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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2017 19:43:48 GMT
A bake sale at the University of New Mexico set up by a nonprofit group to charge students based on race and ethnicity ended after outraged opponents disrupted it. The group, Turning Point USA, set up what it called an "Affirmative Action Bake Sale" on campus Thursday with a sign advertising higher prices for Asians and Caucasians and cheaper prices for African Americans and Hispanics. Snipped from: CORRECT LINKabc7amarillo.com/news/nation-world/new-mexico-college-bake-sale-charged-prices-based-on-race
Whats your thoughts about this? (edited with correct link)
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Post by Skellinton on Sept 24, 2017 19:48:45 GMT
Link just brings us back here.
Based on your summary, sounds like someone was trying to make a point while missing the original point entirely.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 19:48:57 GMT
Your link brings me back here.
I don't agree with it at all, but what i do is make sure anybody charged a higher price just didn't buy and/or set up a second stand that did equal pricing.
Shit like this only widens the divide imo
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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2017 19:53:40 GMT
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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2017 19:54:12 GMT
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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2017 19:55:32 GMT
Your link brings me back here. I don't agree with it at all, but what i do is make sure anybody charged a higher price just didn't buy and/or set up a second stand that did equal pricing. Shit like this only widens the divide imo This is my initial response. It is only making things worse, and not really helping at all. But I also realize I am an upper middle class white woman, so maybe I not seeing the entirety of the situation either. Which is why I am asking the peas.
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Post by Skellinton on Sept 24, 2017 19:58:32 GMT
Your link brings me back here. I don't agree with it at all, but what i do is make sure anybody charged a higher price just didn't buy and/or set up a second stand that did equal pricing. Shit like this only widens the divide imo This is my initial response. It is only making things worse, and not really helping at all. But I also realize I am an upper middle class white woman, so maybe I not seeing the entirety of the situation either. Which is why I am asking the peas. That is basically where I am too, except for the upper class white woman, I am firmly in the middle of middle class. Thank you for fixing the link.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 20:15:16 GMT
Your link brings me back here. I don't agree with it at all, but what i do is make sure anybody charged a higher price just didn't buy and/or set up a second stand that did equal pricing. Shit like this only widens the divide imo This is my initial response. It is only making things worse, and not really helping at all. But I also realize I am an upper middle class white woman, so maybe I not seeing the entirety of the situation either. Which is why I am asking the peas. but as an upper middle white woman, you see it as potentially widening the divide. I think that is just as relevant as any other viewpoint as the divide isn't just created or felt by one group.
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Post by annabella on Sept 24, 2017 20:16:00 GMT
I don't get it, your college tuition package is based on income regardless of your race?
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Post by hop2 on Sept 24, 2017 20:24:50 GMT
IMO ( which clearly won’t count ) that kind of stuff just raises hackles and wastes time. It doesn’t solve anything.
However- I’m interested in 1 why Asians were charged more along with the caucasians? 2 how did they define Asians. I have seen many people who do not know what constitutes Asia. I can assure you there are plenty of people whose heritage is from the Asian continent that deal with discrimination all the time, so I don’t understand the ‘divide’ They are creating. Also plenty of people of Asian descent who are dealing with increased discrimination in the last few years because some people are too lazy to differentiate them from other groups they want to hate.
All in all I don’t think I could support their cause because it confuses me. BUT whatever point they are trying to make at least it’s peaceful and optional so they can rock on and be themselves.
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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2017 20:39:11 GMT
I don't get it, your college tuition package is based on income regardless of your race? Did you read the OP? There was a BAKE SALE on campus. WHAT THEY CHARGED for the BAKE GOODS was based solely on RACE.
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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2017 20:41:37 GMT
This is my initial response. It is only making things worse, and not really helping at all. But I also realize I am an upper middle class white woman, so maybe I not seeing the entirety of the situation either. Which is why I am asking the peas. but as an upper middle white woman, you see it as potentially widening the divide. I think that is just as relevant as any other viewpoint as the divide isn't just created or felt by one group. I agree, freecharlie but I also know that its easy for me to not see the whole picture and sole base my opinion on how it effects me. When I read the article I didn't think it was a good thing. But I did wonder how others who are not like me felt about it.
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Post by LeaP on Sept 24, 2017 20:53:42 GMT
Seems designed to be a lightning rod for controversy. Are they prejudiced because they omitted Native Americans? How about Pacific Islanders? What about Jews and Muslims?
It is a slippery slope, but even though I disagree, as long as there is free speech they should exercise it.
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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2017 21:00:09 GMT
Seems designed to be a lightning rod for controversy. Are they prejudiced because they omitted Native Americans? How about Pacific Islanders? What about Jews and Muslims? It is a slippery slope, but even though I disagree, as long as there is free speech they should exercise it. HA! DH said the same thing. And the area the school is in is heavily influenced by Native Americans.
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Post by Basket1lady on Sept 24, 2017 21:34:49 GMT
From reading the linked article, it seems the whole point of the bake sale was to be controversial--or at least start a talk about affirmative action.
I know a sophomore there. He's as nerdy as they come. His mom joked that there was no point in applying for scholarships, as he was a white male going into a STEM field. Only 35% of the students are Caucasian there. It seems strange/ironic that what would be perceived as the majority group is actually the minority. I'm sure many would say that's still the privileged group.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 24, 2017 22:02:44 GMT
From reading the linked article, it seems the whole point of the bake sale was to be controversial--or at least start a talk about affirmative action. I know a sophomore there. He's as nerdy as they come. His mom joked that there was no point in applying for scholarships, as he was a white male going into a STEM field. Only 35% of the students are Caucasian there. It seems strange/ironic that what would be perceived as the majority group is actually the minority. I'm sure many would say that's still the privileged group. I have a nerdy white boy in my house. He was second in his class. The female first in the class got a full scholarship for premed. They were within a few hundredths of a GPA difference. My son had volunteering and work experience beyond hers. He did not qualify for STEM scholarships beyond the small one the school offered anyone in the engineering field. Our financial situation and him being white and male did keep him from scholarships. He bucked up, went to a job fair, went through a two week trial process (no pay) and got an internship based on his knowledge of engineering and critical thinking. This was all the first month of his freshman year. He's in his third year and still with the same engineering firm. This experience will be worth more than a scholarship. Things are different for different sexes and races. No denying it.
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Post by chances on Sept 24, 2017 22:08:39 GMT
Didn't read the article, but the affirmative action bake sale is something conservative groups have done on campus for quite awhile. The point is supposed to be that blacks and Hispanics have an easier time in admissions, hence the lower charge. While whites and Asians are perceived to be at a disadvantage, hence being charged more.
I think it's petulant and simplistic, but most importantly inaccurate.
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Post by mom on Sept 24, 2017 22:16:14 GMT
Didn't read the article, but the affirmative action bake sale is something conservative groups have done on campus for quite awhile. The point is supposed to be that blacks and Hispanics have an easier time in admissions, hence the lower charge. While whites and Asians are perceived to be at a disadvantage, hence being charged more. I think it's petulant and simplistic, but most importantly inaccurate. ha. I did not know this. Granted, the school I attended was a large university stuck in the middle of no where Texas where most would be classified as Conservative.
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Post by hop2 on Sept 24, 2017 23:16:54 GMT
Didn't read the article, but the affirmative action bake sale is something conservative groups have done on campus for quite awhile. The point is supposed to be that blacks and Hispanics have an easier time in admissions, hence the lower charge. While whites and Asians are perceived to be at a disadvantage, hence being charged more. I think it's petulant and simplistic, but most importantly inaccurate. This is why I asked how the group defined Asians because imo they clearly have missed something. Also my white ‘nerd’ boy had no issues being offered scholarships. Only 1 state university offered him nothing. I guess it depends on where your applying?
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Post by elaine on Sept 25, 2017 0:07:34 GMT
A bake sale at the University of New Mexico set up by a nonprofit group to charge students based on race and ethnicity ended after outraged opponents disrupted it. The group, Turning Point USA, set up what it called an "Affirmative Action Bake Sale" on campus Thursday with a sign advertising higher prices for Asians and Caucasians and cheaper prices for African Americans and Hispanics. Snipped from: CORRECT LINKabc7amarillo.com/news/nation-world/new-mexico-college-bake-sale-charged-prices-based-on-race
Whats your thoughts about this? (edited with correct link) Turning Point USA - the group that did this - is a conservative group. They did this on a campus with a predominantly person of color student body simply to stir up shit. How nice of them. I thought that the article did a very poor job of explaining the situation.
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Post by mom on Sept 25, 2017 0:19:16 GMT
A bake sale at the University of New Mexico set up by a nonprofit group to charge students based on race and ethnicity ended after outraged opponents disrupted it. The group, Turning Point USA, set up what it called an "Affirmative Action Bake Sale" on campus Thursday with a sign advertising higher prices for Asians and Caucasians and cheaper prices for African Americans and Hispanics. Snipped from: CORRECT LINKabc7amarillo.com/news/nation-world/new-mexico-college-bake-sale-charged-prices-based-on-race
Whats your thoughts about this? (edited with correct link) Turning Point USA - the group that did this - is a conservative group. They did this on a campus with a predominantly person of color student body simply to stir up shit. How nice of them. I thought that the article did a very poor job of explaining the situation. Interesting. I will have to read up more on them as I have not heard of them before.
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Post by elaine on Sept 25, 2017 0:24:19 GMT
Turning Point USA - the group that did this - is a conservative group. They did this on a campus with a predominantly person of color student body simply to stir up shit. How nice of them. I thought that the article did a very poor job of explaining the situation. Interesting. I will have to read up more on them as I have not heard of them before. So, did you assume that it was a group run by persons of color purposefully discriminating against whites and “Asians”? Is that why you posted it? When something doesn’t make sense - as the article didn’t - it is probably a good thing to google. Turning Point USA doesn’t hide who they are. They did this to disrespect the majority of the students there by implying they didn’t work as hard to get into college as their white and “Asian” counterparts. It was a shitty thing to do. The students shouldn’t have destroyed their lovely baked goodies. And, it doesn’t change that Turning Point USA’s intention was to insult all of them and stir up controversy.
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Post by mom on Sept 25, 2017 0:33:38 GMT
Interesting. I will have to read up more on them as I have not heard of them before. So, did you assume that it was a group run by persons of color purposefully discriminating against whites and “Asians”? Is that why you posted it? When something doesn’t make sense - as the article didn’t - it is probably a good thing to google. Turning Point USA doesn’t hide who they are. They did this to disrespect the majority of the students there by implying they didn’t work as hard to get into college as their white and “Asian” counterparts. It was a shitty thing to do. The students shouldn’t have destroyed their lovely baked goodies. And, it doesn’t change that Turning Point USA’s intention was to insult all of them and stir up controversy. Actually I posted it because my Facebook feed is blowing up with this article. I am fairly close to the school. My gut reaction was that it was discriminating - but as I have learned from 2 Peas, many times after reading other peoples response I see how my initial response was short sited and based on my personal experiences. No I did not google it. I typically learn me from certain Peas that I could from so-called unbiased journalist. Thanks for the hand slap though for not using google. In the future I will just trust my gut instinct and go about my day.
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Post by elaine on Sept 25, 2017 0:37:08 GMT
Am I misremembering? Was it you with the article about what turned out not to be accurate info about the ethnic make-up in AP classes/affirmative action in the high school in Winchester that you pulled? If you are getting your affirmative action-related news stories from one main source, you need another one! LOL! They don’t have a great batting average.
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Post by chances on Sept 25, 2017 0:43:12 GMT
Didn't read the article, but the affirmative action bake sale is something conservative groups have done on campus for quite awhile. The point is supposed to be that blacks and Hispanics have an easier time in admissions, hence the lower charge. While whites and Asians are perceived to be at a disadvantage, hence being charged more. I think it's petulant and simplistic, but most importantly inaccurate. This is why I asked how the group defined Asians because imo they clearly have missed something. Also my white ‘nerd’ boy had no issues being offered scholarships. Only 1 state university offered him nothing. I guess it depends on where your applying? Well since this group is just trying to start shit I don't think they have a very well thought out definition of who is Asian. Also, because Asians (as a group, not disaggregated) are over represented in colleges, anti-affirmative action groups try to paint them as the greatest victims of affirmative action--i.e. the more undeserving brown people get in, the more hard working Asians are denied (eye roll, puke)
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Post by mom on Sept 25, 2017 0:44:30 GMT
Am I misremembering? Was it you with the article about what turned out not to be accurate info about the ethnic make-up in AP classes/affirmative action in the high school in Winchester that you pulled? If you are getting your affirmative action-related news stories from one main source, you need another one! LOL! They don’t have a great batting average. Yes it was me - then I googled and found it was incorrect. And no, it was not the same source. I have no trouble admitting when I am wrong which is what I did. I am not getting in pissing match with you. I typically can appreciate your viewpoint on many things, even if I disagree. I asked about this article to see if there were other viewpoints other than my own. I completely own how my background can skew things in how I view then so I asked for other opinions. End of story. Have a great day.
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Post by chances on Sept 25, 2017 0:47:38 GMT
So, did you assume that it was a group run by persons of color purposefully discriminating against whites and “Asians”? Is that why you posted it? When something doesn’t make sense - as the article didn’t - it is probably a good thing to google. Turning Point USA doesn’t hide who they are. They did this to disrespect the majority of the students there by implying they didn’t work as hard to get into college as their white and “Asian” counterparts. It was a shitty thing to do. The students shouldn’t have destroyed their lovely baked goodies. And, it doesn’t change that Turning Point USA’s intention was to insult all of them and stir up controversy. Actually I posted it because my Facebook feed is blowing up with this article. I am fairly close to the school. My gut reaction was that it was discriminating - but as I have learned from 2 Peas, many times after reading other peoples response I see how my initial response was short sited and based on my personal experiences. No I did not google it. I typically learn me from certain Peas that I could from so-called unbiased journalist. Thanks for the hand slap though for not using google. In the future I will just trust my gut instinct and go about my day. So your Facebook people thought it was black/Hispanic people discriminating by charging more? Did people mention affirmative action? I've never heard of this misunderstandng before. Interesting.
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Post by mom on Sept 25, 2017 0:56:12 GMT
Actually I posted it because my Facebook feed is blowing up with this article. I am fairly close to the school. My gut reaction was that it was discriminating - but as I have learned from 2 Peas, many times after reading other peoples response I see how my initial response was short sited and based on my personal experiences. No I did not google it. I typically learn me from certain Peas that I could from so-called unbiased journalist. Thanks for the hand slap though for not using google. In the future I will just trust my gut instinct and go about my day. So your Facebook people thought it was black/Hispanic people discriminating by charging more? Did people mention affirmative action? I've never heard of this misunderstandng before. Interesting. The first person I saw post this was a hispanic and he thought it was 'about time Mexicans (his word) got something cheaper'. Others that posted thought it was a chickenshit and caused undue division. A couple of the comments I read said something along the lines of they were making a statement about true equality. A few said it was discrimination and were pissed. No one specifically said Affirmative Action, though.
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