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Post by Olan on Aug 31, 2017 19:47:13 GMT
I think we should acknowledge the definitive proof that shows racism is more pervasive than many would like to believe. I've asked this a time or time before but where did all the racists go? Who did they raise? Do you think a man who could rape another human being and consider the offspring property didn't pass those same views down to his son? What did America do to reprogram itself? I just don't agree that we can conclude that because John Doe is a racist that means his children are/will be as well. You're right. I think we know there are different motives for racism. Each motive provides a different type of racist. There are a large number of peas who acklowedge their fathers have racist ideals but don't view themselves that way. I would imagine their dads are a lot like the older white men I grew up with. They are intimidated by the physical characteristics of black men so the insecurity really drives the racist ideal. It manifests itself in mostly harmless ways unless they have a position of authority. Which unfortunately many of them do. Those guys usually have a black son in law or it skips a generation and it's the grandchild. Or they are lucky and have Olan for a weekly dinner guest. I could tell you about a really uncomfortable conversation I had with a dad who declared me his daughters favorite friend because I didn't have any brothers. This is of course only one black womans experience but I could write a book about that type of racist Then you have men who truly believe themselves superior to everyone else and think they need to protect white women/culture from "xyz". I only say xyz because they are always wrong so they just keep coming up with a new boogie man. That type of think is absolutely passed down. As is the power and generational wealth that no one wants to un-ass. I don't think it's conducive to argue with anyone just how pervasive racism is when there are so many current real life examples of it. |
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 31, 2017 20:17:53 GMT
They are intimidated by the physical characteristics of black men so the insecurity really drives the racist ideal. i don't understand what you mean by this? what are the differing physical characteristics? gina |
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Post by peasapie on Aug 31, 2017 20:47:50 GMT
You're right. I think we know there are different motives for racism. Each motive provides a different type of racist. There are a large number of peas who acklowedge their fathers have racist ideals but don't view themselves that way. I would imagine their dads are a lot like the older white men I grew up with. They are intimidated by the physical characteristics of black men so the insecurity really drives the racist ideal. It manifests itself in mostly harmless ways unless they have a position of authority. Which unfortunately many of them do. Those guys usually have a black son in law or it skips a generation and it's the grandchild. Or they are lucky and have Olan for a weekly dinner guest. I could tell you about a really uncomfortable conversation I had with a dad who declared me his daughters favorite friend because I didn't have any brothers. This is of course only one black womans experience but I could write a book about that type of racist Then you have men who truly believe themselves superior to everyone else and think they need to protect white women/culture from "xyz". I only say xyz because they are always wrong so they just keep coming up with a new boogie man. That type of think is absolutely passed down. As is the power and generational wealth that no one wants to un-ass. I don't think it's conducive to argue with anyone just how pervasive racism is when there are so many current real life examples of it. I'm confused. These are racist white men with black son-in-laws or grandchildren? |
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Post by Olan on Aug 31, 2017 21:11:51 GMT
You're right. I think we know there are different motives for racism. Each motive provides a different type of racist. There are a large number of peas who acklowedge their fathers have racist ideals but don't view themselves that way. I would imagine their dads are a lot like the older white men I grew up with. They are intimidated by the physical characteristics of black men so the insecurity really drives the racist ideal. It manifests itself in mostly harmless ways unless they have a position of authority. Which unfortunately many of them do. Those guys usually have a black son in law or it skips a generation and it's the grandchild. Or they are lucky and have Olan for a weekly dinner guest. I could tell you about a really uncomfortable conversation I had with a dad who declared me his daughters favorite friend because I didn't have any brothers. This is of course only one black womans experience but I could write a book about that type of racist Then you have men who truly believe themselves superior to everyone else and think they need to protect white women/culture from "xyz". I only say xyz because they are always wrong so they just keep coming up with a new boogie man. That type of think is absolutely passed down. As is the power and generational wealth that no one wants to un-ass. I don't think it's conducive to argue with anyone just how pervasive racism is when there are so many current real life examples of it. I'm confused. These are racist white men with black son-in-laws or grandchildren? I believe so. As I said I could write a book about this particular type of racist because I have several personal experiences to draw from. Whenever I tend to share anything personal it's picked apart. People pluck it out of the soup instead of eating the whole bite if that makes any sense. Whenever I write that book the peas will be the first I hawk it to. Trust. It's only my opinion that insecurity drives hate. As does fear. Another example of this insecurity and how it manifests as racist thought is the idea that economic security is only possible with Republican policies/legislation. White men aren't keen on competing for all the wealth and power. Women should recognize this as it directly impacts your economic stability as well. The idea that there isn't enough for everyone is exactly what got a lot of the "I wanted to shake things up but I am not racist, homophobic, etc" people out to vote this last election. Fear that America is changing and leaving them behind. Again an insecurity. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 21:58:18 GMT
He was attempting to de-escalate a situation involving an uncooperative passenger. In context, his comments were clearly aimed at attempting to gain compliance by using the passenger’s own statements and reasoning to avoid making an arrest.”  Holy mother of god is that his reasoning. How despicable both what he said and his reason for saying it and he's still employed?....beggars belief!!
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Post by mom26 on Aug 31, 2017 22:08:43 GMT
It was just reported on my local news that the officer has been fired.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 31, 2017 22:31:29 GMT
It was just reported on my local news that the officer has been fired. That's gives me some faith that progress can be made. Because 20 years ago there was no way. BUT there's an issue in that department if he felt he could say that at all! |
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Post by birukitty on Aug 31, 2017 22:46:47 GMT
It was just reported on my local news that the officer has been fired. Yippee! They finally got it right. Who knows what this officer would have done had he been left on the force with an attitude like that in the future? I just finished reading an amazing novel about this topic called "The Hate U Give" by Angie Thomas. It's listed as YA (young adult) fiction. It's about a 16 year old African American girl (Starr) who lives in a poor neighborhood with her family but attends a fancy prep school in a suburban neighborhood. "The uneasy balance between these two worlds is shattered when Starr witnesses the fatal shooting of her childhood best friend Khalil at the hands of a police officer". Even though it is a fiction book it gave me an inside look into the world I know nothing about as a white woman. I highly recommend it. |
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Post by busy on Aug 31, 2017 23:10:07 GMT
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Post by 16joy on Aug 31, 2017 23:17:52 GMT
The current police chief was hired in June. A previous AJC article said he wasn't aware of the stop until it was brought to his attention Monday. today it's reported that he is being fired. Paraphrasing The statement online said he (chief) doesn't know what's in his heart, but his (officer) actions are not tolerated...
This reminds me that I forgot to start a thread about the students who played nazis against the Jews beer pong. At the point that hit the news some kids were suspended and one was expelled.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 31, 2017 23:23:13 GMT
This reminds me that I forgot to start a thread about the students who played nazis against the Jews beer pong. At the point that hit the news some kids were suspended and one was expelled. Again? I mean currently? Because I've heard that before and students were suspended then. So one would think that it would stop. |
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Post by annabella on Aug 31, 2017 23:33:13 GMT
Sounds like it was only a problem when it hit the media. The man resigned before he could be fired. I guess that saves his pension. The irony is the other officers didn't get fired for killing black people.
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Post by 16joy on Aug 31, 2017 23:44:49 GMT
Hop2- the beer pong story hit a week or two ago. Is that the one you're referring to or is this one you hadn't heard about?
the original article I read about the police officer said the driver filed a suit and that's why the officer's body camera was looked into
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Post by hop2 on Sept 1, 2017 0:03:32 GMT
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Post by *KAS* on Sept 1, 2017 0:18:17 GMT
Chief Mike Register announced the firing Thursday afternoon, saying, “I have known Lt. (Greg) Abbott for years and perceived him as honorable, but he’s made a mistake. I don’t know what is in his heart, but I know what came out of his mouth. We recommend that he be terminated and we are moving forward on that.”
(He resigned before they could fire him).
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Post by inkedup on Sept 1, 2017 0:20:39 GMT
Holy shit. It's abhorrent enough this happened once. What is,wrong with people? How could any thinking person find this acceptable?? |
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Post by *KAS* on Sept 1, 2017 0:22:55 GMT
Sounds like it was only a problem when it hit the media. The man resigned before he could be fired. I guess that saves his pension. The irony is the other officers didn't get fired for killing black people. The current police chief who fired him became police chief in June of this year. I'd be willing to bet he wasn't aware of it until this week and moved quickly. |
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Post by Olan on Sept 1, 2017 0:42:56 GMT
It was just reported on my local news that the officer has been fired. Yippee! They finally got it right. Who knows what this officer would have done had he been left on the force with an attitude like that in the future? I just finished reading an amazing novel about this topic called "The Hate U Give" by Angie Thomas. It's listed as YA (young adult) fiction. It's about a 16 year old African American girl (Starr) who lives in a poor neighborhood with her family but attends a fancy prep school in a suburban neighborhood. "The uneasy balance between these two worlds is shattered when Starr witnesses the fatal shooting of her childhood best friend Khalil at the hands of a police officer". Even though it is a fiction book it gave me an inside look into the world I know nothing about as a white woman. I highly recommend it. I will share that title with a friend. Thanks! |
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Post by peasapie on Sept 1, 2017 1:19:22 GMT
I'm confused. These are racist white men with black son-in-laws or grandchildren? I believe so. As I said I could write a book about this particular type of racist because I have several personal experiences to draw from. Whenever I tend to share anything personal it's picked apart. People pluck it out of the soup instead of eating the whole bite if that makes any sense. Whenever I write that book the peas will be the first I hawk it to. Trust. It's only my opinion that insecurity drives hate. As does fear. Another example of this insecurity and how it manifests as racist thought is the idea that economic security is only possible with Republican policies/legislation. White men aren't keen on competing for all the wealth and power. Women should recognize this as it directly impacts your economic stability as well. The idea that there isn't enough for everyone is exactly what got a lot of the "I wanted to shake things up but I am not racist, homophobic, etc" people out to vote this last election. Fear that America is changing and leaving them behind. Again an insecurity. I absolutely agree with this. Fear is what drove this election and ignorance feeds racism. I'm disappointed that, with all the candidates the Republican party had available, they chose this donkey as top dog. |
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Post by birukitty on Sept 1, 2017 2:56:02 GMT
Yippee! They finally got it right. Who knows what this officer would have done had he been left on the force with an attitude like that in the future? I just finished reading an amazing novel about this topic called "The Hate U Give" by Angie Thomas. It's listed as YA (young adult) fiction. It's about a 16 year old African American girl (Starr) who lives in a poor neighborhood with her family but attends a fancy prep school in a suburban neighborhood. "The uneasy balance between these two worlds is shattered when Starr witnesses the fatal shooting of her childhood best friend Khalil at the hands of a police officer". Even though it is a fiction book it gave me an inside look into the world I know nothing about as a white woman. I highly recommend it. I will share that title with a friend. Thanks! You're welcome. I think it is a very important book that should be read by everyone. You can check out the reviews on goodreads.com |
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Post by Olan on Oct 23, 2019 0:49:04 GMT
For posterity when someone undoubtedly complains about the bumping threads Whatever floats your boat.... No sense of responsibility to see here folks |
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Holy mother of god is that his reasoning. How despicable both what he said and his reason for saying it and he's still employed?....beggars belief!!
