wellway
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Post by wellway on Oct 12, 2017 17:56:20 GMT
Fascinating, so many questions. BBC Researchers in Sweden have found Arabic characters woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves. The discovery raises new questions about the influence of Islam in Scandinavia, writes journalist Tharik Hussain. They were kept in storage for more than 100 years, dismissed as typical examples of Viking Age funeral clothes. But a new investigation into the garments - found in 9th and 10th Century graves - has thrown up groundbreaking insights into contact between the Viking and Muslim worlds. Patterns woven with silk and silver thread have been found to spell the words "Allah" and "Ali". www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41567391 |
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Post by lucyg on Oct 12, 2017 18:01:20 GMT
oooh! More medieval history! This is a good pea day for me! thank you  |
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Anita
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Post by Anita on Oct 12, 2017 18:04:39 GMT
Very interesting, thank you!
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pyccku
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Post by pyccku on Oct 12, 2017 18:10:32 GMT
Dang, now what are all these master race Nordic wannabes going to say?
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Post by Lindarina on Oct 12, 2017 18:14:29 GMT
Thanks for sharing.
It doesn't surprise me. The vikings travelled to the other continents, and traded with different cultures. They worked as bodyguards of the Byzantine emperor and must have come in contact with muslims in Istanbul. In the mosque/cathedral Hagia Sophia one can see rune inscriptions from this periode.
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Post by Lindarina on Oct 12, 2017 18:19:41 GMT
Dang, now what are all these master race Nordic wannabes going to say? The vikings would have kicked their racist, narrow minded asses. I hate that nazis are trying to claim the viking heritage. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 12, 2017 18:23:52 GMT
Interesting!! My cousin who did my family tree says I have some Norse blood...........
People just don't understand how interconnected we all are.......
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Oct 12, 2017 18:26:36 GMT
oooh! More medieval history! This is a good pea day for me! thank you Right?  |
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Post by miominmio on Oct 12, 2017 18:54:15 GMT
oooh! More medieval history! This is a good pea day for me! thank you Strictly speaking; no. The Middle Ages didn't start until after Christianity was ...ehh.. "introduced.... so in Scandinavia, the medieval period starts 1030 in Norway and even later in Sweden. |
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rodeomom
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Post by rodeomom on Oct 12, 2017 18:55:10 GMT
Dang, now what are all these master race Nordic wannabes going to say? The vikings would have kicked their racist, narrow minded asses. I hate that nazis are trying to claim the viking heritage. I know!! Makes me so mad!  |
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Post by miominmio on Oct 12, 2017 18:56:21 GMT
Dang, now what are all these master race Nordic wannabes going to say? The vikings would have kicked their racist, narrow minded asses. I hate that nazis are trying to claim the viking heritage. I hate them so, so much! And did you see the knitted sweater for the Alpine team for the winter olympics? It had the Tyr rune on it, so Dale had to pull it because it was racist? |
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Post by miominmio on Oct 12, 2017 18:57:39 GMT
Thanks for sharing. It doesn't surprise me. The vikings travelled to the other continents, and traded with different cultures. They worked as bodyguards of the Byzantine emperor and must have come in contact with muslims in Istanbul. In the mosque/cathedral Hagia Sophia one can see rune inscriptions from this periode. Large amounts of coins minted in the Arabia world has been found in hoards all over the viking world. |
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Post by miominmio on Oct 12, 2017 19:02:54 GMT
Truth be told, this brings very little, if any, new understanding. Christian artifacts have been found in burial mounds nd hoards for a long time, the same goes for Arabic coins. All it shows, is that, directly or indirectly, that person had contact with someone from the Islamic world. And we know they did, since the Arabic world was the largest comsumer of slaves in that time period. Silk was a precious commodity, and the letters on them would just have looked ornamental to a people who had almost no written language.
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Post by Lindarina on Oct 12, 2017 19:50:22 GMT
The vikings would have kicked their racist, narrow minded asses. I hate that nazis are trying to claim the viking heritage. I hate them so, so much! And did you see the knitted sweater for the Alpine team for the winter olympics? It had the Tyr rune on it, so Dale had to pull it because it was racist? I just read an article about how viking enthusiasts are trying to take back the viking symbols. I hpoe they succeed. I wish that Dale hadn't pulled the sweater pattern. With 10.000 people wearing it, it could have changed the new negative interpretation of the Tyr rune. |
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Post by hop2 on Oct 12, 2017 20:05:10 GMT
I hate them so, so much! And did you see the knitted sweater for the Alpine team for the winter olympics? It had the Tyr rune on it, so Dale had to pull it because it was racist? I just read an article about how viking enthusiasts are trying to take back the viking symbols. I hpoe they succeed. I wish that Dale hadn't pulled the sweater pattern. With 10.000 people wearing it, it could have changed the new negative interpretation of the Tyr rune. Wait what? There’s a negative meaning to the the rune/warrior rune/ tiwaz rune? Ami thinking of thevsring rune? |
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Post by vspindler on Oct 12, 2017 23:20:34 GMT
That researcher has kind of a bad reputation (jumps to conclusions). Some of my uber geeky reenactor friends get twitchy when she comes out with stuff.
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Post by miominmio on Oct 13, 2017 4:49:16 GMT
I hate them so, so much! And did you see the knitted sweater for the Alpine team for the winter olympics? It had the Tyr rune on it, so Dale had to pull it because it was racist? I just read an article about how viking enthusiasts are trying to take back the viking symbols. I hpoe they succeed. I wish that Dale hadn't pulled the sweater pattern. With 10.000 people wearing it, it could have changed the new negative interpretation of the Tyr rune. I'm trying......every single day. But you get a lot of nasty looks and remarks when you wear Mjolnir. The christians are still very good at demonising us, and those neoNazis certainly don't make it any easier. |
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Post by miominmio on Oct 13, 2017 4:50:39 GMT
I just read an article about how viking enthusiasts are trying to take back the viking symbols. I hpoe they succeed. I wish that Dale hadn't pulled the sweater pattern. With 10.000 people wearing it, it could have changed the new negative interpretation of the Tyr rune. Wait what? There’s a negative meaning to the the rune/warrior rune/ tiwaz rune? Ami thinking of thevsring rune? Neo Nazis have started wearing it and using it on flags. If we continue to let this slide, the entire futhark will be lost to us. |
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Post by anniefb on Oct 13, 2017 7:46:13 GMT
Very interesting TFS!
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Oct 13, 2017 10:58:04 GMT
That researcher has kind of a bad reputation (jumps to conclusions). Some of my uber geeky reenactor friends get twitchy when she comes out with stuff. Looking into it, her timing is off too - the grave it came from was from the 10th century. Kufic text was around from the 7th century but square Kufic didn't pop up until the 12th or 13th centuries. |
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Post by miominmio on Oct 13, 2017 16:45:02 GMT
That researcher has kind of a bad reputation (jumps to conclusions). Some of my uber geeky reenactor friends get twitchy when she comes out with stuff. Looking into it, her timing is off too - the grave it came from was from the 10th century. Kufic text was around from the 7th century but square Kufic didn't pop up until the 12th or 13th centuries. So you’re actually saying it might not be true? *intrigued*. |
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Post by miominmio on Oct 13, 2017 16:48:29 GMT
Interestingly, this popped up in a FB group today, and I stated, as I have above, why claiming the person was muslim, might be jumping to conclusions. Man, did they try to rip me to shreds! Racist, islamophobic refugee-hater was among the nicer things they said before the post was deleted.
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Post by gar on Oct 13, 2017 17:10:13 GMT
Interestingly, this popped up in a FB group today, and I stated, as I have above, why claiming the person was muslim, might be jumping to conclusions. Man, did they try to rip me to shreds! Racist, islamophobic refugee-hater was among the nicer things they said before the post was deleted. Wow! |
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