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Post by jb13 on Sept 1, 2017 22:32:40 GMT
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Post by anniefb on Sept 1, 2017 22:47:03 GMT
Wow. Maybe we can all become stamp 'designers'?
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Post by katlady on Sept 1, 2017 22:47:13 GMT
They probably used/bought the same clip art source. The first link looks like clip art.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 1, 2017 22:51:36 GMT
I didn't think that most of the mainstream designs were designed by the people whose name is on them. So this doesn't shock me any.
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Post by jb13 on Sept 1, 2017 23:01:25 GMT
They probably used/bought the same clip art source. The first link looks like clip art. The thing is though - on creative market the person selling it CREATED it, and therefore owns it? |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 1, 2017 23:22:33 GMT
The designers on Creative Market sell their stuff with commercial licenses so their art can be used that way. Usually there are various levels of licensing depending on how the design will be used. The license for something that will be used by a small business for less than 500 units will generally cost a lot less than the license for using the design to be made into something that will be mass merchandised. It's just like stock photography only it's original artwork, fonts, etc.
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Post by jb13 on Sept 1, 2017 23:35:23 GMT
That's all good if that's what happened and the designer is happy and fully paid up with the licensing arrangement, however, Stampers Anonymous claim:
"All of our stamp designs and stencils are original artwork owned and copyrighted by Stampers Anonymous and are protected under United States and international copyright laws and treaties."
so something is not right and my art has been made into cards before and I got nothing as I could not afford the legal fess.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Sept 1, 2017 23:47:58 GMT
Did TH buy that design?
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Post by oaksong on Sept 2, 2017 1:10:30 GMT
I noticed one of his designs from last year (the little cabin in the woods) stamp was the same design that another company had. I suspect it is some type of clip art. It looks very similar to the sketch style of this year's stamps. I never thought that TH did any of the artwork on his products, so this doesn't surprise me at all. I would hope that all proper copyrights have been honored and compensated.
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Post by GiantsFan on Sept 2, 2017 1:22:12 GMT
jb13 Not to sound snarky but rather than call him out here why not just send Tim and email and ask if he or SA paid for the artwork? It would end the speculation that he's using designs without authorization. Disclaimer I'm not a fan of his stamps (not my style) but I'm a total fangirl for the stamp platform and oxides.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Sept 2, 2017 1:22:17 GMT
I guess I am naive, but I did think artists like TH designed their own artwork for their products.
Why are we praising them if they are just buying designs to use?
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Post by wendifful on Sept 2, 2017 2:13:26 GMT
I guess I am naive, but I did think artists like TH designed their own artwork for their products. Why are we praising them if they are just buying designs to use? I get where you're coming from but I also think there is work in picking designs that they think will be popular and optimizing them for the format (making them the perfect size for a card, etc). Not saying that equates it with drawing but they are "curating" the images so to speak. Many companies do this. I think last year there was a thread about how Felicity Jane and someone else (Gossamer Blue?) had selected the same pattern for one of their papers from Creative Market. I know there are some brands with a specific drawing style (like Neat & Tangled and Mama Elephant) who have such a consistent aesthetic and actually say the items are hand drawn. In a way, I see it the same as using a font. You didn't draw the font but you are using it to express a sentiment and customizing it with size, glyphs, spacing, line breaks, etc. That being said, it does still kind of make me feel weird about it, if only because you get to see the man behind the curtain. I think there is an air of secrecy around this practice and when that bubble is popped for the consumer, it's kind of a let down. |
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Post by jb13 on Sept 2, 2017 2:21:20 GMT
I was not trying to say he was using them without permission.
I assume a company like Tim Holtz would make the proper arrangements for licensing. Just making the point that someone "designing" the stamps just bought some $5 clipart graphics from creative market.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 3:37:21 GMT
Good sleuthing!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 7:20:19 GMT
Years ago over at SplitCoastStampers there was a discussion about buying clip art and royalty licenses to create stamps. I remember that several of the stamp companies including Tim's all weighed in that they do buy licenses for the majority of their designs. This is quite the normal in the stamping business I was really glad the companies did weigh in and give an honest opinion about this. Moral of the stamping/scrapping world you can probably find that beautiful image by Googling and going to the clip art site to download it legally. I also understand why some consumers would want to buy that image as a stamp.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Sept 2, 2017 20:47:37 GMT
Some designs look so much like other designs it's hard sometimes to tell the differences so it makes sense to me that companies are buying from the same places. I'm another one who thought most products weren't drawn or designed by celebs in the first place. I have some Tim Holtz stamps and dies but it never mattered to me whether or not he personally designed them. I just liked them.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Sept 3, 2017 4:18:49 GMT
I'm pretty sure that he mentioned that he didn't design all of his current stamps. He made it sounds like he found artwork and was using it. I'm sure it is all I the up and up and that he didn't steal anything but I though he mentioned something about an artist for his new Christmas line with the shapes with words on them. He has also mentioned finding the words in old books for his clippings stickers and the old vintage paper dolls as well.
I have to admit I always thought he drew the pictures/images for his stamps until I saw these past few videos.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 14:02:50 GMT
I thought it was common knowledge by now that this happens in the creative world. Whatever you do OP, don't go onto Ali Express.   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 14:07:13 GMT
I was not trying to say he was using them without permission. I assume a company like Tim Holtz would make the proper arrangements for licensing. Just making the point that someone "designing" the stamps just bought some $5 clipart graphics from creative market. It looks like the Extended Licenses are $50 not $5. If you read the fine print it is perfectly legal to do so. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 3, 2017 14:25:08 GMT
Wow. Maybe we can all become stamp 'designers'? #girlboss  |
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Post by katlady on Sept 3, 2017 14:41:20 GMT
I wasn't going to ask these two questions, but I am curious.
1-The OP deleted her post where she mentioned that she had contacted the artist and the artist wasn't aware of this and was going to look into it. What is the outcome of that?
2- Why did the OP start a new account and this is the only thread she has started/posted on? It seems odd to start a new account just to post about TH.
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Post by oaksong on Sept 3, 2017 15:42:13 GMT
I wasn't going to ask these two questions, but I am curious. 1-The OP deleted her post where she mentioned that she had contacted the artist and the artist wasn't aware of this and was going to look into it. What is the outcome of that? 2- Why did the OP start a new account and this is the only thread she has started/posted on? It seems odd to start a new account just to post about TH. Interesting. I didn't notice that. It seems like someone's looking to cause trouble for Tim. Hmmm. Who could it be? One particular name comes to mind...  |
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Post by craftykitten on Sept 3, 2017 15:49:55 GMT
I wasn't going to ask these two questions, but I am curious. 1-The OP deleted her post where she mentioned that she had contacted the artist and the artist wasn't aware of this and was going to look into it. What is the outcome of that? 2- Why did the OP start a new account and this is the only thread she has started/posted on? It seems odd to start a new account just to post about TH. Interesting. I didn't notice that. It seems like someone's looking to cause trouble for Tim. Hmmm. Who could it be? One particular name comes to mind... Really?! Who could hate Tim? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 15:57:19 GMT
I was not trying to say he was using them without permission. I assume a company like Tim Holtz would make the proper arrangements for licensing. Just making the point that someone "designing" the stamps just bought some $5 clipart graphics from creative market. It looks like the Extended Licenses are $50 not $5. If you read the fine print it is perfectly legal to do so. Yes a lot of digital designers are selling commercial license to use their designs. I'm not seeing how that's a big deal? |
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Post by scrappermcg on Sept 3, 2017 18:20:26 GMT
Interesting. I didn't notice that. It seems like someone's looking to cause trouble for Tim. Hmmm. Who could it be? One particular name comes to mind... Really?! Who could hate Tim? Well that's just sad, what does it accomplish. If he's selling something I like, someone badmouthing him isn't going to stop me from buying it. |
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Post by jb13 on Sept 3, 2017 18:51:28 GMT
I did delete that, you are right. I felt it was unfair to share the email I got from the designer without his permission. But I did contact him to let him know and the impression I got is that he was unaware and presumably he has not sold a commercial license for thise two designs.
Now he has the informarion he can choose what to do with it.
Not out to get Tim, just that Stampers Anonymous who say they own designs and coyright might not like paying proper fees to designers they think might never know their designs are being used this way. This designer is a young man from Kazagstan. What are the chances he would find out?
Anyway like I said, its up to him to follow it up if he wants to.
Nothing to stop anyone buying this graphic and making their own stamp and selling it as long as they sell less than 500. What are Stampers A and TH going to do then??
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Post by oaksong on Sept 3, 2017 19:58:32 GMT
I did delete that, you are right. I felt it was unfair to share the email I got from the designer without his permission. But I did contact him to let him know and the impression I got is that he was unaware and presumably he has not sold a commercial license for thise two designs. Now he has the informarion he can choose what to do with it. Not out to get Tim, just that Stampers Anonymous who say they own designs and coyright might not like paying proper fees to designers they think might never know their designs are being used this way. This designer is a young man from Kazagstan. What are the chances he would find out? Anyway like I said, its up to him to follow it up if he wants to. Nothing to stop anyone buying this graphic and making their own stamp and selling it as long as they sell less than 500. What are Stampers A and TH going to do then?? Generally a company would make a separate agreement with the designer if it is more than what the clip art agreement covers online. I have personally contacted photographers and artists for my business to do so. It's not difficult at all. I would be very surprised if SA and TH just took something they found online and used it without proper due diligence, especially after everything that Tim has been through with the Tonic Stamp Platform. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 22:37:24 GMT
Maybe Tim's art was stolen?
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Post by Restless Spirit on Sept 4, 2017 0:03:33 GMT
I watched a recording of Tim Holtz's Facebook Live event. As he was showing the newly released rubber stamps "Carved Christmas". He distinctly says "I found this artist and just loved this art of hand carved look" or something close to that. There was no pretense that he designed the stamps. He didn't mention the name, but he did openly state that someone else designed them.
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Post by anonrefugee on Sept 4, 2017 15:19:48 GMT
I've never thought he created the original artwork for any of his products. Remember his early stamps that looked like they were straight out of a clip art book? The images by Mario's son were the first I thought created just for his line.
His skill set is putting the stamps to use, and creating techniques. I really don't remember him implying he created the original art, but this thread shows others believed he did.
I would hope a company like SA and TH would paaay more than a basic rate for their commercial license, but how would we know unless they announce it? The quote above from them is curious. I imagine they could have stuck a deal with the artist allowing him to to sell on a small scale, while they now own the art.
This all seems more like business as usual to me, not cheating. It's different when someone like DD claims to have created a piece, a bird, and it's an obvious copy.
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