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Post by Olan on Aug 31, 2017 11:28:44 GMT
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Aug 31, 2017 11:30:36 GMT
That comment and attitude is beyond horrific.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 31, 2017 11:46:23 GMT
Thank you for linking the previous thread as I missed it. I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
As for that officer in the story, WTF! that's not an acceptable attitude for being human much less being an LEO which is supposed to be better. He should be fired.
But I'll say this, was that Cobb county GA? If so, I'm not surprised really, I have personal issues with the police in a couple of places in GA, Cobb county being one of them. Issues going back to when I was 14. However I guess I mistakenly thought the modern day of cameras everywhere would have curtailed them from hiring and keeping such people on the force. Guess not. It is the single reason I refused to move to Ga when DH's company wanted to move him there. Who the heck wants to live in a community where you can't trust law enforcement.
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 31, 2017 11:57:10 GMT
Holy crap! Just reading what he said, I am taking it as a sarcastic jab at those who are actually bringing to light the problem of police brutality amongst minorities rather than some kind of confession AND I find that just as horrific as if it were some kind of confession because he seems to be making light of the problem and those who are actually suffering as a result of the very real issue. He certainly has no place wearing a badge of authority because it is officers like him, with no compassion for people of a different skin color and the current situation causing them to be fearful, that do indeed end up shooting first and asking questions later.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 31, 2017 12:15:53 GMT
what an idiot
i read that newstory this morning
his attempt at being glib was a big time failure
i hope he's fired
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 31, 2017 12:17:45 GMT
Once again, I have no words...
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Post by Olan on Aug 31, 2017 12:32:12 GMT
Thank you for linking the previous thread as I missed it. I'm sorry you had to deal with that. As for that officer in the story, WTF! that's not an acceptable attitude for being human much less being an LEO which is supposed to be better. He should be fired. But I'll say this, was that Cobb county GA? If so, I'm not surprised really, I have personal issues with the police in a couple of places in GA, Cobb county being one of them. Issues going back to when I was 14. However I guess I mistakenly thought the modern day of cameras everywhere would have curtailed them from hiring and keeping such people on the force. Guess not. It is the single reason I refused to move to Ga when DH's company wanted to move him there. Who the heck wants to live in a community where you can't trust law enforcement. Yes it was Cobb County. The gentlemen (unsure of his job title) who is interviewed after the dash cam video finishes up reminds me of the stereotypical image we see when society makes light of racism. He basically says Cobb County doesn't hold the same views that the veteran officer share but it didn't sound convincing at all. And thank you the "Police Speak Less Respectfully..." thread is one a lot of white people could stand to examine. I've had several intrusive message requests since that thread where someone who is either Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling or knows Elaine attempts to shame me for "trying to ruin a philanthropist like Elaine. She has yet to apologize though I am pretty confident she doesn't think I deserve one. |
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Post by peasapie on Aug 31, 2017 12:36:45 GMT
Was that supposed to be a joke? It sounds like the kind of sarcasm I hear from some of my family members who like to pretend they aren't racist and who feel the world is actually stacked against whites. The "joke" that isn't actually a joke.
If it's any consolation, many of us white folks are afraid to call the police, too. Look at what happened to the woman from Australia.
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Post by Olan on Aug 31, 2017 12:38:55 GMT
Was that supposed to be a joke? It sounds like the kind of sarcasm I hear from some of my family members who like to pretend they aren't racist and who feel the world is actually stacked against whites. The "joke" that isn't actually a joke. If it's any consolation, many of us white folks are afraid to call the police, too. Look at what happened to the woman from Australia. It is of no consolation to me that anyone is afraid to call the police. |
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 31, 2017 12:40:43 GMT
And another thought... I am GLAD he ran his mouth and said it, it gives his superiors a chance to (hopefully) get him off the street before his racism becomes lethal. I just hope TPTB seizes the opportunity.
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 31, 2017 12:48:42 GMT
Was that supposed to be a joke? It sounds like the kind of sarcasm I hear from some of my family members who like to pretend they aren't racist and who feel the world is actually stacked against whites. The "joke" that isn't actually a joke. If it's any consolation, many of us white folks are afraid to call the police, too. Look at what happened to the woman from Australia. It is of no consolation to me that anyone is afraid to call the police. I am not going to lie, and this isn't meant to diminish anyone else's fear, white or black, but the truth is, this white girl has never been afraid and still is not afraid to call/ encounter the police, ever. Nor is any white law abiding person I know. The very (legitimate) fact that law abiding (because lets face it, I think we would prefer criminals have that fear) block people feel that fear is abhorrent and frankly outside of my ability to accept as a reasonable side effect of having police protection. |
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Post by *KAS* on Aug 31, 2017 12:48:53 GMT
Yes, Cobb County,GA. The only place I've ever had a bad experience with police. It was 20 years ago and I've never forgotten it. I'm white and he was white but if I told the story without that detail, you'd likely assume it was racial.
I guess he was trying to be sarcastic? Big, fat fail.
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Post by Olan on Aug 31, 2017 12:51:39 GMT
And another thought... I am GLAD he ran his mouth and said it, it gives his superiors a chance to (hopefully) get him off the street before his racism becomes lethal. I just hope TPTB seizes the opportunity. I don't think he will be fired. He was given desk duty. He has something like 28 years (imagine the number of black citizens he has interacted with in almost 3 decades) on the force so I think his department will do everything they can to ensure he walks away with his retirement and minimal backlash from this. I have to call 4-6 days per week to ensure Welby Burgone is still suspended. It's about a 45min commitment. |
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 31, 2017 12:56:31 GMT
And another thought... I am GLAD he ran his mouth and said it, it gives his superiors a chance to (hopefully) get him off the street before his racism becomes lethal. I just hope TPTB seizes the opportunity. I don't think he will be fired. He was given desk duty. He has something like 28 years (imagine the number of black citizens he has interacted with in almost 3 decades) on the force so I think his department will do everything they can to ensure he walks away with his retirement and minimal backlash from this. I have to call 4-6 days per week to ensure Welby Burgone is still suspended. It's about a 45min commitment. Share with me about Welby Burgone. I am just coming off a media break and don't recognize the name. |
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Post by Olan on Aug 31, 2017 13:04:56 GMT
I don't think he will be fired. He was given desk duty. He has something like 28 years (imagine the number of black citizens he has interacted with in almost 3 decades) on the force so I think his department will do everything they can to ensure he walks away with his retirement and minimal backlash from this. I have to call 4-6 days per week to ensure Welby Burgone is still suspended. It's about a 45min commitment. Share with me about Welby Burgone. I am just coming off a media break and don't recognize the name. It's not local to me but I lived in AA County before moving to Hawaii. baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/05/22/inappropriate-facebook-post/amp/Some news articles have screenshots of the Facebook dialogue. He and 2 other classmates are basically giving their classmate an "attaboy" for killing a black man. Here is the thread I started about the trial: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/64426/crime-charges-sean-urbanskiAlso the number to call is 410-222-8670 Rhonda Ostis she absolutely hates me!! 8784, 8681, 8673, |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 31, 2017 13:51:21 GMT
His comments were so wrong on every level. How can anyone even begin to think that's okay?
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 31, 2017 14:44:35 GMT
I couldn't find the interaction in the article you posted but did google it. How disgusting! He is still working within the department? Who is Rhonda Ostis? What position does she hold? I am willing to place a call. |
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Post by jenb72 on Aug 31, 2017 14:52:13 GMT
Thank you for linking the previous thread as I missed it. I'm sorry you had to deal with that. As for that officer in the story, WTF! that's not an acceptable attitude for being human much less being an LEO which is supposed to be better. He should be fired. But I'll say this, was that Cobb county GA? If so, I'm not surprised really, I have personal issues with the police in a couple of places in GA, Cobb county being one of them. Issues going back to when I was 14. However I guess I mistakenly thought the modern day of cameras everywhere would have curtailed them from hiring and keeping such people on the force. Guess not. It is the single reason I refused to move to Ga when DH's company wanted to move him there. Who the heck wants to live in a community where you can't trust law enforcement. Please don't judge an entire state based on one community. That's hardly fair. I've lived in GA most of my life (both above and below the perimeter - and yes, even in Cobb County) and this behavior is not typical for most of our GA officers. Jen |
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Post by Olan on Aug 31, 2017 14:54:49 GMT
I couldn't find the interaction in the article you posted but did google it. How disgusting! He is still working within the department? Who is Rhonda Ostis? What position does she hold? I am willing to place a call. I am assuming she works in HR when I call AACPD they will often times pass the buck to her. 25% of the time she is a bit slow in recognizing my voice and is extremely pleasant. Today she was horrid and refused to provide the status of his employment. Today she gave me a new number off the top of my head I believe it's 7595. 410-222-7595. I think the important thing is they hear someone inquiring each day so they don't quietly give him his job back. I know my all vs some tends to split hairs but the number of police officers that feel like Burgone and the Cobb County officer are higher than many would like to believe. During the first weeks I was calling I would press 4 then ask to speak with communications department. If I am being honest, the way that they handled my calls made me feel a bad about bothering them each day. A male voice would usually hear mine and say a nice "He isn't sitting next to me today" before hanging up. |
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Post by Olan on Aug 31, 2017 14:55:30 GMT
Thank you for linking the previous thread as I missed it. I'm sorry you had to deal with that. As for that officer in the story, WTF! that's not an acceptable attitude for being human much less being an LEO which is supposed to be better. He should be fired. But I'll say this, was that Cobb county GA? If so, I'm not surprised really, I have personal issues with the police in a couple of places in GA, Cobb county being one of them. Issues going back to when I was 14. However I guess I mistakenly thought the modern day of cameras everywhere would have curtailed them from hiring and keeping such people on the force. Guess not. It is the single reason I refused to move to Ga when DH's company wanted to move him there. Who the heck wants to live in a community where you can't trust law enforcement. Please don't judge an entire state based on one community. That's hardly fair. I've lived in GA most of my life (both above and below the perimeter - and yes, even in Cobb County) and this behavior is not typical for most of our GA officers. Jen May I respectfully ask how you can make such a declarative statement? |
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 31, 2017 15:02:20 GMT
I couldn't find the interaction in the article you posted but did google it. How disgusting! He is still working within the department? Who is Rhonda Ostis? What position does she hold? I am willing to place a call. I am assuming she works in HR when I call AACPD they will often times pass the buck to her. 25% of the time she is a bit slow in recognizing my voice and is extremely pleasant. Today she was horrid and refused to provide the status of his employment. Today she gave me a new number off the top of my head I believe it's 7595. 410-222-7595. I think the important thing is they hear someone inquiring each day so they don't quietly give him his job back. I know my all vs some tends to split hairs but the number of police officers that feel like Burgone and the Cobb County officer are higher than many would like to believe. During the first weeks I was calling I would press 4 then ask to speak with communications department. If I am being honest, the way that they handled my calls made me feel a bad about bothering them each day. A male voice would usually hear mine and say a nice "He isn't sitting next to me today" before hanging up. Thank you for the numbers. I will make an effort to call a few times a week as well. |
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Post by Olan on Aug 31, 2017 15:29:37 GMT
I am assuming she works in HR when I call AACPD they will often times pass the buck to her. 25% of the time she is a bit slow in recognizing my voice and is extremely pleasant. Today she was horrid and refused to provide the status of his employment. Today she gave me a new number off the top of my head I believe it's 7595. 410-222-7595. I think the important thing is they hear someone inquiring each day so they don't quietly give him his job back. I know my all vs some tends to split hairs but the number of police officers that feel like Burgone and the Cobb County officer are higher than many would like to believe. During the first weeks I was calling I would press 4 then ask to speak with communications department. If I am being honest, the way that they handled my calls made me feel a bad about bothering them each day. A male voice would usually hear mine and say a nice "He isn't sitting next to me today" before hanging up. Thank you for the numbers. I will make an effort to call a few times a week as well. I really appreciate it! Thanks! |
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Post by gina on Aug 31, 2017 15:32:17 GMT
That's appalling.
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Post by quiltedbrain on Aug 31, 2017 15:40:06 GMT
With so much overwhelming evidence, of which this video is just a part of, I do not understand how other white people can continue to deny that there is a problem of racism within our police forces! What the officer in the video says is wrong, and they way his police chief tried to explain away what the officer was trying to do shows that it is indicative of a larger problem for them.
I was pulled over in SC by a black state trooper a few years ago for speeding, which was deserved because I was speeding. While it was happening and to this day, I acknowledge that I never once feared for my or my DD's life (she was with me at the time), but the same could not be said if our skin colors were reversed. That, my friends, is just one aspect of white privilege and it's a damn shame.
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Post by MaryMary on Aug 31, 2017 16:02:52 GMT
What the hell??!
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 31, 2017 16:06:18 GMT
There are idiot racists in police agencies and in the population at large. The problem I have though is it seems that this fact is always used to cast a broader net about racism in this country that is never used for any other issue or group. For example, we're repeatedly told that because there are radical Muslims shouldn't mean that we say all Muslims are terrorists or the fact that there are violent members of the left (or right) shouldn't be used to throw that label on all people who support similar issues. It seems to me however, that when it comes to racism, the attitude is that if one person anywhere is a racist, then all people in similar roles are also.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 31, 2017 16:13:13 GMT
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Post by Olan on Aug 31, 2017 16:13:48 GMT
There are idiot racists in police agencies and in the population at large. The problem I have though is it seems that this fact is always used to cast a broader net about racism in this country that is never used for any other issue or group. For example, we're repeatedly told that because there are radical Muslims shouldn't mean that we say all Muslims are terrorists or the fact that there are violent members of the left (or right) shouldn't be used to throw that label on all people who support similar issues. It seems to me however, that when it comes to racism, the attitude is that if one person anywhere is a racist, then all people in similar roles are also. I think we should acknowledge the definitive proof that shows racism is more pervasive than many would like to believe. I've asked this a time or time before but where did all the racists go? Who did they raise? Do you think a man who could rape another human being and consider the offspring property didn't pass those same views down to his son? What did America do to reprogram itself? |
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 31, 2017 16:19:37 GMT
There are idiot racists in police agencies and in the population at large. The problem I have though is it seems that this fact is always used to cast a broader net about racism in this country that is never used for any other issue or group. For example, we're repeatedly told that because there are radical Muslims shouldn't mean that we say all Muslims are terrorists or the fact that there are violent members of the left (or right) shouldn't be used to throw that label on all people who support similar issues. It seems to me however, that when it comes to racism, the attitude is that if one person anywhere is a racist, then all people in similar roles are also. Who is saying all white people or even all white officers are racist? All I see is a call of attention to the fact that racism is STILL a very real issue today, in 2017, in our society and a big issue in our police force. It is frustrating to see people still denying it exists and explaining away specific incidences. Not too long ago I was guilty of the same, because to me, it was incomprehensible to that anyone paid to uphold our laws and provide us with safety could be like that but for me the point of deniability is long been past. I will let Olan speak for herself, but as much as her posts make us bristle sometimes, I don't believe that her message has ever been all white people and all white officers are racist. Her message to ME seems to be, "it is there, it exists much more than people are willing to realize and admit and hey, please, help me do something to make it change". |
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Post by #notLauren on Aug 31, 2017 18:42:01 GMT
There are idiot racists in police agencies and in the population at large. The problem I have though is it seems that this fact is always used to cast a broader net about racism in this country that is never used for any other issue or group. For example, we're repeatedly told that because there are radical Muslims shouldn't mean that we say all Muslims are terrorists or the fact that there are violent members of the left (or right) shouldn't be used to throw that label on all people who support similar issues. It seems to me however, that when it comes to racism, the attitude is that if one person anywhere is a racist, then all people in similar roles are also. I think we should acknowledge the definitive proof that shows racism is more pervasive than many would like to believe. I've asked this a time or time before but where did all the racists go? Who did they raise? Do you think a man who could rape another human being and consider the offspring property didn't pass those same views down to his son? What did America do to reprogram itself? I just don't agree that we can conclude that because John Doe is a racist that means his children are/will be as well. |
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