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Post by gonewalkabout on Aug 29, 2014 20:21:27 GMT
Oh, I'm not even going to go there with this topic. I have way too much to say about it all lol!
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Post by scrapsotime on Aug 29, 2014 20:29:11 GMT
It seems the new study that started this is being subjected to further investigation. CNN story
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 29, 2014 20:56:34 GMT
It seems the new study that started this is being subjected to further investigation. CNN storyA quote from your CNN story-- "In fact, several subsequent studies trying to reproduce the results have found no link between vaccines and autism, including several reviews by the Institute of Medicine. Most recently, a study published in Pediatrics on July 1 concluded that vaccines do not cause autism spectrum disorders."
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back to *pea*ality
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 29, 2014 21:03:05 GMT
This is a bit off topic but I remember seeing a news story awhile back that Drexel University was conducting research on autism. Women included in the study had one child on he autism spectrum and they were recording everything they ate, cleaning products used etc., I did a google search and found this- Link to Drexel StudyHopefully, research will provide a key to help those with autism now and in the future.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 29, 2014 21:22:27 GMT
My nephew has autism (not born with it) and Ive always believed its because of the amount of toxins everywhere. Food, environmentally, medically, etc. How do you know this? I have 2 kids with Autism; 1 high and 1 low functioning. I thought about typing out a long response and just say I agree with scrappower. Maybe it's not my place to chime in, I'm only an Aunt. Our nephew was first diagnosed around 3.5 with several diagnosis to follow. His parents will be the first to say he had tiny behaviors from birth, only no one recognized them. Never having a child with autism they didn't know of their significance until after the diagnosis. They continued vaccinate subsequent children and feel it's coincidence of timing giving vac a bad name.
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Post by moosedogtoo on Aug 29, 2014 21:46:48 GMT
...the ignorance that surrounds this subject in the general public is starting to kill innocent children and adults. This x1000
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Post by emilymom on Aug 29, 2014 21:52:19 GMT
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Post by greenlegume on Aug 29, 2014 22:04:32 GMT
I am so sick and tired of ignorant people recklessly and irresponsibly spreading bad information because they are too lazy and/or stupid to do some simple fact-checking.
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Post by pattyj on Aug 29, 2014 22:08:45 GMT
And modern medicine says..."You're welcome." Sheesh.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 29, 2014 22:11:20 GMT
And wonder of wonders! People don't get sick anymore. These diseases were all but eradicated, and now California is enduring a pertussis epidemic. Vaccines. They're a good thing.
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Post by LeaP on Aug 29, 2014 23:09:58 GMT
And wonder of wonders! People don't get sick anymore. These diseases were all but eradicated, and now California is enduring a pertussis epidemic. Vaccines. They're a good thing. Vaccines are a good thing! Both of my fully vaccinated kids were exposed to pertussis multiple times and did not get sick. I credit the vaccine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 23:10:15 GMT
Maybe it's not my place to chime in, I'm only an Aunt. Our nephew was first diagnosed around 3.5 with several diagnosis to follow. His parents will be the first to say he had tiny behaviors from birth, only no one recognized them. Never having a child with autism they didn't know of their significance until after the diagnosis. They continued vaccinate subsequent children and feel it's coincidence of timing giving vac a bad name. That's my experience as well; especially with my daughter. In no way did it even register to me she had Autism; just major anxiety. When the pediatrician gave me a checklist of all the possible signs, it described her to a T. There was only one that I kind of wavered on, but could still see how she did do it at times. When my son was less than a year I knew something was different. His major lack of sleep; this was not colic. His running into walls when he started walking because he was so fascinated with lights and ceiling fans. He never had an extensive vocabulary or was ever the same as his peers. There were a few words he lost.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 29, 2014 23:29:52 GMT
If it can be demonstrated that the Center for Disease Control willfully omitted data to achieve a conclusion they desired about autism in order to mislead the American public (and the international scientific community), I will eat my hat.
If a peer-reviewed and replicated research study demonstrates that there is a link between vaccinations and autism, I will eat my entire collection of hats.
And I have a thing for hats.
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Post by nightnurse on Aug 30, 2014 0:31:38 GMT
thats funny, but I find the official statement from a government scientist at the CDC a little more reliable. Like I said, Im not anti vax. I bolded that-you aren't saying that the scientist's statement suggests that vaccines cause autism, are you? Because that is not what he said. He said that some data they collected showed that AA males who received the vaccine before age 3 were at increased risk of autism. There is no data to prove the vaccine is to blame. The data probably shouldn't have been omitted, but this is why it was-because people will hear "vaccine" and "autism" and jump to conclusions. Yes, the data is interesting and deserves further study, but it doesn't prove anything.
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Post by nightnurse on Aug 30, 2014 0:39:23 GMT
My least favorite argument against vaccines, the "too much, too soon, overwhelm the immune system" crap. The ENTIRE childhood recommended vaccine schedule exposes a child to a little over three hundred "toxins" ( a catch all word when used to describe vaccines) or more correctly pathogens-organisms or substances that stimulate the immune system. Do you know how many we are exposed to in an average day? Up to FOUR THOUSAND. So there is no way the vaccine schedule can overload a normal healthy immune system. In most cases, an unhealthy or weakened immune system also benefits from the vaccines. I'm not picking on you, I know you were making an observation and not claiming it was too much and would overload anything, but I've heard the argument so many times and I am a little sensitive on this subject. I think we are in for a giant deadly epidemic that could be prevented if people didn't think reading a few articles on the internet was educating them on vaccines.
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Post by elaine on Aug 30, 2014 0:50:56 GMT
Vaccines do NOT cause Autism.
Any child who is diagnosed with Autism, had it since birth. It may be that the parents didn't recognize the signs, not that the child didn't have the disorder.
FWIW, I have two kids with Autism and have worked with many kids with the disorder and their parents.
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Post by elaine on Aug 30, 2014 0:56:52 GMT
thats funny, but I find the official statement from a government scientist at the CDC a little more reliable. Like I said, Im not anti vax. I bolded that-you aren't saying that the scientist's statement suggests that vaccines cause autism, are you? Because that is not what he said. He said that some data they collected showed that AA males who received the vaccine before age 3 were at increased risk of autism. There is no data to prove the vaccine is to blame. The data probably shouldn't have been omitted, but this is why it was-because people will hear "vaccine" and "autism" and jump to conclusions. Yes, the data is interesting and deserves further study, but it doesn't prove anything. Yes, and one interpretation of the data is that children with Autism are more likely to receive special education in public schools by the time they are 2-3, and one of the requirements of attending public special ed preschool is to be current on all your vaccinations, so those kids had a higher vaccination rate than the average 3 y.o. making correlational data show a RELATIONSHIP between the two - NOT a cause.
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Post by loco coco on Aug 30, 2014 1:15:06 GMT
How do you know this? I have 2 kids with Autism; 1 high and 1 low functioning. I thought about typing out a long response and just say I agree with scrappower. Maybe it's not my place to chime in, I'm only an Aunt. Our nephew was first diagnosed around 3.5 with several diagnosis to follow. His parents will be the first to say he had tiny behaviors from birth, only no one recognized them. Never having a child with autism they didn't know of their significance until after the diagnosis. They continued vaccinate subsequent children and feel it's coincidence of timing giving vac a bad name. There were no signs with him, he was at right growth at every check up, extremely healthy, said mommy daddy and things like that. He made eye contact, played with toys and friends, ate food and had regular bowel movements. He was a normal happy kid. He had a bad reaction to a vaccine (I do not remember which one) and had a seizure afterwards w high fever and went to the hospital. After about 3 days it was like a flip switched. No more talking, won't eat, does not make eye contact, hits or flaps himself, horrible bowel problems, no longer plays with kids and is just extremely different. He is in a lot of therapies and they said he regressed back to 18 months old (he's almost 5). However, I don't think it was just because of the vaccine. I think he could have already had a virus or sickness and his immune system couldn't handle both. This is why I don't think the 1 fits all schedule is good and think they should be spread out. I also think all of the toxins in our food do not help
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Post by inkedup on Aug 30, 2014 1:20:39 GMT
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Post by elaine on Aug 30, 2014 2:14:38 GMT
Maybe it's not my place to chime in, I'm only an Aunt. Our nephew was first diagnosed around 3.5 with several diagnosis to follow. His parents will be the first to say he had tiny behaviors from birth, only no one recognized them. Never having a child with autism they didn't know of their significance until after the diagnosis. They continued vaccinate subsequent children and feel it's coincidence of timing giving vac a bad name. There were no signs with him, he was at right growth at every check up, extremely healthy, said mommy daddy and things like that. He made eye contact, played with toys and friends, ate food and had regular bowel movements. He was a normal happy kid. He had a bad reaction to a vaccine (I do not remember which one) and had a seizure afterwards w high fever and went to the hospital. After about 3 days it was like a flip switched. No more talking, won't eat, does not make eye contact, hits or flaps himself, horrible bowel problems, no longer plays with kids and is just extremely different. He is in a lot of therapies and they said he regressed back to 18 months old (he's almost 5). However, I don't think it was just because of the vaccine. I think he could have already had a virus or sickness and his immune system couldn't handle both. This is why I don't think the 1 fits all schedule is good and think they should be spread out. I also think all of the toxins in our food do not help I'm sorry your nephew has so many issues right now. How old was he when he had the reaction? He is 4 now, so how old was he when he regressed? Second, with a high fever and seizure, have they done thorough testing for brain damage? Is he in special education? Not eating and bowel issues are not diagnostic criteria for Autism. Some kids with autism have bowel issues, but so do some typical kids. Some kids with autism may be picky eaters, due to texture issues, but rarely do they stop eating altogether. I hope that he benefits from the therapies he is involved in and that he has a great special ed teacher at school!
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Post by scraphappyinjax on Aug 30, 2014 2:55:01 GMT
My son has Autism. In my opinion he was born with it. I'm not anti-vaccine but what I tell my friends who still are having babies to break up the MMR shots. To ask their pediatrician if they can come in for 3 months in a row to get one shot. My pediatrician actually suggested this and I've passed on this information.
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