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Post by librarylady on Sept 12, 2017 2:26:26 GMT
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Post by melanell on Sept 12, 2017 2:44:29 GMT
I'm glad that the family who so desperately believed that it could not be their loved one did wind up looking at the photos to confirm, to at least themselves, that they were right. There is enough anguish surrounding 9/11 without having any addition & unnecessary heartbreak added. I hope this article helps them.
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Post by scrappinmama on Sept 12, 2017 2:57:07 GMT
That was hard to read. I remember that documentary that was referenced in the article. The one made by the French brothers. I broke down multiple times watching, and vividly remember the sounds of people falling down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 2:58:10 GMT
Just a warning that the link contains quite a few pictures of the fall and they are hard to avoid because they are embedded throughout the article.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 12, 2017 3:04:23 GMT
Thank you for posting; that was a hard read, but an interesting one.
I have a friend who was there who has PTSD from the falling people. It definitely seems to be the worst aspect for many of the folks who were there.
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Post by elaine on Sept 12, 2017 3:06:51 GMT
Thank you for posting; that was a hard read, but an interesting one. I have a friend who was there who has PTSD from the falling people. It definitely seems to be the worst aspect for many of the folks who were there. I wasn't there, but the images of the people jumping/falling both on live coverage and in the days afterward are etched in my memory. I will never forget.
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Post by rodeomom on Sept 12, 2017 3:13:07 GMT
That was hard to read. I remember that documentary that was referenced in the article. The one made by the French brothers. I broke down multiple times watching, and vividly remember the sounds of people falling down. Yes I remember that documentary. It was the sound and knowing what that sound was. I will never forget that and I was not there. I can't imagine how it was for the people who were there. 
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Post by meridon on Sept 12, 2017 3:16:22 GMT
"Maybe he didn't jump at all because no one can jump into the arms of God. Oh no, you have to fall."
Wow....that line got me. That was difficult to read, but very moving.
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Post by stittsygirl on Sept 12, 2017 3:25:12 GMT
That was hard to read. I remember that documentary that was referenced in the article. The one made by the French brothers. I broke down multiple times watching, and vividly remember the sounds of people falling down. Yes I remember that documentary. It was the sound and knowing what that sound was. I will never forget that and I was not there. I can't imagine how it was for the people who were there. That's the part of the documentary that I remember most vividly, that sound. I didn't know they had edited out more of the sounds because they were so frequent  .
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Post by Belia on Sept 12, 2017 3:28:45 GMT
Oh my goodness. That article!
I should not have read that article right before bed.
May the lord bless and keep everyone who lost their lives on that horrible, horrible day.
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Post by Nink on Sept 12, 2017 3:41:47 GMT
Interesting article. I remember watching that documentary. I'll admit I found the one family's reaction odd. I can't imagine being upset with my loved one if I found out they had jumped. I would be upset that they were in such a horrible situation that they felt that was the best option as opposed to burning to death. What a horrible choice to have to make. But not at them because I felt like they didn't fight to come home.
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Post by elaine on Sept 12, 2017 3:56:50 GMT
Interesting article. I remember watching that documentary. I'll admit I found the one family's reaction odd. I can't imagine being upset with my loved one if I found out they had jumped. I would be upset that they were in such a horrible situation that they felt that was the best option as opposed to burning to death. What a horrible choice to have to make. But not at them because I felt like they didn't fight to come home. I've laid awake thinking about that very dilemma faced by the jumpers. How unspeakably horrific to have to decide between burning or jumping. It is the stuff nightmares are made of.
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Post by Skellinton on Sept 12, 2017 3:59:35 GMT
That documentary by the French Brothers is the most compelling and horrifying thing I have ever seen. I cannot even fathom how awful it must have been that people felt it was a better option to jump.
My heart and prayers go out to everyone who lost someone on 9/11.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 12, 2017 4:12:17 GMT
Yes I remember that documentary. It was the sound and knowing what that sound was. I will never forget that and I was not there. I can't imagine how it was for the people who were there. That's the part of the documentary that I remember most vividly, that sound. I didn't know they had edited out more of the sounds because they were so frequent  . The sounds of the bodies hitting and the reactions of the firefighters in the documentary is so powerful. It is even more powerful to realize they edited out so many of them. Thanks for sharing the article librarylady.
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Post by AussieMeg on Sept 12, 2017 4:21:27 GMT
Just a warning that the link contains quite a few pictures of the fall and they are hard to avoid because they are embedded throughout the article. I opened the link and there are no pictures in the article at all (I opened in Chrome). ETA: I just opened the link in IE instead of Chrome and the photos are showing now. (Not that I particularly wanted to see them, I was just curious as to why they weren't showing for me.)
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Post by AussieMeg on Sept 12, 2017 4:23:00 GMT
Interesting article. I remember watching that documentary. I'll admit I found the one family's reaction odd. I can't imagine being upset with my loved one if I found out they had jumped. I would be upset that they were in such a horrible situation that they felt that was the best option as opposed to burning to death. What a horrible choice to have to make. But not at them because I felt like they didn't fight to come home. I think it's due to their religious beliefs. If he jumped he essentially committed suicide and would therefore go to hell. (Not my beliefs, but that's what they believe.)
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Post by azredhead on Sept 12, 2017 4:23:37 GMT
I don't know if I can click on the link. We arrived that weekend. There were still people wandering around with lost looks on their faces. We were making our way to the hotel. We had pre arranged plans. All I say about that night is we had talked to a women who was still looking for her husband. I just remembered we talked to her for quite some time and hugged her. It was me, my Dh, my mom, and my youngest sister. We all hugged her. I always wondered what happened to her. we also talked to one of the officers, They were standing on a street corner almost every corner. I haven't brought myself to watch the 9/11 tributes although I've wanted to. I'm not sure.
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Post by Grom Pea on Sept 12, 2017 4:40:11 GMT
Interesting article. I remember watching that documentary. I'll admit I found the one family's reaction odd. I can't imagine being upset with my loved one if I found out they had jumped. I would be upset that they were in such a horrible situation that they felt that was the best option as opposed to burning to death. What a horrible choice to have to make. But not at them because I felt like they didn't fight to come home. I'm also wondering if that because they were religious, it was seen as suicide versus being killed and choosing to jump would be either choosing not to go to heaven where they could meet him one day, or choosing to give up his faith and basically reject them. I can't imagine being mad about that either, but it is horrifying to think how people perished in either situation. This was a very powerful article and an interesting read.
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Post by Grom Pea on Sept 12, 2017 4:41:47 GMT
Interesting article. I remember watching that documentary. I'll admit I found the one family's reaction odd. I can't imagine being upset with my loved one if I found out they had jumped. I would be upset that they were in such a horrible situation that they felt that was the best option as opposed to burning to death. What a horrible choice to have to make. But not at them because I felt like they didn't fight to come home. I think it's due to their religious beliefs. If he jumped he essentially committed suicide and would therefore go to hell. (Not my beliefs, but that's what they believe.) I believe you're right, I didn't see your post come up until I had posted mine, I guess it took me 17 min to read the article and write my thoughts.
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Post by zella on Sept 12, 2017 4:43:01 GMT
A very sad but interesting read.
I am appalled that the one family believes jumping would keep a person from heaven. This is, to me, an example of one of the most obscene outcomes of religious thought. How absurd, how dreadful. That man was going to die, and die very soon. How anyone can think that taking the choice to jump rather than suffocate in toxic fumes or, worse, burn to death, is somehow wrong, is appalling. Such narrow mindedness, such a small view of god and life. So sad.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 12, 2017 5:03:54 GMT
A very sad but interesting read. I am appalled that the one family believes jumping would keep a person from heaven. This is, to me, an example of one of the most obscene outcomes of religious thought. How absurd, how dreadful. That man was going to die, and die very soon. How anyone can think that taking the choice to jump rather than suffocate in toxic fumes or, worse, burn to death, is somehow wrong, is appalling. Such narrow mindedness, such a small view of god and life. So sad. beliefs are strong and many hold them as truths. If you believe what your religion says, I could see wanting to claim and make sure your lives one didn't die without salvation (and that comes from someone that does not claim any faith).
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Post by gailoh on Sept 12, 2017 10:01:21 GMT
no matter what others say, in the end ...God loves us all...
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Post by myboysnme on Sept 12, 2017 12:08:08 GMT
I read the entire article. I was so struck by the humanity of the photo when it first appeared that I put it on a layout I did about it. I wanted that someday whoever was looking at my scrapbooks would know that Sept 11 was about the loss of real, living people.
I feel sad that he's not identified, because he died that day. I cannot understand the rejection of the fact that people jumped - as though there is shame in jumping for some of them. But I have not lost anyone like that so I don't know how I would feel.
We are 16 years out from that day, and children in high school have no memory of it. For them it is history and happened before they were even born in many cases. They are a generation removed from that day.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Sept 12, 2017 12:15:24 GMT
The author of this piece tries to attribute humanity to those who profit off of the suffering of others, wrapping it in the garb of history. What purpose does it serve to find this man's identity? Where is the humanity in hounding the families who lost so much? Where is the nobility in standing on a table and continuing to take photos of Robert Kennedy after his widow begs you to stop. It's repugnant.
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Post by ginacivey on Sept 12, 2017 12:40:52 GMT
i've probably shared this before
my cousins are, and were, part of FDNY
jimmy is a dispatcher - and was on duty that morning - he's actually a part of a nat geo show about the voices of 9/11 john is a paramedic - who worked that day and the months afterwards
both have told me about the things that didn't make the national headlines
the first responders and those that survived and those that witnessed such horror carry such a heavy burden for the rest of us
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Post by auntkelly on Sept 12, 2017 13:19:22 GMT
The author of this piece tries to attribute humanity to those who profit off of the suffering of others, wrapping it in the garb of history. What purpose does it serve to find this man's identity? Where is the humanity in hounding the families who lost so much? Where is the nobility in standing on a table and continuing to take photos of Robert Kennedy after his widow begs you to stop. It's repugnant. I agree. I thought the article was appalling. It's one thing to capture a picture of a person who was so desperate to escape a burning building that he jumped to his certain death and publish that picture in newspapers all over the world. You can argue that the photographer was recording history. However, I couldn't understand why it was so important to identify that man. I think it would have been easy to identify that man if he were your loved one. My guess is the family recognized their loved one and chose not to come forward for whatever reason. That was their decision to make and I think their privacy should be respected. On the other hand, the man may have had no family and chose to live a solitary life. Whatever the case, I think the falling man deserves some respect and we all don't need to know his name.
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Post by RosieKat on Sept 12, 2017 14:14:26 GMT
I actually made the conscious choice to let my nearly 9-y.o. son see this picture yesterday. He (and a ton of his friends) are fascinated by disasters, natural and manmade. Explosions are cool in their world. I've tried to explain that while the science may be interesting, and the results awe-inspiring, real people are impacted by these things. But just giving numbers and information is not necessarily of any real impact to a kid. He was watching a bit about 9/11 yesterday (with my supervision), and it dawned on me that maybe he needed to see this. I think I was right - it seemed to be something that connected him to the horror and reality of it. It wouldn't be appropriate for every kid by any means, but I think for my kid, it was the right thing to see at the right time. It's an awful, awful moment (among many, of course) captured that really humanized this event for him.
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Post by annabella on Sept 12, 2017 14:19:36 GMT
I don't see it as a suicide. They were trying to escape the burning heat of the building and made a split second decision perhaps hoping for a miracle. I read accounts that people in the next building at that time were told to return to their desks but when they looked out the window and saw people jumping realized the urgency to ignore the commands and get out the building. So perhaps their sacrifice saved some lives. Unfortunately one person who jumped landed on a fireman and killed him instantly. I read the jump of 100 stories only took 10 seconds.
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Post by #notLauren on Sept 12, 2017 15:46:45 GMT
Of all the horrors of that day, the one burned in my memory is of the people jumping. That picture will be with me forever.
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Post by peabay on Sept 12, 2017 15:49:26 GMT
I want to read it but I just can't keep seeing those pictures.
Wow - when will it stop being "too soon" for me?
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