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Post by loco coco on Aug 29, 2014 19:06:25 GMT
Dr Thompson, a top scientist for the CDC turned whistleblower, has released information admitting the CDC manipulated data and left off African American babies from the MMR Autism study because they knew they were much higher risk & did not want to increase the stats. Ive seen both sides all over the news here. I am definitely not anti-vax but I do and have thought the 1 size fits all vaccine schedule just doesnt work well. My nephew has autism (not born with it) and Ive always believed its because of the amount of toxins everywhere. Food, environmentally, medically, etc. Congress is looking into this and hopefully something will be changed and the 1 in 68 [HASH] drops dramatically instead of increasing every year. The 1 in 68 [HASH] came from the CDC so now Im questioning the validity of those [HASH]s and hoping they are not higher. I do not have kids but I cannot imagine the future if this keeps increasing. Its hard to accept this is true and they would hide this but after the official press release and no denial I guess I have to let it sink in and accept these are our leaders and this is where our country is at. Here is his official statement from his lawyers website: www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/Article with a lot of good links healthimpactnews.com/2014/msm-marginalizes-cdc-whistle-blower-story-on-vaccine-autism-coverup/...sad stuff |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 19:07:49 GMT
I don't believe vaccines cause autism. Period. I will just leave it at that.
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Post by loco coco on Aug 29, 2014 19:09:34 GMT
here is a picture of the official statement  |
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Post by Sam on Aug 29, 2014 19:11:28 GMT
Honestly, I really don't know enough about the subject to comment. I do know that we get news stories over here concerning, for example, the MMR jab and the effects it may have.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 29, 2014 19:12:48 GMT
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Post by loco coco on Aug 29, 2014 19:13:54 GMT
thats funny, but I find the official statement from a government scientist at the CDC a little more reliable. Like I said, Im not anti vax. |
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 29, 2014 19:15:37 GMT
I don't believe vaccines cause autism. But I do think that we give too may vaccines all at once. I get the convenience, and I get that many may not be willing to bring a child back monthly to get a series of shots. But that's what we do with our kids since they were about 4. We spread out the shots and won't do more than one shot monthly.
I have a 17 year old DS with Asperger's. It's very high functioning and he can often "pass" for neurotypical. I think it was there from the time he was born. There were so many things about him that were present from birth on. I'm also convinced that my dad has AS and I think my brother has AS tendencies, but probably would not be formally diagnosed. And I think my FIL has tendencies as well. So at least for us, I can see a strong family link, especially with the social cues and empathy aspects. They say an AS parent only has a slight tendency to have a child with AS, but there seems to be a huge link in my family.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 19:17:41 GMT
Just curious: Why do he and his "co-authors" still have a job with the CDC? I would not want him trusted with analyzing any further data that affects public health. And why did he receive a "performance-based award" after the story came out? I must be missing something.
I'm not pro- or anti-vaccine. I'm a mom who is careful and does her research on a case-by-case basis with how it affects my own family and our society. If this is true, it's despicable behavior, whether one believes vaccines play a role in autism or not. Parents should have ALL the facts so we can make informed decisions.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 29, 2014 19:22:49 GMT
I'm very sorry about your nephew's health situation. Autism is a heartbreaking condition.
Dr. Thompson says in his statement: "I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits."
That is all I need to know about vaccinations, and the ignorance that surrounds this subject in the general public is starting to kill innocent children and adults.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 29, 2014 19:26:28 GMT
thats funny, but I find the official statement from a government scientist at the CDC a little more reliable. Like I said, Im not anti vax. It is NOT an "official statement" from a government scientist. That implies he speaks for the CDC. He does not. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 19:36:57 GMT
I'm not surprised that a government agency would manipulate a study to get the results they wanted. They excuse themselves by saying it would have made some parents fearful of vaccinating their children. Giving people ALL the facts, even the ones that might cause them to make a decision other than the government-accepted one, is the only acceptable way of handling these issues. It makes me wonder what else they hide when it comes to public health and why.
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Post by shevy on Aug 29, 2014 19:44:13 GMT
A response to the 'paper'
this story came from Natural News, which is and antivac one/conspiracy theory health site. It's best known lately for saying everyone has hereditary breast cancer and only those who live clean, eat clean and exercise can prevent it when Angelina Jolie revealed she was BRCA+. However, this is in no way supported by science either.
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Post by scrappinghappy on Aug 29, 2014 19:47:20 GMT
All my kids have ALL their vaccinations and are up to date with everything except the herpes vaccine.
That said, I do believe there are instances when vaccines can cause Autism as well as other less serious effects. I am not saying that this means "don't vaccinate". I am saying that I think it should mean better education and a change in the schedule so we are not overwhelming these tiny babies with all these organisms, attenuated or not.
I do think the fact that he claims that data was omitted is FAR more worrying than WHAT data was actually omitted. If they are willing to manipulate data so they can give the results they think are more puplically acceptable, what else have the played with.
It comes down to whether we can now trust them in the future.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 29, 2014 19:49:36 GMT
I have been watching this with interest and really I don't know what to believe.
I am not anti vaccine for the record. This was on CNN website, it was pulled down and then back up. Dr. Thompson seems to be walking it back.
I am not a scientist but if someone has a genetic mutation could something in the MMR vaccine or a preservative be the key that unlocks the gene? I am not a fan of big pharma and if there is a coverup people should go to jail. I hope someone who is a top investigative reporter will delve into it.
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Post by plkelley on Aug 29, 2014 19:49:50 GMT
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 29, 2014 19:49:46 GMT
Dr Thompson, a top scientist for the CDC turned whistleblower, has released information admitting the CDC manipulated data and left off African American babies from the MMR Autism study because they knew they were much higher risk & did not want to increase the stats. You need to reread his statement. He does NOT say that at ALL. There was a scientific disagreement about a subset of the data on African American males. It appears that the disagreement stemmed from the decision to exclude a portion of babies that did not have a birth certificate. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 19:54:19 GMT
My nephew has autism (not born with it) and Ive always believed its because of the amount of toxins everywhere. Food, environmentally, medically, etc. How do you know this? I have 2 kids with Autism; 1 high and 1 low functioning. I thought about typing out a long response and just say I agree with scrappower. |
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Post by loco coco on Aug 29, 2014 19:54:48 GMT
I'm very sorry about your nephew's health situation. Autism is a heartbreaking condition. Dr. Thompson says in his statement: "I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits." That is all I need to know about vaccinations, and the ignorance that surrounds this subject in the general public is starting to kill innocent children and adults. I am glad they put that in there. There is no need for people to be anti vaccine but there is also no need for a government agency to omit data to create certain results |
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Post by plkelley on Aug 29, 2014 19:56:13 GMT
I'm very sorry about your nephew's health situation. Autism is a heartbreaking condition. Dr. Thompson says in his statement: "I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits." That is all I need to know about vaccinations, and the ignorance that surrounds this subject in the general public is starting to kill innocent children and adults. I am glad they put that in there. There is no need for people to be anti vaccine but there is also no need for a government agency to omit data to create certain results They didn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 19:56:33 GMT
Seems to be a link in my family as well. I have a nephew with autism and suspect some people in my dad's family too. EDIT: Didn't quote basket1lady right, but I think there's a genetic link to autism. Note, I *think*. Until something is proven, it won't be something I believe. |
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Post by loco coco on Aug 29, 2014 19:56:40 GMT
A response to the 'paper'
this story came from Natural News, which is and antivac one/conspiracy theory health site. It's best known lately for saying everyone has hereditary breast cancer and only those who live clean, eat clean and exercise can prevent it when Angelina Jolie revealed she was BRCA+. However, this is in no way supported by science either. there are many other sites that have the story, that one just had unbiased links its hard to find middle ground on this. I can post more if you wanted arguing both sides |
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Post by loco coco on Aug 29, 2014 19:57:45 GMT
I am glad they put that in there. There is no need for people to be anti vaccine but there is also no need for a government agency to omit data to create certain results They didn't. Yes, they did which is why Congress is involved now |
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Post by plkelley on Aug 29, 2014 19:58:07 GMT
There is no middle ground. Vaccines don't cause autism.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 29, 2014 19:59:49 GMT
I'm very sorry about your nephew's health situation. Autism is a heartbreaking condition. Dr. Thompson says in his statement: "I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits." That is all I need to know about vaccinations, and the ignorance that surrounds this subject in the general public is starting to kill innocent children and adults. I am glad they put that in there. There is no need for people to be anti vaccine but there is also no need for a government agency to omit data to create certain results Again there is NO evidence that a government agency omitted data to create certain results. YOU are repeating pure speculation/conspiracy theories. |
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Post by loco coco on Aug 29, 2014 20:10:46 GMT
I am glad they put that in there. There is no need for people to be anti vaccine but there is also no need for a government agency to omit data to create certain results Again there is NO evidence that a government agency omitted data to create certain results. YOU are repeating pure speculation/conspiracy theories. I am repeating words from a press release issued by a top scientist who still works at the CDC. Here is the CDC statement on the issue www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Autism/cdc2004pediatrics.html |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 20:12:14 GMT
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Post by plkelley on Aug 29, 2014 20:14:02 GMT
Oh my. Did you read the CDC statement? It explains what happened, it is not evidence of a cover-up.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 29, 2014 20:16:52 GMT
Again there is NO evidence that a government agency omitted data to create certain results. YOU are repeating pure speculation/conspiracy theories. I am repeating words from a press release issued by a top scientist who still works at the CDC. Here is the CDC statement on the issue www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Autism/cdc2004pediatrics.html "Additional studies and a more recent rigorous review by the Institute of Medicine have found that MMR vaccine does not increase the risk of autism." That's all you need to know. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 29, 2014 20:16:57 GMT
no loco coco you can repeat that you're repeating a top scientist who still works at the CDC, but that doesn't make it true. Nowhere in the statement by William Thompson does he say that data was omitted to create certain results. He stated that he felt statistically relevant data was omitted, he stated that the data suggested a higher rate of autism for a subset of black, male babies, he stated that reasonable scientists can and do differ in their interpretation of information. You are attributing motives to omitting the data that are not anywhere in that statement. FYI, the omitted babies were those that did not have birth certificates. |
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Post by bomo on Aug 29, 2014 20:18:19 GMT
I'm very sorry about your nephew's health situation. Autism is a heartbreaking condition. Dr. Thompson says in his statement: "I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits." That is all I need to know about vaccinations, and the ignorance that surrounds this subject in the general public is starting to kill innocent children and adults. I so agree. |
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