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Post by #notLauren on Aug 31, 2017 0:31:26 GMT
OF PUBLIC OPINION.
It's professors from Harvard, Yale and Princeton who have signed a letter rejecting Groupthink and conformism. They proposed open-mindedness and considering the best arguments on both sides of an issue. They state that epithets like "bigotry" are used to often to shut down debate on campuses and they equate secular fundamentalism with religious fundamentalism...because of their beliefs they try to shut down discussion by calling those who disagree with them names.
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Post by pondrunner on Aug 31, 2017 0:54:47 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 31, 2017 1:34:40 GMT
Yes, we see it all the time, day in and day out with this administration, specifically Trump.
And yes, we see it elsewhere. On both sides of the coin.
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 31, 2017 1:42:38 GMT
This guy was talking about what happens on campuses. why are you bringing Trump into it?
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Post by peasapie on Aug 31, 2017 1:49:16 GMT
Wow. I'm surprised to hear that college professors did something right.
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Post by cade387 on Aug 31, 2017 1:53:08 GMT
Isn't that what professors do? Challenge students to think outside of their bubble? That isn't a surprise from anyone I know who went to college. What are they supposed to do indoctrinate folks?
I'm just confused on the point of the OP - there isn't a link or a question or anything. Just kind of stating the obvious?
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 31, 2017 1:55:08 GMT
cade, while I would agree that college *should* challenge students to think for themselves, the reality is often very different. That is the *point* of the OP. Here is a group of professors trying to push students back in that direction rather than succumbing to groupthink.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 31, 2017 2:00:58 GMT
Isn't that what professors do? Challenge students to think outside of their bubble? That isn't a surprise from anyone I know who went to college. What are they supposed to do indoctrinate folks? I'm just confused on the point of the OP - there isn't a link or a question or anything. Just kind of stating the obvious? It hasn't been that way in a long time, unfortunately. |
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Post by LiLi on Aug 31, 2017 2:31:41 GMT
Isn't that what professors do? Challenge students to think outside of their bubble? That isn't a surprise from anyone I know who went to college. What are they supposed to do indoctrinate folks? I'm just confused on the point of the OP - there isn't a link or a question or anything. Just kind of stating the obvious? I think this poster is looking for a fight. Poking until someone pokes back. If I am wrong, forgive me 😊 |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 31, 2017 2:43:52 GMT
I'm always struck by the existence of posters here who know so much about how professors and adjuncts think, what they do or do not extol, how they do or do not promote critical thinking.
They even know more than our members who teach college classes.
Y'all must spend a lot of time on a host of college campuses.
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Post by cade387 on Aug 31, 2017 2:48:50 GMT
Isn't that what professors do? Challenge students to think outside of their bubble? That isn't a surprise from anyone I know who went to college. What are they supposed to do indoctrinate folks? I'm just confused on the point of the OP - there isn't a link or a question or anything. Just kind of stating the obvious? It hasn't been that way in a long time, unfortunately. It has been that way. Dear god you both must be tired from auditing every college professor in America. Whew! For those who have been in the real academic world and not just believing some crazy podcasts this isn't news. |
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 31, 2017 3:17:49 GMT
If this was the "norm" as you suggest, these professors at the top schools in our country wouldn't have felt compelled to issue a statement like this.
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Post by Chips on Aug 31, 2017 3:26:44 GMT
It hasn't been that way in a long time, unfortunately. It has been that way. Dear god you both must be tired from auditing every college professor in America. Whew! For those who have been in the real academic world and not just believing some crazy podcasts this isn't news. From my first hand experiences and as a current (on going) university student, employee of a university, no it has not been that way for over 30 years. Professors are there to teach students a very specific curriculum. Are there open discussions? Yes, but that is not what is taught in the class or what you are graded on. |
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Post by elaine on Aug 31, 2017 3:32:29 GMT
It has been that way. Dear god you both must be tired from auditing every college professor in America. Whew! For those who have been in the real academic world and not just believing some crazy podcasts this isn't news. From my first hand experiences and as a current (on going) university student, employee of a university, no it has not been that way for over 30 years. Professors are there to teach students a very specific curriculum. Are there open discussions? Yes, but that is not what is taught in the class or what you are graded on. Participation in group discussion has been a component of the grading in ALL of the college classes I've taught - 1989-2014. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 3:53:51 GMT
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Post by smasonnc on Aug 31, 2017 12:05:36 GMT
When everyone thinks alike, nobody thinks very much.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 31, 2017 12:07:27 GMT
Isn't that what professors do? Challenge students to think outside of their bubble? That isn't a surprise from anyone I know who went to college. What are they supposed to do indoctrinate folks? I'm just confused on the point of the OP - there isn't a link or a question or anything. Just kind of stating the obvious? That was how it was when I was in college, and how it is now, when my DS is in college. The students are taught to think independently. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 12:58:03 GMT
Fox News is hard for some people to watch, but last night Tucker Carlson had one of the Princeton professors that signed the letter on. He goes more in-depth as to why it was written. Princeton Professor |
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 31, 2017 15:16:30 GMT
I think this poster is looking for a fight. Poking until someone pokes back. If I am wrong, forgive me 😊 You are wrong. Why is the OP here of any less worth or interest than a post made about anything that supports ir is opposed to a liberal viewpoint. You don't like the fact that this post was made and therefore you're trying to shut me down by claiming I'm looking for a fight |
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Post by LiLi on Aug 31, 2017 15:22:08 GMT
You are wrong. Why is the OP here of any less worth or interest than a post made about anything that supports ir is opposed to a liberal viewpoint. You don't like the fact that this post was made and therefore you're trying to shut me down by claiming I'm looking for a fight Well you are wrong, too. I have no problems with posts against the liberal viewpoint, I like to respond and engage in conversation. In fact I am quite moderate. Thank you very much. I don't care what you post. It does appear that you are looking for a fight, whether or not you are. Are you trying to shut me down for my opinion?  |
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 31, 2017 15:24:34 GMT
To be fair, that verse could mean multiple things. As could most verses. It is that author who is portraying it as a closed mind. And just because some author writes it doesn't mean it represents all participants in a religion. I'm not up to a debate today, overwhelmed by family and friends fighting the floods, but I felt the need to say this. I understand if you disagree, I enjoy you posts Zinger. |
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Post by maryannscraps on Aug 31, 2017 15:25:08 GMT
I don't understand why the letter is even news. I think students tend to be very idealistic, and it helps to remind them to keep an open mind. It reminds me of students in my DD's college literature class who refused to read assigned books because they dealt with themes of fantasy and witchcraft. It also reminds me of my niece who screamed "racism" at her grandmother for not using a PC word (honestly, she had no intent of being racist and was using language from the 1980s, not the 1940s).
I think all viewpoints should be examined for merit before dismissing them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 15:28:42 GMT
Well you are wrong, too. I have no problems with posts against the liberal viewpoint, I like to respond and engage in conversation. In fact I am quite moderate. Thank you very much. I don't care what you post. It does appear that you are looking for a fight, whether or not you are. Are you trying to shut me down for my opinion? How is the OP, along with the letter itself, against liberal viewpoints? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 15:30:08 GMT
To be fair, that verse could mean multiple things. As could most verses. It is that author who is portraying it as a closed mind. And just because some author writes it doesn't mean it represents all participants in a religion. I'm not up to a debate today, overwhelmed by family and friends fighting the floods, but I felt the need to say this. I understand if you disagree, I enjoy you posts Zinger. No need for debate. Just an interesting juxtaposition of universities - which strive to teach critical thinking. And many churches, which strive biblical thinking over critical thinking. Thank you for all that you are doing to fight the flood and its aftermath. Please be safe. If it were in my power, I would blink the water away and make all things whole for you and all those who have been affected. |
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Post by LiLi on Aug 31, 2017 15:38:10 GMT
Well you are wrong, too. I have no problems with posts against the liberal viewpoint, I like to respond and engage in conversation. In fact I am quite moderate. Thank you very much. I don't care what you post. It does appear that you are looking for a fight, whether or not you are. Are you trying to shut me down for my opinion? How is the OP, along with the letter itself, against liberal viewpoints? That isn't what I stated here. You misunderstood  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 15:42:06 GMT
How is the OP, along with the letter itself, against liberal viewpoints? That isn't what I stated here. You misunderstood Oops, you're right. I had to reread to see what I missed, saw what your comment was in reference to. My apologies.  |
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 31, 2017 15:57:24 GMT
Well you are wrong, too. I have no problems with posts against the liberal viewpoint, I like to respond and engage in conversation. In fact I am quite moderate. Thank you very much. I don't care what you post. It does appear that you are looking for a fight, whether or not you are. Are you trying to shut me down for my opinion? Well, it appears you are looking for a fight yourself and that you *are* trying to stop people from posting things you don't like by making false allegations about them. The OP merely is stating something that's in the news. If that looks to you like trying to start a fight, then I suggest you have a warped sense of what a fight is. ETA...I see that I also misread what your original post about fighting was in reference to. My apologies. |
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Post by LiLi on Aug 31, 2017 16:03:17 GMT
Well you are wrong, too. I have no problems with posts against the liberal viewpoint, I like to respond and engage in conversation. In fact I am quite moderate. Thank you very much. I don't care what you post. It does appear that you are looking for a fight, whether or not you are. Are you trying to shut me down for my opinion? Well, it appears you are looking for a fight yourself and that you *are* trying to stop people from posting things you don't like by making false allegations about them. The OP merely is stating something that's in the news. If that looks to you like trying to start a fight, then I suggest you have a warped sense of what a fight is. I was just responding to you in kind, with a little teasing added. Poking back, if you will. *poke poke*  Definitely not trying to stop anyone from posting anything. |
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