AnotherPea
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 2, 2017 1:43:39 GMT
I don't understand this. I really don't. From what I can tell the gun prevented injury. No one got seriously hurt because the gun stopped the nonsense. We can postulate all day about what could have happened because of the gun. What we KNOW, however, is that one woman was being assaulted by two others and that the assault stopped when a gun was drawn. It is much more likely that an injury would have occurred if the gun had not been drawn, than if/when it had/did. I personally don't think anyone should be carrying a gun in a store. I think they make people less safe, not more. If someone is going to pull a gun and be prepared to use it, the situation better be serious. I don't think a notebook or someone pulling hair is serious enough to threaten someone's life. The mother could have screamed or knocked something over and most likely that would have also shocked the others and ended the situation. The fact that they are willing to get into a conflict over a notebook that probably cost less than a dollar indicates to me that them having a gun is not in the best interest of the public. And the fact that two women are physically ganging up on one because of a notebook indicates to me that knocking a lamp over won't distract them from their attack.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 2, 2017 1:48:40 GMT
I personally don't think anyone should be carrying a gun in a store. I think they make people less safe, not more. If someone is going to pull a gun and be prepared to use it, the situation better be serious. I don't think a notebook or someone pulling hair is serious enough to threaten someone's life. The mother could have screamed or knocked something over and most likely that would have also shocked the others and ended the situation. The fact that they are willing to get into a conflict over a notebook that probably cost less than a dollar indicates to me that them having a gun is not in the best interest of the public. And the fact that two women are physically ganging up on one because of a notebook indicates to me that knocking a lamp over won't distract them from their attack. They noticed when she pulled the gun. Who is to say that a scream or some other distraction wouldn't have worked as well? We also don't know that they were "ganging up" on her. If someone you love was in a fight with another person and your loved one pulled the other persons hair and a friend of the other person pulled a gun, how would you feel about that? What if the other person shot and killed your loved one? Over a $notebook and pulled hair. Would you think it was justified from that point of view? My point is that it isn't worth it from either point of view. They should have all handled the situation differently, but pulling a gun does not seem responsible given what we know.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 2:18:00 GMT
And the fact that two women are physically ganging up on one because of a notebook indicates to me that knocking a lamp over won't distract them from their attack. They noticed when she pulled the gun. Who is to say that a scream or some other distraction wouldn't have worked as well? We also don't know that they were "ganging up" on her. If someone you love was in a fight with another person and your loved one pulled the other persons hair and a friend of the other person pulled a gun, how would you feel about that? What if the other person shot and killed your loved one? Over a $notebook and pulled hair. Would you think it was justified from that point of view? My point is that it isn't worth it from either point of view. They should have all handled the situation differently, but pulling a gun does not seem responsible given what we know. From the article: "At that point the 20 year old, ended up on the ground being assaulted by the 2 women." is a lot different than just getting your hair pulled.
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Post by melanell on Sept 2, 2017 2:22:10 GMT
I wasn't there so I can't be positive...but I want to put it out there... nobody pulled a gun because of a notebook. Someone pulled a gun because her child was being assaulted. I understand that and I agree that she definitely pulled the gun because her child was being hurt. I just meant that whatever happened in the very, very beginning between the 3 women (not the mom) was over a notebook. If they hadn't all fought over a notebook we never would have arrived at the point where the mom was pulling a gun. It's ridiculous to me that anyone put their hands on another person over some lined paper. Whether the hair pulling came first or the younger woman grabbed the book from the hands of the other 2 women, all of that boiled down to a notebook. Save
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Post by peano on Sept 2, 2017 4:03:39 GMT
Oy fucking vey. We live on different planets... Only pussies walk away from conflict. Amirite? Only shitty mothers allow people to continue attacking their daughters. And only assholes think that's ok. Amirite? Only shitty mothers think the solution to conflict over a frigging notebook involves use of a deadly weapon that could possibly injure or kill said child or innocent bystanders in a store. Signed, Proud Asshole
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Sept 2, 2017 5:39:17 GMT
The Mom with the drawn gun, adrenaline pumping and all, would need to be the best trained, most preternaturally steady head and handed shot that ever was, to know that her own kid and every other innocent person would come out of this safe. This is arrogance, sheer arrogance.
In addition to arrogant lack of concern for what guns can do in a public place, the two alleged attackers are, so far, only guilty of being jerks, and even in America under 45, there is no judge, jury and death sentence thing allowed to be summarily meted out to jerks, is there?
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 2, 2017 9:15:31 GMT
The mother pulled the gun when here arm was swatted while trying to protect her daughter. Why didn't she try to physically push her daughter away, or continue to block the attack on her daughter? She took the time to physically drop her purse and pull the gun.
pull my hair, swat my arm equals pull my gun. Nice conflict resolution and coping skills, and a fine example for her daughter. And this was not a child, but a 20 year old adult.
No one was right in this situation, but pulling the gun is not the answer. this was not life and death, until the gun came out.
I can't decide what is more disgusting, the actions, or the defenses of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 9:57:30 GMT
I wasn't there so I can't be positive...but I want to put it out there... nobody pulled a gun because of a notebook. Someone pulled a gun because her child was being assaulted. You don't just walk away when your kid is being hurt. Sensible people walk away before there is a chance of your child being assaulted...... like at the moment the argument starts. Both the Mum and the daughter should have walked away, let the notebook go if they had it first. the minute the other two started showing the first sign of aggression IMO. Fighting violence with violence never works, one side or the other is always going to be worse off. Pulling a gun over a $10 notebook and a fist full of hair, which if the mum had used a little intelligence would have avoided her daughter being assaulted in the first place, is irresponsible. Assaulting someone over a $10 notebook and shoving them to the ground and pulling their hair out is equally irresponsible. Who the heck gets so aggressive over a notebook for goodness sake. The difference is, that pulling the gun has potentially far more serious consequences not only for the people involved but to other innocent bystanders. Is this really the way the mum is leading by example, by giving the daughter the message that threatening to use a lethal weapon will solve all her problems in the future. What happened to using a bit of common sense and walking away from potential trouble?
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Post by AussieMeg on Sept 2, 2017 11:09:03 GMT
From your title I shared your belief. Until I read the scenario. What, exactly, would be gained from calling for help? How would that have made a difference? Wait for a full minute or two while your daughter is being attacked, in the hopes that someone will respond? Like whom? A security guard? That would take longer than a minute. A fellow shopper? And then what when either show up? What are they going to do? Seems to me like Mom did the perfect thing. She let the attackers know that she was prepared to use severe force to protect her daughter from harm. She gave the attackers an opportunity to stop what they were doing before they faced physical harm themselves. If a fellow shopper had come over, what would he/she have done? The only way they could have stopped the attack was to place their hands on the attackers and physical remove them. This way no one else was touched. Sounds like a perfect explanation as to why people DO carry guns with them. So assholes like the attackers can't get away with continued assaults. So victims do not lie on the ground being attacked while others screamed for the attack to stop or yell for help. Oy fucking vey. We live on different planets... Oy fucking vey is right. I'm stunned that anyone would think it's perfectly acceptable behaviour - in fact the best option - to pull out a fucking gun in a store. SMDH and so glad I'm on that other planet with Peano and the other shitty mothers who'd never do this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 11:13:22 GMT
Oy fucking vey. We live on different planets... Oy fucking vey is right. I'm stunned that anyone would think it's perfectly acceptable behaviour - in fact the best option - to pull out a fucking gun in a store. SMDH and so glad I'm on that other planet with Peano and the other shitty mothers who'd never do this. I'm praying that there are a lot of other shitty mothers out there with us!
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Post by hop2 on Sept 2, 2017 12:02:20 GMT
Ok there's 3 walmarts with 15 mins of me and another 2 within 25 plus 2 targets and 2 Staples and numerous groceries and pharmacies. Then there's Amazon. Not the last notebook on earth. So best I could muster up if someone grabbed 'the last' notebook out of my hand would be mumbling bitch under my breath. And probably not that unless I had a paper cut from it. Then there probably would be several swear words because paper cuts hurt much worse than they should for some reason. It's just a notebook - even if the teacher did request that notebook in that color- not worth fighting over.
Fighting?!?!?! Over a notebook?!?!! Wtf Gun drawing ?!?!? Omg WTAF is wrong with people?
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AnotherPea
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 2, 2017 12:11:01 GMT
Oy fucking vey is right. I'm stunned that anyone would think it's perfectly acceptable behaviour - in fact the best option - to pull out a fucking gun in a store. SMDH and so glad I'm on that other planet with Peano and the other shitty mothers who'd never do this. I'm praying that there are a lot of other shitty mothers out there with us! Oh, there are!
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anniebygaslight
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Post by anniebygaslight on Sept 2, 2017 12:12:45 GMT
Jeez. Once again I thank my lucky stars that I live in a country where it is illegal to carry a gun.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 2, 2017 12:41:42 GMT
Lots of people around. Very close proximity too. No one on the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 12:43:50 GMT
Jeez. Once again I thank my lucky stars that I live in a country where it is illegal to carry a gun. I"m seriously thinking of joining you. If only I didn't feel it would be abandoning aging parents. But when they are gone, I think I'm out.
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Post by bigbundt on Sept 2, 2017 14:01:40 GMT
Lots of people around. Very close proximity too. No one on the ground. Did you watch the actual video? Her daughter (pink shirt) was on the ground with the lady behind her (tan shirt) and the lady in the striped shirt fighting for the (I guess?) notebook. The mom tried to get the lady in the tan shirt to take her hands off her daughter, who was on the ground at the time, and the tan shirt lady swatted the mom's hand away. The mom put her handbag on the ground, pulled out and pointed the gun, the tan shirt lady let go of the daughter, the striped shirt lady moved away, and the daughter got up. This is the point this screen shot was taken. Not condoning any of the behavior, they were all in the wrong. Was the mom the wrongest? Perhaps but they were ALL wrong. I'm just glad nothing serious happened to anyone.
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Post by annie on Sept 2, 2017 15:11:58 GMT
Office. Depot. They've got notebooks. Very different clientele as well. I'm not condoning ANY of the behaviors from this incident, but.... Many people shop at walmart because it's cheap, it's the only place they can afford to get stuff, or it's close, etc. Not everyone can just run over to Office Depot and spend usually what is quite a bit more and be to be around "a very different clientele". You come off as condescending and "above" those people. Not cool. I think the gun lady is a lunatic, and am not defending her.
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Post by JBeans on Sept 2, 2017 19:12:13 GMT
IMO this is an example of why carrying should be illegal. Yes, people have adrenaline pumping in situations like this. And clearly it is easy to pull your gun when you might not be thinking clearly. Unfortunately, this could have ended very badly. I don't understand this. I really don't. From what I can tell the gun prevented injury. No one got seriously hurt because the gun stopped the nonsense. We can postulate all day about what could have happened because of the gun. What we KNOW, however, is that one woman was being assaulted by two others and that the assault stopped when a gun was drawn. It is much more likely that an injury would have occurred if the gun had not been drawn, than if/when it had/did. This is the most fucked Up logic I think I've ever heard. How about 3 idiots being idiots over a notebook and one has a gun.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 19:24:16 GMT
I don't know whether to laugh or cry that anyone thinks the answer to this ridiculous situation was 'wave a gun around' A loaded weapon is always the answer? Bugger me sideways!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 2, 2017 19:31:59 GMT
Lots of people around. Very close proximity too. No one on the ground. Did you watch the actual video? Her daughter (pink shirt) was on the ground with the lady behind her (tan shirt) and the lady in the striped shirt fighting for the (I guess?) notebook. The mom tried to get the lady in the tan shirt to take her hands off her daughter, who was on the ground at the time, and the tan shirt lady swatted the mom's hand away. The mom put her handbag on the ground, pulled out and pointed the gun, the tan shirt lady let go of the daughter, the striped shirt lady moved away, and the daughter got up. This is the point this screen shot was taken. Not condoning any of the behavior, they were all in the wrong. Was the mom the wrongest? Perhaps but they were ALL wrong. I'm just glad nothing serious happened to anyone. I think most of us who have said the gun pulling was irresponsible have said that they all should have done things differently. Looks like the daughter has the notebook.
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Post by melanell on Sept 2, 2017 21:37:44 GMT
Lots of people around. Very close proximity too. No one on the ground. This is the picture that scared me. There were so many people around. At least 3 that I can see look to be kids. I'm guessing (I did NOT watch the video)) is that the woman in the coral shirt is the daughter and that she had gotten back up by this point, but yet the gun is still pointed at other people. And my God, really and truly there were people so close to the mother that it would have been easy for her to be bumped, and had she actually tried to shoot at anything or anyone, and she was bumped or pushed, she could have even possibly shot her own daughter. The number of people all around her is my main concern with her choice to draw that weapon. Anyone could have been jostled or pushed or bumped--her or anyone she may have aimed at. SaveSave
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 3, 2017 1:02:00 GMT
Lots of people around. Very close proximity too. No one on the ground. This is the picture that scared me. There were so many people around. At least 3 that I can see look to be kids. I'm guessing (I did NOT watch the video)) is that the woman in the coral shirt is the daughter and that she had gotten back up by this point, but yet the gun is still pointed at other people. And my God, really and truly there were people so close to the mother that it would have been easy for her to be bumped, and had she actually tried to shoot at anything or anyone, and she was bumped or pushed, she could have even possibly shot her own daughter. The number of people all around her is my main concern with her choice to draw that weapon. Anyone could have been jostled or pushed or bumped--her or anyone she may have aimed at. SaveSaveThis is exactly what I was thinking. No daughter on the ground yet the gun is aimed at another PLUS all those people! What if someone thought she was the aggressor and tried to tackle or disarm her? Clusterfuck waiting to happen.
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Post by katiejane on Sept 3, 2017 8:14:38 GMT
Why the hell would you not put the notebook down and walk away at the first sign of trouble. What Notebook is worth fighting for? How the hell does it get to the point that you are feel you need to pull out your gun? That Mom is an idiot. Not saying that fighting over a notebook is remotely okay. No one should be assaulted over a handful of paper. Just give them the book and walk away. But drawing a gun in a whole different level of irresponsibility and stupidity.
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Post by casii on Sept 3, 2017 12:34:57 GMT
I guess I'm on the shitty mom bench with most of the rest of you. Everyone should've behaved differently, but by far the worst and most dangerous behavior was from the gun wielding woman. No ifs, ands or buts.
This is why the circular arguing with my gun toting father drives me crazy. He's always SURE that he and his gun are going to stop a situation before it gets out of hand. Me telling him it would likely escalate the situation only serves to fire him up more.
We've all met that one person who was in a car accident while NOT wearing a seatbelt and a dimwitted officer told them that if they'd had the seatbelt on, they would've died, so now they refuse to wear the seatbelt. Gun toting vigilantes are the same way. The one off stories of someone saving the day by pulling the gun are far outnumbered by the stories of someone pulling a gun and devastation ensues.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 3, 2017 12:36:34 GMT
I wasn't there so I can't be positive...but I want to put it out there... nobody pulled a gun because of a notebook. Someone pulled a gun because her child was being assaulted. I understand that and I agree that she definitely pulled the gun because her child was being hurt. I just meant that whatever happened in the very, very beginning between the 3 women (not the mom) was over a notebook. If they hadn't all fought over a notebook we never would have arrived at the point where the mom was pulling a gun. It's ridiculous to me that anyone put their hands on another person over some lined paper. Whether the hair pulling came first or the younger woman grabbed the book from the hands of the other 2 women, all of that boiled down to a notebook. SaveI'm going to guess that it wasn't over a notebook, per se. This kind of anger comes when one person, for example, feels another is being grossly inconsiderate.
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Post by bigbundt on Sept 3, 2017 14:15:42 GMT
Did you watch the actual video? Her daughter (pink shirt) was on the ground with the lady behind her (tan shirt) and the lady in the striped shirt fighting for the (I guess?) notebook. The mom tried to get the lady in the tan shirt to take her hands off her daughter, who was on the ground at the time, and the tan shirt lady swatted the mom's hand away. The mom put her handbag on the ground, pulled out and pointed the gun, the tan shirt lady let go of the daughter, the striped shirt lady moved away, and the daughter got up. This is the point this screen shot was taken. Not condoning any of the behavior, they were all in the wrong. Was the mom the wrongest? Perhaps but they were ALL wrong. I'm just glad nothing serious happened to anyone. I think most of us who have said the gun pulling was irresponsible have said that they all should have done things differently. Looks like the daughter has the notebook. It appeared that the previous poster was making comments to refute some reported accounts based on that one frame video capture, specifically that no one was on the ground. Watching the video was something like 10 seconds, with the gun portion even less than that, and this screen shot capturing literally a millisecond of the confrontation. We are in agreement with not condoning it but I feel like I need to put that disclaimer on every post I make, even one just pointing out more facts, in case someone thinks otherwise. And an article I read did state that the mom and daughter DID end up purchasing the notebook.
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Post by Drew on Sept 3, 2017 15:14:18 GMT
That woman is going to kill someone... or get shot with her own gun when she pulls it again in the wrong place and someone grabs it. Or maybe another asshole with gun will step in and, well, nothin good would come from that, just dead people.
It's frightening that my children and I walk around with people like that and don't even know it. And that I'm on a message board with people who think she did the right thing.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 3, 2017 17:39:35 GMT
I think most of us who have said the gun pulling was irresponsible have said that they all should have done things differently. Looks like the daughter has the notebook. It appeared that the previous poster was making comments to refute some reported accounts based on that one frame video capture, specifically that no one was on the ground. Watching the video was something like 10 seconds, with the gun portion even less than that, and this screen shot capturing literally a millisecond of the confrontation. We are in agreement with not condoning it but I feel like I need to put that disclaimer on every post I make, even one just pointing out more facts, in case someone thinks otherwise. And an article I read did state that the mom and daughter DID end up purchasing the notebook. No, I wasn't trying to dispute any "facts" from the full video or what others had said about the event. I found the photo that I posted to be very poignant--no daughter on the ground, yet the mom STILL has her gun aimed on others. I'm looking at that photo and all those others in such close proximity that could have been hurt. With so many people around I'm thinking--what would have happened if one of those others had tried to disarm her?
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Post by tenakee on Sept 3, 2017 17:46:35 GMT
I think most of us who have said the gun pulling was irresponsible have said that they all should have done things differently. Looks like the daughter has the notebook. Of course she has the notebook - her Mom has the gun!!
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 3, 2017 22:23:06 GMT
Seriously insane response to pull a gun. What's wrong with walking away if someone else wants to fight over the last notebook? That's what I've taught my kids.
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