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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 19, 2017 19:48:09 GMT
Kelly says he advised Trump on calls to families of fallen soldiers
By Jeremy Diamond, CNN Updated 3:26 PM ET, Thu October 19, 2017 Washington (CNN)White House chief of staff John Kelly said Thursday he advised President Donald Trump on what to say before he called the families of the four fallen soldiers who died during an ambush in Niger. Kelly said from the White House briefing room that he advised Trump to offer similar words that Gen. Joseph Dunford offered to Kelly when his son was killed in Afghanistan. "He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1%. He knew what the possibilities were because we were at war," Kelly said, channeling Dunford's words to him upon the death of Kelly's son. "And when he died he was surrounded by the best men on this earth, his friends. That's what the President tried to say to the four families the other day." Kelly said he was "stunned" Wednesday when he heard what Rep. Frederica Wilson said about Trump's phone conversation with the widow of a fallen soldier. Kelly said it prompted him to leave the White House to go to Arlington National Cemetery and "go walk among the finest men and women on this earth." www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-niger-family-calls/index.html?adkey=bnThere is a flaw... I don't remember Kelly's rank but it was high (Lt Col?), and he was told by GENERAL Dunford ... High rank Military to high rank Military would, I think, use different words.. I do not think that they are appropriate words to a young civilian wife who is in a limo ON THE WAY TO RECEIVE HER HUSBANDS BODY. Maybe I am wrong, but........... I can't find the other article where Kelly stated he did not know that dt was going to tell the world that Obama did not call him.
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Post by casii on Oct 19, 2017 19:54:15 GMT
He may have advised Trump, but from what we've witnessed in his statements and speeches, unless Trump is reading directly from a teleprompter or scripted set, he will go off course 100% of the time.
I hope he's telling the truth and he didn't just flush his integrity down the toilet.
This could have all been avoided if Trump had not decided to politicize his handling of military losses vs previous presidents. It could all be avoided by doing the honorable thing to begin with.
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Post by rodeomom on Oct 19, 2017 19:58:36 GMT
"There is a flaw... I don't remember Kelly's rank but it was high (Lt Col?), and he was told by GENERAL Dunford ... High rank Military to high rank Military would, I think, use different words.. I do not think that they are appropriate words to a young civilian wife who is in a limo ON THE WAY TO RECEIVE HER HUSBANDS BODY. Maybe I am wrong, but........... "
Yes talking to Military is different than talking to civilians. A mother or father or wife.. No. And he might have told DT what to say but there is no way DT could have said it like Kelly. This is crazy!
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 19, 2017 20:01:05 GMT
Kelly says he advised Trump on calls to families of fallen soldiers
By Jeremy Diamond, CNN Updated 3:26 PM ET, Thu October 19, 2017 Washington (CNN)White House chief of staff John Kelly said Thursday he advised President Donald Trump on what to say before he called the families of the four fallen soldiers who died during an ambush in Niger. Kelly said from the White House briefing room that he advised Trump to offer similar words that Gen. Joseph Dunford offered to Kelly when his son was killed in Afghanistan. "He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1%. He knew what the possibilities were because we were at war," Kelly said, channeling Dunford's words to him upon the death of Kelly's son. "And when he died he was surrounded by the best men on this earth, his friends. That's what the President tried to say to the four families the other day." Kelly said he was "stunned" Wednesday when he heard what Rep. Frederica Wilson said about Trump's phone conversation with the widow of a fallen soldier. Kelly said it prompted him to leave the White House to go to Arlington National Cemetery and "go walk among the finest men and women on this earth." www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-niger-family-calls/index.html?adkey=bnI feel there is a flaw... I don't remember Kelly's rank but it was high (Lt Col?), and he was told by GENERAL Dunford ... High rank Military to high rank Military would, I think, use different words.. I do not think that they are appropriate words to a young civilian wife who is in a limo ON THE WAY TO RECEIVE HER HUSBANDS BODY. Maybe I am wrong, but...........
I can't find the other article where Kelly stated he did not know that dt was going to tell the world that Obama did not call him. My reaction is the same as yours. With a member of the military offering condolences to another member of the military, I can see those words being used. They come across as cold when said by someone who has expressed a desire to own a Purple Heart but no desire to earn one. SaveSave |
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Post by jayfab on Oct 19, 2017 20:05:48 GMT
"There is a flaw... I don't remember Kelly's rank but it was high (Lt Col?), and he was told by GENERAL Dunford ... High rank Military to high rank Military would, I think, use different words.. I do not think that they are appropriate words to a young civilian wife who is in a limo ON THE WAY TO RECEIVE HER HUSBANDS BODY. Maybe I am wrong, but........... " Yes talking to Military is different than talking to civilians. A mother or father or wife.. No. And he might have told DT what to say but there is no way DT could have said it like Kelly. This is crazy! Yup, and dollars to donuts I bet Trumps tone was not exactly comforting. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 19, 2017 20:16:18 GMT
that is so awful... Donald Trump is a callous man who has no feeling for anyone or anything but his own reputation and 'winning' every.damn.thing. from Kelly: That's what the President tried to say to the four families the other day." I WISH, WISH, WISH that people would stop explaining what he 'meant' to say or what he was 'trying to say' and just call him what he IS-- an idiot, and a LIAR. |
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Post by annabella on Oct 19, 2017 20:21:49 GMT
"He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1%. He knew what the possibilities were because we were at war," Kelly said, channeling Dunford's words to him upon the death of Kelly's son. "And when he died he was surrounded by the best men on this earth, his friends. That's what the President tried to say to the four families the other day." I don't find this comforting at all? He wanted to get killed? He wanted to do something that the risk is getting killed? Maybe he joined to just provide an income for his family and was told to go to war. How can you assume he wanted to go to war? He died surrounding by co-workers he's known for how long? Yes people joining the military know it's a lottery for their life, but geez you don't say "he knew what he was getting into". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 20:22:49 GMT
But then you have this from Politico... “John Kelly: I was 'stunned' and 'heartbroken' to see congresswoman attacking Trump for widow call politi.co/2gv7EF4” He also goes on to say the Congresswoman shouldn’t have been there. Its starting to look like he is willingly joining trump in that cess pool. Politico article |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 19, 2017 20:22:53 GMT
that is so awful... Donald Trump is a callous man who has no feeling for anyone or anything but his own reputation and 'winning' every.damn.thing. from Kelly: That's what the President tried to say to the four families the other day." I WISH, WISH, WISH that people would stop explaining what he 'meant' to say or what he was 'trying to say' and just call him what he IS-- an idiot, and a LIAR. 'Sarah' stated that Kelly was present for the phone call as well as others. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 19, 2017 20:25:33 GMT
He also goes on to say the Congresswoman shouldn’t have been there. As we have heard, she was a long time family friend. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 20:26:01 GMT
I do believe that Kelly advised Trump but he didn't confirm he was present so aren't we still at she said/ he said?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 19, 2017 20:26:03 GMT
oh, I get that-- it's just that other people have to CONTINUALLY explain the things that Trump says or does, and I'm sick of it. I wish there was someone in office who could say what he meant without continually putting both feet in his mouth with his bumbling pomposity and ignorance.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 19, 2017 20:48:37 GMT
I do believe that Kelly advised Trump but he didn't confirm he was present so aren't we still at she said/ he said? No, we have also heard from the aunt. So for now 2 > 1. |
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 19, 2017 20:52:23 GMT
He also goes on to say the Congresswoman shouldn’t have been there. As we have heard, she was a long time family friend. She said in an interview that she had been his elementary school principal and watched him grow up all of these years. She was extremely proud of him and his accomplishments. I can see why what Trump said would have set her off. It wasn't kind or consoling. I can also see why she went with the widow to receive the body. His wife needed support. I am glad she was there. |
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Post by janeliz on Oct 19, 2017 21:03:40 GMT
I wonder if John Kelly is stunned and heartbroken when Trump trashes John McCain. I wonder if he was stunned and heartbroken when the Khan family was dragged through the mud.
He should spare us the lectures.
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Post by inkedup on Oct 19, 2017 21:10:46 GMT
Advising Trump on what to say is like trying to advise an angry toddler: fruitless and probably irritating as fuck.
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Post by inkedup on Oct 19, 2017 21:13:54 GMT
But then you have this from Politico... “John Kelly: I was 'stunned' and 'heartbroken' to see congresswoman attacking Trump for widow call politi.co/2gv7EF4” He also goes on to say the Congresswoman shouldn’t have been there. Its starting to look like he is willingly joining trump in that cess pool. Politico articleThe fallen soldier's family had every right to invite whomever they wanted to share this terrible, tragic moment with them. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 19, 2017 21:26:44 GMT
This is all just so ugly. It's such a tragedy on so many levels. Grief is is so personal, and I've seen over and over again that people have dramatically different responses to words said to them. What may have been comforting to Mr. Kelly, could be abrasive and unfeeling to someone else. Even the most innocuous phrases can be misconstrued when you're faced with burying your loved one. I personally take great exception to "doing what he loved" and got to the point where I wanted to physically hurt the next person who said it to me, while I know many other people take comfort in that sentiment. I think some may feel there's an aspect of control and honor in choosing to enlist and knowing the risks and going anyway. I imagine that's why John Kelly found comfort although it's not something that would comfort me. I don't question the family's decision to have whoever the wanted with them. I do question whether Congresswoman Wilson should have further politicized this tragedy because she didn't care for one of Trump's phrases and going to the press.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 19, 2017 21:27:20 GMT
i have a feeling they put Kelly up to this probably to deflect the bad press this is getting. they probably figured that if someone credible and respectable said it first, it must not be bad. sorry i'm so cynical but look who we are talking about here.
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Post by PLurker on Oct 19, 2017 21:32:24 GMT
either way, 45 is a liar. Afterwards he said he did not say it and now they are defending (in essence) that he did but the congress woman is in the wrong for repeating what he said. My head spins with all the BS he causes. Also from THIS article, does this bother anyone else? (I heard this on the radio and googled to see if I heard right)>>>> "While taking questions from reporters after his comments, Kelly said he would only call on reporters who personally knew Gold Star families." |
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 19, 2017 21:37:32 GMT
This is all just so ugly. It's such a tragedy on so many levels. Grief is is so personal, and I've seen over and over again that people have dramatically different responses to words said to them. What may have been comforting to Mr. Kelly, could be abrasive and unfeeling to someone else. Even the most innocuous phrases can be misconstrued when you're faced with burying your loved one. I personally take great exception to "doing what he loved" and got to the point where I wanted to physically hurt the next person who said it to me, while I know many other people take comfort in that sentiment. I think some may feel there's an aspect of control and honor in choosing to enlist and knowing the risks and going anyway. I imagine that's why John Kelly found comfort although it's not something that would comfort me. I don't question the family's decision to have whoever the wanted with them. I do question whether Congresswoman Wilson should have further politicized this tragedy because she didn't care for one of Trump's phrases and going to the press. According to Wilson (television interview from the phone), Trump told reporters he had called the widow on her way to retrieve the body. When Wilson got out of the vehicle, the press asked her if the President had called (because Trump alerted them) and what he had said. If that is true, then he was the one who started the whole thing. I can see being questioned by reporters getting out of the vehicle and telling them exactly what he had said. I wouldn't have minced words either. A six month pregnant grieving widow sitting in the fetal position of the car hearing someone not use her husband's actual name and telling her he signed up for it. It just doesn't even seem possible in my head. |
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Post by lucillebluth on Oct 19, 2017 21:40:45 GMT
"While taking questions from reporters after his comments, Kelly said he would only call on reporters who personally knew Gold Star families."That's just so bizarre. I haven't seen the whole thing yet, but he also said something about women not being held sacred anymore? What's that about? (As I read on Twitter, "He seems to have forgotten that he works for Donald Trump.") I don't want to be held sacred, I want to be treated like an equal human being. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 19, 2017 21:45:57 GMT
i have a feeling they put Kelly up to this probably to deflect the bad press this is getting. they probably figured that if someone credible and respectable said it first, it must not be bad. sorry i'm so cynical but look who we are talking about here. If in fact that is the case, then Kelly is no longer credible!! And that is EXTREMELY disappointing! |
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Post by rodeomom on Oct 19, 2017 21:47:13 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 19, 2017 21:50:47 GMT
either way, 45 is a liar. Afterwards he said he did not say it and now they are defending (in essence) that he did but the congress woman is in the wrong for repeating what he said. My head spins with all the BS he causes. Also from THIS article, does this bother anyone else? (I heard this on the radio and googled to see if I heard right)>>>> "While taking questions from reporters after his comments, Kelly said he would only call on reporters who personally knew Gold Star families."In that article Kelly states, "Trump asked Kelly how to make the calls, to which Kelly said he replied that if you have never worn the uniform and have never been in combat "you can’t even imagine how to make that call."" dt is an ass and should not have said more then I AM SORRY for your loss, is there anything I can do for your family, PERIOD! |
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Post by gar on Oct 19, 2017 21:51:16 GMT
i have a feeling they put Kelly up to this probably to deflect the bad press this is getting. they probably figured that if someone credible and respectable said it first, it must not be bad. sorry i'm so cynical but look who we are talking about here. If in fact that is the case, then Kelly is no longer credible!! And that is EXTREMELY disappointing! The latest fall guy. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 19, 2017 21:54:06 GMT
"While taking questions from reporters after his comments, Kelly said he would only call on reporters who personally knew Gold Star families."Guess I could ask questions. My uncle is buried in Manila thanks to a defective bomb bay and bomb that got stuck and killed him in New Guinea(sp)........... Unfortunately I know little else. I know they received a telegram and I have read it. Probably someone knocked on the door, but I don't know for sure, my grandmother did not talk about any of it. |
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 19, 2017 21:56:09 GMT
"While taking questions from reporters after his comments, Kelly said he would only call on reporters who personally knew Gold Star families."That's just so bizarre. I haven't seen the whole thing yet, but he also said something about women not being held sacred anymore? What's that about? (As I read on Twitter, "He seems to have forgotten that he works for Donald Trump.") I don't want to be held sacred, I want to be treated like an equal human being. I heard him say that, too, and was  . ETA video of his statementwww.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/10/19/gen-john-kelly-stunned-gold-star-call-sot-whpb.cnn SaveSave
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 19, 2017 21:57:58 GMT
That's just so bizarre. I haven't seen the whole thing yet, but he also said something about women not being held sacred anymore? What's that about? (As I read on Twitter, "He seems to have forgotten that he works for Donald Trump.") I don't want to be held sacred, I want to be treated like an equal human being. I heard him say that, too, and was . SaveSaveI took it as as a bizarre reference to Weinstein. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 19, 2017 22:11:05 GMT
He also goes on to say the Congresswoman shouldn’t have been there. Wilson had said that the Army representative was holding the phone for all in the limo to hear. |
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