Riders are Dany, Jon and Tyrion. In the books, Tywin Lannister said The Mad King flirted with his wife Joanna when she came to Court and Tyrion was born after the visit. Could Tyrion be another Targaryen?I hope Jon, Jorah and Tormund survive next week!!! I decided this was the case when they didn't attack him when he frees the dragons. |
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Post by jillonthehill on Aug 15, 2017 3:08:41 GMT
I've read a lot theories speculating this. If it is true, I wonder how we learn the truth? It must involve Bran in some way.
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 15, 2017 3:43:13 GMT
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Post by beaglemom on Aug 15, 2017 4:13:26 GMT
So I have a question. A friend brought this up when we were talking about it today. In theory, Jon has the best claim to the throne. BUT he died. Does that change anything? Since he died does succession move to Dany?
I love the idea that Tyrion is related to them as well. He is one of my favorites.
I hate Littlefinger. I am worried that Arya is getting too cocky. But I hope that her and Sansa can come together and kick him out, because i can't believe that he has any decentness in him. Maybe having Bran around with his "powers" will help protect the girls from too much trouble.
I was grossed out at the thought that Cersi is pregnant again...no, just no. I can't believe Jamie hasn't seen through her at this point, I really, really hope he kicks her to the curb soon!
I really hope Bron survives and ends up with Tyrion again instead. I don't like him with Jamie.
I'm really sad the next season won't be till 2019. But hope that means that at least the next book will come out before then...not that we won't already know a lot of what happens in it. But I just want to read them all again and get new content!
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Post by grammadee on Aug 15, 2017 4:23:59 GMT
I'm really sad the next season won't be till 2019. But hope that means that at least the next book will come out before then...not that we won't already know a lot of what happens in it. But I just want to read them all again and get new content! I hadn't heard this. Went looking for info. On the HBO Canada site it lists July 10, 2018 as either the start or end date for Season 8. Also the book when it comes out will be different from the TV series. Several plot lines have split between the two already. Will be interesting to see how GRRM ties all the plot lines together If. He. Ever. Finishes. Writing. The Books. Hey George: Winter is Coming!!! Pick up the pace!!! |
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Post by beaglemom on Aug 15, 2017 4:27:47 GMT
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 15, 2017 13:44:47 GMT
So I have a question. A friend brought this up when we were talking about it today. In theory, Jon has the best claim to the throne. BUT he died. Does that change anything? Since he died does succession move to Dany I'm really sad the next season won't be till 2019. But hope that means that at least the next book will come out before then...not that we won't already know a lot of what happens in it. But I just want to read them all again and get new content! Dany also died. So no. No, I believe it's coming out next summer. Where are you seeing 2019? and I don't think he will ever finish the books. I think he gave up ha |
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Post by Rhondito on Aug 15, 2017 13:59:24 GMT
Everything I'm seeing says they don't know the premiere date yet because they don't know how long filming and post production are going to take.
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Post by birukitty on Aug 15, 2017 23:26:03 GMT
Am I wrong in this? Didn't Littlefinger give Sansa to Ramsey so he could torture her in that horrendous marriage after she trusted Littlefinger to protect her? (1) Since that's the case how can she even tolerate his presence at Winterfell? She's in charge now-kick his ass out! Could it be that he has her fooled that he was totally innocent and had no idea that Ramsey was such a cruel monster. Is she that much of an idiot that she totally believes him. I guess he is extremely manipulative and masterfully good at it that he can fool anyone. I loved this episode too and as another Pea said especially how this season is going but will be super sad when it's over as it's the last one. I go back and forth on liking/hating Dany and last night I was in hate mode. (2) Enough with the damn "bend that knee" crap! She's let power go to her pretty little blonde head and corrupt her mind. Instead of focusing on their world of what might become white walker domination and the end of human existence (with the King of the North right there giving first hand witness of what he's seen), she's worried that if she leaves the piece of land that's she's standing on Cersi might grab it in her absence. I wanted to shake her by the shoulders until the braids in her hair came undone and she gets some sense into her head. Don't you get it Dany?! If you don't use those 3 dragons and join this fight against the white walkers NOW there won't be any humans left to fight over any land with! Get that accomplished first! Kill all of the white walkers-win that war-and then we can relax and decide who gets to be queen or king of what. Ugh! She drives me nuts. But hey, that's what makes great television. She's gonna be in for a rude awaking when it's discovered she's not the Queen after all, isn't she? Ha! Can't wait for that little bomb to drop. Especially after John was able to pet her precious Drogon. I always did like John-from season 1 I've liked him. Would love to see him come out as the King and have those great dragons be his as well. I've thought she didn't deserve them (3) after that season she kept them chained up in the dark dungeon. Who does that to their precious children? I wouldn't do that to my cat or dog! The numbers in the quote are mine. (1) I think Sansa will eventually join Arya in kicking Littlefinger out of the north--or getting rid of him any other way possible. I am hoping his little plot backfires, and the girls begin to work together to do just that. (2) I have no love for Sam Tarley's father and brother. They were horrible to him and switched sides to the Lannisters at the first opportunity when they saw the fall of House Tyrelle. Not sure if their refusal to bend the knee was more honour, stupidity, or more just plain stubbornness: I suspect the last. (3) You would keep your animals chained up or worse if they were killing your neighbours' children. She locked up the dragons after the burnt bones of a child were found. Not sure what any of us would do if it were discovered our children were killing people??? 1. Yeah, that makes sense and I think with the writing being how they are working the plot it makes sense that this is the way it will work out. 2. In my mind as far as Sam Tarley's father goes yeah I didn't mind seeing him burn either. My DS said something about his brother not being so bad but I don't remember what it was. As far as not bending the knee in that situation-I told DS "Geez bend the damn knee and cross your fingers behind your back! Honor be damned if you are facing a dragon who's going to burn you to death!" But of course that's not how it works in their world. Honor is huge I suspect. Still it's life or death you are facing. I also suspect a lot of those men bent the knee regardless how they felt to save their own lives. My comment wasn't about Sam's brother and father. It was about Dany's stupidity and power hungry trip she's got going right now instead of opening her mind and eyes and seeing that at this moment there is a much bigger problem-The White Walkers. 3. You've got me there. I totally forgot about the dragons burning up those children. But in my opinion she could have locked them up in a better place than a totally dark dungeon that it appeared she never visited or fed them. I wonder who fed them during that time? At least there could have been some light down there, a nice environment (with up most safety of course) for their growth (you know how dogs have doggy day care?). See what I mean, compared to a totally dark dungeon where they were kept completely shackled down in chains so tightly that they couldn't move. I'm surprised they even like the b*tch at all. |
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Post by birukitty on Aug 15, 2017 23:33:55 GMT
Am I wrong in this? Didn't Littlefinger give Sansa to Ramsey so he could torture her in that horrendous marriage after she trusted Littlefinger to protect her? Since that's the case how can she even tolerate his presence at Winterfell? She's in charge now-kick his ass out! Could it be that he has her fooled that he was totally innocent and had no idea that Ramsey was such a cruel monster. Is she that much of an idiot that she totally believes him. I guess he is extremely manipulative and masterfully good at it that he can fool anyone. Oh she knows what he did, but I think she's tolerating him to keep the Knights of the Vale at Winterfell. BUT - they aren't his army, they're under Robin Aryn's rule and I believe he would keep loyal to his Stark cousins without Littlefinger. I want him dead - I just don't know which Stark I want to kill him! Thanks so much Rhondito. This makes perfect sense. It's hard sometimes to remember everything (especially with my damaged memory). I want Sansa to kill him. I loved when she killed Ramsey-I thought that was such a perfect end to him and I'm sure it gave her a great sense of revenge and restored any loss of self-esteem she might have suffered under his months (years?) of torture. I think he deserves to die if nothing else for the fact that he delivered her into Ramsey's hands with such false pretenses. |
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Post by keesha on Aug 16, 2017 0:27:00 GMT
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Post by jillonthehill on Aug 16, 2017 0:34:23 GMT
I was wondering about this. Did GRRM give the show's producers/writers a basic guideline as to how he envisions it all to happen? Or are we possibly going to get two completely different outcomes? I'm just beginning book 4 and everything has been pretty similar so far. Can't wait to see what some of the differences are.
When did this happen? I must have forgotten.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 16, 2017 1:16:44 GMT
She died on the funeral Pyre with Dhrogo, and her dragons were born. She also came back or doesn't burn the 2nd time she is captured by the Dothraki and she burns down the lodge.
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Post by beaglemom on Aug 16, 2017 1:23:42 GMT
I didn't think she died on the pyre. I think she just sat through the fire.
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Post by chaosisapony on Aug 16, 2017 1:49:11 GMT
I don't remember Dany dying in Khal Drogo's pyre. She comes out with her clothing (and hair maybe?) burned off but unhurt.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 16, 2017 2:20:48 GMT
I think that was interpreted as burned,died and rose like a phoenix from the ashes? hence naked, and born again? I could be wrong though. But ya just don't sit in the middle of a fire.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 16, 2017 2:24:55 GMT
I think that was interpreted as burned,died and rose like a phoenix from the ashes? hence naked, and born again? I could be wrong though. But ya just don't sit in the middle of a fire. Um no. You've missed the whole point. She didn't die. Fire can't kill her. It was a pretty central plot point. |
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Post by chaosisapony on Aug 16, 2017 2:29:25 GMT
I think that was interpreted as burned,died and rose like a phoenix from the ashes? hence naked, and born again? I could be wrong though. But ya just don't sit in the middle of a fire. She didn't die. Fire can't kill her. It was a pretty central plot point.  |
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Post by Amelia Bedelia on Aug 16, 2017 3:43:37 GMT
I was wondering about this. Did GRRM give the show's producers/writers a basic guideline as to how he envisions it all to happen? Or are we possibly going to get two completely different outcomes? I'm just beginning book 4 and everything has been pretty similar so far. Can't wait to see what some of the differences are. When did this happen? I must have forgotten. I remember someone saying the reason the people who are making the show were chosen is because in a meeting, they gave their theory about how it would end and it was close enough to GRRM's ending, that's why he picked them to do it. Honestly, I doubt he'll ever finish the books. He can't live forever, and he seems to stall too often to get them done. There's so much time between books, I forget all the details, and I just don't have it in me to reread them so I can pick up the next one. |
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Post by Rhondito on Aug 16, 2017 16:36:10 GMT
I remember someone saying the reason the people who are making the show were chosen is because in a meeting, they gave their theory about how it would end and it was close enough to GRRM's ending, that's why he picked them to do it. When they approached him about turning the books into an HBO series he was only convinced when they accurately answered his question of 'who is Jon Snow's mother?' (I love that story  ) |
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Aug 16, 2017 21:47:11 GMT
I think that was interpreted as burned,died and rose like a phoenix from the ashes? hence naked, and born again? I could be wrong though. But ya just don't sit in the middle of a fire. One of her titles is 'The Unburnt". And remember when her brother was killed, she said, fire cannot kill a dragon. I wonder if Jon Snow has ever accidentally burnt himself? |
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Post by Zee on Aug 16, 2017 22:14:25 GMT
I was wondering about this. Did GRRM give the show's producers/writers a basic guideline as to how he envisions it all to happen? Or are we possibly going to get two completely different outcomes? I'm just beginning book 4 and everything has been pretty similar so far. Can't wait to see what some of the differences are. When did this happen? I must have forgotten. I remember someone saying the reason the people who are making the show were chosen is because in a meeting, they gave their theory about how it would end and it was close enough to GRRM's ending, that's why he picked them to do it. Honestly, I doubt he'll ever finish the books. He can't live forever, and he seems to stall too often to get them done. There's so much time between books, I forget all the details, and I just don't have it in me to reread them so I can pick up the next one. I think he has no idea how he wants to end them so he just picked the ideas he liked best. |
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Post by Amelia Bedelia on Aug 16, 2017 23:19:49 GMT
I remember someone saying the reason the people who are making the show were chosen is because in a meeting, they gave their theory about how it would end and it was close enough to GRRM's ending, that's why he picked them to do it. Honestly, I doubt he'll ever finish the books. He can't live forever, and he seems to stall too often to get them done. There's so much time between books, I forget all the details, and I just don't have it in me to reread them so I can pick up the next one. I think he has no idea how he wants to end them so he just picked the ideas he liked best. That's another reason I think we might not ever see the final books. Idk if the plan is still 7 books, but he's having a hard enough time finishing things when he's ahead of the show, so I can only imagine how hard it'll be if he wants to change something they do on tv. I'm sure he has a plan, but there are so many details. |
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