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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 12:19:16 GMT
GLORY! "The California State Assembly on Thursday passed a bill that would require all presidential candidates to release their tax returns prior to being placed on the state’s ballot. The bill, called the Presidential Tax Transparency and Accountability Act, passed the state assembly on a 42-18 vote and will now head to the state Senate for a concurrence vote before being sent to the Governor for his signature. “President Trump’s blatant disregard for the tradition of releasing tax returns is dangerous to our democracy,” Senator Mike McGuire (D), one of the authors of the bill, said in a statement. “For decades, every President has put their personal beliefs aside and put our country first and released their returns. “ “SB 149 helps to reestablish desperately needed transparency in the White House, and we are looking forward to seeing the Governor’s signature on the bill.”" thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/350789-california-legislature-passes-bill-requiring-presidential-candidates-to |
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Post by amom23 on Sept 15, 2017 12:50:37 GMT
Well that would certainly put a wrinkle in Trump's reelection bid now wouldn't it?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 12:59:57 GMT
I think it's a genius move, and I would expect other states to follow.
***eta*** I'll also be interesting to see if it holds up in court.
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Post by annabella on Sept 15, 2017 13:37:14 GMT
It's a step in the right direction!
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Post by megop on Sept 15, 2017 14:53:33 GMT
I think it's a genius move, and I would expect other states to follow. ***eta*** I'll also be interesting to see if it holds up in court. That. This is part of the beauty of being 50 "united" states.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 15:07:04 GMT
Tax records and birth certificates. Hell, maybe even DNA proving they're not reptilian.
And preferences on sweet or unsweetened tea. Apparently that's useful information.
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Post by lindas on Sept 15, 2017 15:50:25 GMT
Another insane law in CA. I'd be more interested in the tax returns of congress since they make the laws the rest of us have to live with.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Sept 15, 2017 16:11:46 GMT
That would be a step in the right direction.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 16:33:41 GMT
Another insane law in CA. I'd be more interested in the tax returns of congress since they make the laws the rest of us have to live with. Well the president signs the legislation that turns them into laws. Seems to me if you want to see the tax returns of the members of Congress who writes the legislation you would also want to see the tax returns of the person who signs the legislation into law. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 15, 2017 16:54:42 GMT
I've always thought this was misdirected energy. There is already robust requirements for financial disclosure for all candidates included all sources of income, assets and debts in DETAIL with the primary purpose of ensuring conflicts of interest are known. If there is additional information the public believes they need to know to adequately address conflicts of interest - they should modify the financial disclosure requirements. The biggest new information obtained on tax returns is charitable giving and use of tax deductions.
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Post by pierogi on Sept 15, 2017 17:18:34 GMT
Good for California! |
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Post by snowsilver on Sept 15, 2017 18:03:21 GMT
What a terrible idea! Let's just make it that much less likely that a qualified candidate will choose not to run due to the ridiculous hoops he/she has to jump through. Maybe we ought to use some real reasoning on occasion instead of wildly going out and changing things that have worked for us for over 200 years based on one current (perceived) problem!
It is none of our business what a candidate's tax statements look like. As Darcy said above, there is already massive financial disclosure required.
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Post by rodeomom on Sept 15, 2017 19:09:51 GMT
Good for California! If this had been in place before this election I'm sure we would not have Trump now. I hope other state follow and it stands up in court.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Sept 15, 2017 19:33:56 GMT
What a terrible idea! Let's just make it that much less likely that a qualified candidate will choose not to run due to the ridiculous hoops he/she has to jump through. Maybe we ought to use some real reasoning on occasion instead of wildly going out and changing things that have worked for us for over 200 years based on one current (perceived) problem! It is none of our business what a candidate's tax statements look like. As Darcy said above, there is already massive financial disclosure required. I cannot believe that I have to type this! REALLY? Um, it has worked because all previous presidents (and I don't count him as one) have done it. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 15, 2017 19:52:16 GMT
What a terrible idea! Let's just make it that much less likely that a qualified candidate will choose not to run due to the ridiculous hoops he/she has to jump through. Maybe we ought to use some real reasoning on occasion instead of wildly going out and changing things that have worked for us for over 200 years based on one current (perceived) problem! It is none of our business what a candidate's tax statements look like. As Darcy said above, there is already massive financial disclosure required. I cannot believe that I have to type this! REALLY? Um, it has worked because all previous presidents (and I don't count him as one) have done it. Actually the practice began with Nixon and for subsequent presidents,Ford chose not to release his returns. The number who released a full 5 years as a candidate is minuscule - it might just be Hillary. |
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Post by swtpeasmom on Sept 15, 2017 20:30:17 GMT
What a terrible idea! Let's just make it that much less likely that a qualified candidate will choose not to run due to the ridiculous hoops he/she has to jump through. Maybe we ought to use some real reasoning on occasion instead of wildly going out and changing things that have worked for us for over 200 years based on one current (perceived) problem! It is none of our business what a candidate's tax statements look like. As Darcy said above, there is already massive financial disclosure required. Aren't you interested in knowing the conflicts of interest that may arise?
We all know there are MANY going on right now with our current POTUS.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 20:38:28 GMT
Tax records and birth certificates. Hell, maybe even DNA proving they're not reptilian. And preferences on sweet or unsweetened tea. Apparently that's useful information. You are my people! |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 15, 2017 20:50:58 GMT
What a terrible idea! Let's just make it that much less likely that a qualified candidate will choose not to run due to the ridiculous hoops he/she has to jump through. Maybe we ought to use some real reasoning on occasion instead of wildly going out and changing things that have worked for us for over 200 years based on one current (perceived) problem! It is none of our business what a candidate's tax statements look like. As Darcy said above, there is already massive financial disclosure required. Aren't you interested in knowing the conflicts of interest that may arise?
We all know there are MANY going on right now with our current POTUS.
What specific information do you believe would be in his tax return that is not available on the financial disclosure? |
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Post by cycworker on Sept 15, 2017 20:51:17 GMT
I think it's excellent & it should be law across the country.
Why wouldn't it stand up in court?
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Post by cycworker on Sept 15, 2017 20:52:34 GMT
Aren't you interested in knowing the conflicts of interest that may arise?
We all know there are MANY going on right now with our current POTUS.
What specific information do you believe would be in his tax return that is not available on the financial disclosure? We would've caught his Russia ties. It's clearly too easy to lie on the financial disclosure documents, as witnessed by the fact that they've caught him doing so. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 15, 2017 20:53:19 GMT
What specific information do you believe would be in his tax return that is not available on the financial disclosure? We would've caught his Russia ties. It's clearly too easy to lie on the financial disclosure documents, as witnessed by the fact that they've caught him doing so. What are you talking about? |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 15, 2017 20:55:33 GMT
I think it's excellent & it should be law across the country. Why wouldn't it stand up in court? Only the constitution can determine the requirements of the president. If this law is viewed as contrary to that - it'll be thrown out, if it's deemed to be an additional access to ballot requirements that already exist and are not within the scope of requirement for president, it'll stand. |
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Post by cycworker on Sept 15, 2017 21:02:39 GMT
We would've caught his Russia ties. It's clearly too easy to lie on the financial disclosure documents, as witnessed by the fact that they've caught him doing so. What are you talking about? I honestly believe there's something in his tax returns that will show his ties to Russia. There's a reason he's so desperately trying to keep them hidden. There may even be something on there that will lead to proof of general criminal behavior. |
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Post by Jen in NCal on Sept 15, 2017 21:03:52 GMT
What a terrible idea! Let's just make it that much less likely that a qualified candidate will choose not to run due to the ridiculous hoops he/she has to jump through. Maybe we ought to use some real reasoning on occasion instead of wildly going out and changing things that have worked for us for over 200 years based on one current (perceived) problem! It is none of our business what a candidate's tax statements look like. As Darcy said above, there is already massive financial disclosure required. If "we" had used some real reasoning back in November, we wouldn't be in this mess now. The financial disclosure requirement is clearly not sufficient. It has been shown that he has hidden things on those disclosures with regards to his ties to Russia. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 15, 2017 21:07:02 GMT
What are you talking about? I honestly believe there's something in his tax returns that will show his ties to Russia. There's a reason he's so desperately trying to keep them hidden. There may even be something on there that will lead to proof of general criminal behavior. No he desperately tried to keep them hidden to shield how much income tax he paid and his charitable giving - there is no IOU from Russia in his tax return. You can see every business interest, every bank account, every stock he owns, every DEBT he owns, every affiliated company, every board he sits on - and the same for Melania here: www.documentcloud.org/documents/3867112-Trump-Financial-Disclosure-2017.htmlafter perusing the 98 pages, please tell me what specific information you think will be in his tax return regarding Russia - and please link me to where he lied on his disclosure form as I'm sure there are many, many people who would love that information-myself included. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 21:40:01 GMT
I honestly believe there's something in his tax returns that will show his ties to Russia. There's a reason he's so desperately trying to keep them hidden. There may even be something on there that will lead to proof of general criminal behavior. No he desperately tried to keep them hidden to shield how much income tax he paid and his charitable giving - there is no IOU from Russia in his tax return. You can see every business interest, every bank account, every stock he owns, every DEBT he owns, every affiliated company, every board he sits on - and the same for Melania here: www.documentcloud.org/documents/3867112-Trump-Financial-Disclosure-2017.htmlafter perusing the 98 pages, please tell me what specific information you think will be in his tax return regarding Russia - and please link me to where he lied on his disclosure form as I'm sure there are many, many people who would love that information-myself included. It's the perception he is hiding something that the 98 pages is not going to change. Every presidential candidate since Nixon has shown tax returns. Every sitting President since Ford has released their tax returns. trump has done neither. He used a bogus excuse for not releasing them during the campaign. Now I guess he has flat out said he is not going to release any tax returns at all. trump continues to be his own worst enemy. So if this bill makes it to Jerry Brown's desk and he signs it. Good for California. And if trump doesn't like it he only has himself to blame. |
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Post by lisae on Sept 15, 2017 21:40:19 GMT
I've always thought this was misdirected energy. There is already robust requirements for financial disclosure for all candidates included all sources of income, assets and debts in DETAIL with the primary purpose of ensuring conflicts of interest are known. If there is additional information the public believes they need to know to adequately address conflicts of interest - they should modify the financial disclosure requirements. The biggest new information obtained on tax returns is charitable giving and use of tax deductions. And how do we know that anything on those financial disclosure forms is accurate? Trump has a private business. He isn't monitored by the SEC or required to be audited by an accounting firm as are companies with stock. Trump has posed with his tax returns before. It stacks up to several feet of forms which is far more than charitable giving and a few tax deductions. There is plenty of information there that is audited. In those deductions are far more about the details of who he does business with than anything I would trust on his financial disclosure forms, particularly from a family that has an outstanding record of lying about things as simple as their past business meetings. |
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Post by lisae on Sept 15, 2017 21:43:49 GMT
ridiculous hoops he/she has to jump through. If a candidate thinks it is a ridiculous hoop to provide a copy of their tax return, I hate to think how such a person could handle the complexities of the office of President. Oh, wait, we are seeing a copy of how such a person handles the job now. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 15, 2017 21:48:10 GMT
What specific information do you believe would be in his tax return that is not available on the financial disclosure? perhaps what his REAL, ACTUAL income is? (or isn't? lol!) ETA: after reading lisae's comments, I'll just say "DITTO" what she said. I don't trust the man as far as I could throw him, with what I've seen so far. I'd much rather have someone independent corroborate his financial dealings and conflicts than have him say "believe me, this is all the information." |
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Post by Merge on Sept 15, 2017 21:57:38 GMT
Trusting candidates to be truthful on their financial disclosures is apparently the height of folly, so we now need the tax returns to keep them honest. Republicans who are upset about this can blame their own elected president for the necessity.
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