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Post by rockymtnpea on Sept 24, 2017 21:41:04 GMT
What CarolinaGirl71 said. I am strictly forbidden to share political ideas etc at work. And the NFL/ game day is work. Express all you want outside of work (and leave out your 'company' name. But when at work...do your job. And in this case your job is playing football.
I would ask...and maybe someone has an answer, I really didn't search, what actions are you (General you) taking outside of work? Or is your big statement (for or against) when the camera pans around you again while you are AT work.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 24, 2017 21:43:19 GMT
That's what I keep saying and thinking. What does your occupation and wealth have to do with anyone having and opinion and the right to express it. They have the as much right to speak as anyone and we have the right to listen or not and agree or not. I've heard people complain that they have not political experience so they should just sing, dance, act or whatever they are paid to do. Really? Which other occupations get no voice? I think everyone gets a voice. It just irritates me when celebrities hog the mic. It is as though some of them think, hey, I'm special, so my opinion must be too. Or, since so many people love me, I must be right. I tend to side with the school of thought that says I'm paying you to entertain me, not lecture at me. However, on the flip side, I do admire it when celebrities lend their fame to good causes. Raising money and/or awareness. To them, something in the political arena might be just as good of a cause as cancer research or international orphans. See, I get that (and have thought that) but upon consideration I decided it's just the nature of the beast. They get advantages of celebrity as well as the burdens. Us 'regular folk' take risks and receive backlash for speaking out. Celebrities take even bigger risk of backlash when they speak up for what they think is right just by the larger platform they have. We don't have to listen or agree and in the end they are risking their livelihood because we can quit buying what they are selling. I know, for me, I have never felt the need to speak out so much in my life as I have recently- they just may feel the same.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 21:47:08 GMT
I have yet to see anyone say celebrities shouldn't have an opinion. I think the Dixie Chicks would disagree with you. I thought your comment was referring to people here at 2Peas.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 22:04:40 GMT
I have yet to see anyone say celebrities shouldn't have an opinion. I can screen shot a boatload of memes, tweets and comments on various articles and stories online that would number in the thousands and those are only the ones I have seen
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Post by scrapsotime on Sept 24, 2017 22:13:37 GMT
What CarolinaGirl71 said. I am strictly forbidden to share political ideas etc at work. And the NFL/ game day is work. Express all you want outside of work (and leave out your 'company' name. But when at work...do your job. And in this case your job is playing football. I would ask...and maybe someone has an answer, I really didn't search, what actions are you (General you) taking outside of work? Or is your big statement (for or against) when the camera pans around you again while you are AT work. I'm guessing your work doesn't play the National Anthem before you can start your work day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 22:21:25 GMT
I have yet to see anyone say celebrities shouldn't have an opinion. I can screen shot a boatload of memes, tweets and comments on various articles and stories online that would number in the thousands and those are only the ones I have seen I thought the comment was about members here at 2Peas.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 22:25:25 GMT
I can screen shot a boatload of memes, tweets and comments on various articles and stories online that would number in the thousands and those are only the ones I have seen I thought the comment was about members here at 2Peas. I saw that after, my apologies. With that said, if I get bored I am positive that I cam find many examples... In this thread In the thread about Meryl Streep boring speech at the Emmys or Oscars or whatever it was In the thread about CK last year when he knelt
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 22:30:31 GMT
I thought the comment was about members here at 2Peas. I saw that after, my apologies. With that said, if I get bored I am positive that I cam find many examples... In this thread In the thread about Meryl Streep boring speech at the Emmys or Oscars or whatever it was In the thread about CK last year when he knelt I can barely remember what was said back on page 1 of this thread let alone Streep's speech earlier this year or the CK thread last year, lol.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 22:34:44 GMT
I saw that after, my apologies. With that said, if I get bored I am positive that I cam find many examples... In this thread In the thread about Meryl Streep boring speech at the Emmys or Oscars or whatever it was In the thread about CK last year when he knelt I can barely remember what was said back on page 1 of this thread let alone Streep's speech earlier this year or the CK thread last year, lol. lol, I don't watch the awards shows, but it got pretty long so I stopped in to see what it was all about. I remember the weirdest crap and forget the important stuff
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Post by rockymtnpea on Sept 24, 2017 22:46:49 GMT
Scrapsotiime...yep you are right. The anthem isn't played before I start my day. And if it was I would be required to stand politely and respectfully. If my day happens to start somewhere (at times it does) and a prayer is being given (could be Christian, Jewish or Muslim) I am required to be quiet and respectful. I may not represent the company in any manner that has been outlined as unacceptable.
The NFL is a business. They can require certain behaviors from their employees.
We can talk all we want about what others can and cannot do but then it has to be extended to all. The firefighter that expressed his racist views was fired. Why? Cause folks didn't like his views. (Neither did it I but it is an example).
Remember when the executive went through chick fil a and causeda ruckus on his lunch hour? He was fired from the know you he worked at...they didn't want to be associated with someone with those views.
Again...these men are AT work. The views they want to express should be on their time.
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Post by myshelly on Sept 24, 2017 22:59:35 GMT
Scrapsotiime...yep you are right. The anthem isn't played before I start my day. And if it was I would be required to stand politely and respectfully. If my day happens to start somewhere (at times it does) and a prayer is being given (could be Christian, Jewish or Muslim) I am required to be quiet and respectful. I may not represent the company in any manner that has been outlined as unacceptable. The NFL is a business. They can require certain behaviors from their employees. We can talk all we want about what others can and cannot do but then it has to be extended to all. The firefighter that expressed his racist views was fired. Why? Cause folks didn't like his views. (Neither did it I but it is an example). Remember when the executive went through chick fil a and causeda ruckus on his lunch hour? He was fired from the know you he worked at...they didn't want to be associated with someone with those views. Again...these men are AT work. The views they want to express should be on their time. But they are being quiet and respectful. Wen I was in school the announcements started with the pledge. I didn't stand. I could not be required to stand. I see this as the same thing. They have found a way to protest that IS quiet and IS respectful and is NOT disruptive or violent in any way and people are STILL complaining.
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Post by *leslie* on Sept 24, 2017 23:03:50 GMT
I don't watch football so it doesn't effect me. I find the whole thing stupid. In the USA one has the freedom to express themselves as long as it doesn't hurt another person. Kneel, don't kneel. I think Villanueva quite brave to going against his teammates.
I do find the Left predictable in their hypocrisy though. They lost their shit when Tim Tebow would kneel to pray on the field but kneeling during the anthem is okay. Freedom of speech only when it suits them.
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Post by heathers on Sept 24, 2017 23:15:36 GMT
Maybe I should after watching how the Patriots played today
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Post by *leslie* on Sept 24, 2017 23:46:16 GMT
For those of you who say Kap isn't signed because he sucks...how do you explain the Dolphins signing freaking JAY CUTLER who admitted that he wasn't in shape and didn't plan to get in shape? Or those who seriously looked at Johnny Manziel? If you don't think Kap is being overlooked because of his stance on social causes, you aren't looking very hard. I disagree. I don't know much about the NFL but if he was the best of the best QB he would be playing right now. Some team would've snatched him up. Doesn't matter what the sport, baseball, basketball, hockey, if the guy is one of the best players out there, he will be playing somewhere. Team owners, coaches and the fans overlook A LOT as long as the team wins. I mean, you've got several NFL players accused or convicted of assault but people watch the games week after week.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 23:52:17 GMT
Scrapsotiime...yep you are right. The anthem isn't played before I start my day. And if it was I would be required to stand politely and respectfully. If my day happens to start somewhere (at times it does) and a prayer is being given (could be Christian, Jewish or Muslim) I am required to be quiet and respectful. I may not represent the company in any manner that has been outlined as unacceptable. The NFL is a business. They can require certain behaviors from their employees. We can talk all we want about what others can and cannot do but then it has to be extended to all. The firefighter that expressed his racist views was fired. Why? Cause folks didn't like his views. (Neither did it I but it is an example). Remember when the executive went through chick fil a and causeda ruckus on his lunch hour? He was fired from the know you he worked at...they didn't want to be associated with someone with those views. Again...these men are AT work. The views they want to express should be on their time. these men AT work have talked to their bosses and coaches and have been given the okay to do so. The fact that you don't want them to donut doesn't change the fact that the organization they work for have allowed this. If the team did not want them doing it, then they could be it go. And that is the team owners decision as well.
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Post by elaine on Sept 24, 2017 23:54:10 GMT
On a slightly tangential note, I'm tired of hearing the BS about how sports stars and movie stars and music stars make so much money and therefore shouldn't have or express political opinions like everyone else in this world. We're all allowed to have a career AND an opinion. People in the public eye who open their mouths are putting their money where their mouths are, and I respect that even if I disagree with their opinion. That's what I keep saying and thinking. What does your occupation and wealth have to do with anyone having and opinion and the right to express it. They have the as much right to speak as anyone and we have the right to listen or not and agree or not. I've heard people complain that they have not political experience so they should just sing, dance, act or whatever they are paid to do. Really? Which other occupations get no voice? Well, Trump had no political experience too. You would think those same people would have the exact same issue with him.
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Post by elaine on Sept 25, 2017 0:01:02 GMT
Scrapsotiime...yep you are right. The anthem isn't played before I start my day. And if it was I would be required to stand politely and respectfully. If my day happens to start somewhere (at times it does) and a prayer is being given (could be Christian, Jewish or Muslim) I am required to be quiet and respectful. I may not represent the company in any manner that has been outlined as unacceptable. The NFL is a business. They can require certain behaviors from their employees. We can talk all we want about what others can and cannot do but then it has to be extended to all. The firefighter that expressed his racist views was fired. Why? Cause folks didn't like his views. (Neither did it I but it is an example). Remember when the executive went through chick fil a and causeda ruckus on his lunch hour? He was fired from the know you he worked at...they didn't want to be associated with someone with those views. Again...these men are AT work. The views they want to express should be on their time. But they are being quiet and respectful.Wen I was in school the announcements started with the pledge. I didn't stand. I could not be required to stand. I see this as the same thing. They have found a way to protest that IS quiet and IS respectful and is NOT disruptive or violent in any way and people are STILL complaining. ^^^This. 1000 Times. Explain to me how silently taking a knee prevents or disturbs anyone wanting to stand and/or put their hand over their heart during the anthem. I wonder if people feel exactly the same way for October games where the players wear pink in support of breast cancer survivors and research. They interview players who share why the cause is important to them. Should they just “shut up and play the game” because that is their job? Or is it only okay for them to be a voice for social awareness when it is a cause you (general you) agree with?
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Post by rockymtnpea on Sept 25, 2017 0:08:11 GMT
Freecharlie I believe you are probably right on their bosses being ok with it. I don't believe I have ever said which side I fall on with this topic though.
I will say I watch the NFL to watch football, I watch ESPN to hear about sports. If I wanted to hear people talk/scream/partake/protest in political things I would tune into political shows. I tune into sports for sports, nothing else. Don't want my lazy waste the day time interrupted by anything other then sports. I want the players to play the game. I want the announcers to announce the game. I don't want to hear/see politics at that time. I can get that when I tune back into everyday life.
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Post by Skellinton on Sept 25, 2017 0:08:50 GMT
Can someone explain the significance of some of the players linking arms today? Is that in opposition of the kneeling or supporting the players who kneel? I don't watch football very much because it stresses me out, but was just reading about this.
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Post by rockymtnpea on Sept 25, 2017 0:10:03 GMT
I always get different insight from the Peas.
Elaine you bring up an interesting point. Off to think about things. 👍🏾😄
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Post by elaine on Sept 25, 2017 0:13:46 GMT
Freecharlie I believe you are probably right on their bosses being ok with it. I don't believe I have ever said which side I fall on with this topic though. I will say I watch the NFL to watch football, I watch ESPN to hear about sports. If I wanted to hear people talk/scream/partake/protest in political things I would tune into political shows. I tune into sports for sports, nothing else. Don't want my lazy waste the day time interrupted by anything other then sports. I want the players to play the game. I want the announcers to announce the game. I don't want to hear/see politics at that time. I can get that when I tune back into everyday life. So, how do you feel about when there are discussions and short films on Gameday about various athletes overcoming injury? Or family members of players battling cancer? Should the Jimmy V Foundation be abolished? Should I be offended when the Nationals have a game in support of Autism Awareness? What about the whole NFL-sponsored program aimed at getting children to be active 60 minutes a day? Sports has never ever been just about sports. See Jesse Owens or Jackie Robinson, for example.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 25, 2017 0:14:12 GMT
Can someone explain the significance of some of the players linking arms today? Is that in opposition of the kneeling or supporting the players who kneel? I don't watch football very much because it stresses me out, but was just reading about this. I believe it is the teams/league showing solidarity against trumps statements yesterday.
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Post by elaine on Sept 25, 2017 0:14:29 GMT
I always get different insight from the Peas. Elaine you bring up an interesting point. Off to think about things. 👍🏾😄
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 25, 2017 0:15:20 GMT
Freecharlie I believe you are probably right on their bosses being ok with it. I don't believe I have ever said which side I fall on with this topic though. I will say I watch the NFL to watch football, I watch ESPN to hear about sports. If I wanted to hear people talk/scream/partake/protest in political things I would tune into political shows. I tune into sports for sports, nothing else. Don't want my lazy waste the day time interrupted by anything other then sports. I want the players to play the game. I want the announcers to announce the game. I don't want to hear/see politics at that time. I can get that when I tune back into everyday life. I inferred where you stand based on your posts. Oddly I just ignore what I don't want to hear/see.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 25, 2017 0:18:20 GMT
Can someone explain the significance of some of the players linking arms today? Is that in opposition of the kneeling or supporting the players who kneel? I don't watch football very much because it stresses me out, but was just reading about this. Yep, they are showing unity and the right to protest (kneel in this case) or not. I saw a flash on the news that showed some guy (owner) who was linked with players and heard that he had previously donated $1million to 45 campaign of something. Now he is united with players and their rights and against 45 divisive speak. and tweets
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 25, 2017 0:22:50 GMT
Villanueva's teammates were standing right behind him.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 25, 2017 0:24:26 GMT
Villanueva's teammates were standing right behind him. is that the steelers player? I thought I saw a pic of some players behind him doing the same thing
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Post by Skellinton on Sept 25, 2017 1:22:51 GMT
Can someone explain the significance of some of the players linking arms today? Is that in opposition of the kneeling or supporting the players who kneel? I don't watch football very much because it stresses me out, but was just reading about this. Yep, they are showing unity and the right to protest (kneel in this case) or not. I saw a flash on the news that showed some guy (owner) who was linked with players and heard that he had previously donated $1million to 45 campaign of something. Now he is united with players and their rights and against 45 divisive speak. and tweets That is on of the things that confused me, some of the people standing arms linked are supposedly Trump supporters. The other was that some teams didn't even go out for the anthem. Glad to know that the arms linked people were doing this in solidarity, I prefer that to boycotting the anthem, but my opinion doesn't count for much regarding football! What did Brady do? He is a Trump supporter isn't he?
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 25, 2017 1:26:01 GMT
Yep, they are showing unity and the right to protest (kneel in this case) or not. I saw a flash on the news that showed some guy (owner) who was linked with players and heard that he had previously donated $1million to 45 campaign of something. Now he is united with players and their rights and against 45 divisive speak. and tweets That is on of the things that confused me, some of the people standing arms linked are supposedly Trump supporters. The other was that some teams didn't even go out for the anthem. Glad to know that the arms linked people were doing this in solidarity, I prefer that to boycotting the anthem, but my opinion doesn't count for much regarding football! What did Brady do? He is a Trump supporter isn't he? he stood, but also linked arms
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Post by J u l e e on Sept 25, 2017 1:34:44 GMT
Can someone explain the significance of some of the players linking arms today? Is that in opposition of the kneeling or supporting the players who kneel? I don't watch football very much because it stresses me out, but was just reading about this. I believe it is the teams/league showing solidarity against trumps statements yesterday. I live in Bengals land and comments on my Facebook feed about this indicate most people saw it as showing solidarity with Trumps statements. I really really try to stay away from the comment section - but some of my neighbors' comments just pop right up there. Lots of proud patriotic Bengals fans today! And lots of Go Trump! Rah rah.
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