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Post by Really Red on Oct 31, 2017 3:22:28 GMT
You all have to be my pretend spouse. I feel so torn about this opportunity...
I had a terrible boss. So terrible, I found a job 1 hour away and was ready to switch. My director told me she'd get me a new manager. I didn't think that was possible (many prior discussions), but she made it happen. So for the last year, I have been SO SO happy at work. I love my manager. She is extraordinary. I like my team and my new director is incredible. My job is the same as before, I just fall under this new, fabulous group. I work 4 days/week and I have the freedom to do what I want. I have done a lot for the group of people for whom I work (not my team) and built a good reputation. When I need to leave in the middle of the day, I leave. I also work whenever they need me as well. No one questions me at all because I get the job done.
A big opportunity came up in the same company, but different location (equal distance from my home). The director wants me and I like him. I worked for him briefly a long time ago. He's military and a lot stricter than my current situation. I don't mind that. I like order. This job is my dream job. The one I want because I can make a lot of changes in the company. The cons are that I have to work 5 days a week. That's a BIG con. I have to manage people, which I don't love, but it's a small con because of what I can do. But I have to re-establish my reputation. That's time-consuming. I feel a little worn out with even the thought of that. I'll have to work long, hard hours to get that done, just when I was reaping the benefits of NOT doing that. I'll be leaving a manager I adore for someone who I like and admire, but see that he's quite a bit stricter. No more running out to see my son's games at 4pm. He's a senior so it's his last year of this.
I think it comes down to money. How much money is it worth for me to move to this job? I'll have 3 kids in college next year, so it's worth something to me. It's not worth it for less than $10K; I know that for sure. But is that enough for working one extra day/week and not having it "easy" at work? (I work a lot of hours, but they are whatever hours I choose) How much would you do it for? Or would you at all? I would get a larger bonus (I get 7% now, and I think it'd be 10%, so not a ton, but still!). I hate that this is the job I have wanted for years and they are finally creating it!!!
Update 11/1: I am listening to you all as well and it doesn't seem worth it to take the new position, however I am going to talk with the director who is offering the position later this week and see what he has to say. I talked with my manager yesterday. She is just seriously all that. She encouraged me to to talk with the other guy and she said that what I like in the dream job should be on my goals for next year and we should actively pursue them. She wants to see how we could work with the director and make it all work together. I love her and I cannot imagine having a better manager.
FWIW, I am about 15 years away from retirement, I expect. Thinking about what many of you wrote, $10K wouldn't do it for me, but $20K would. Not sure I could get that in what appears to be a lateral move money-wise (just found this out - thought it was a step up). I have so many ideas about how to change things and I'd love to be able to pursue them, but it may be best to do that within my own position. I am excited to talk with the other director and so happy my manager is so encouraging. Now just to make it all happen!
Thank you for all your advice. You all always have some incredible thoughts and helpful solutions. Totally better than a spouse!!!
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Post by hop2 on Oct 31, 2017 3:40:32 GMT
Take your current salary and divide it by your 4 Days of hours then take your hourly rate & do not switch for any less than that or it’s actually a demotion.!
I was offered another job at my company. But it was an hour more per day and when I did the math it was 25 cents less an hour pay. ( plus a longer commute ) I turned it down because it wasn’t a raise it was less money.
Value your time, if your going to be giving more of it make sure your properly compensated.
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Post by mom on Oct 31, 2017 3:40:32 GMT
Life is short. Stay where you are happy.
Edited: I know you aren't worrying about having to leave early for DS's games, but next year with 3 in college (I assume, not living at home), Im betting you could use that day off to go see your kids without having to use personal/vacation days. That would be a big deal for me.
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Post by ~summer~ on Oct 31, 2017 3:42:02 GMT
People don’t quit jobs they quit bosses.
I would not leave a job I loved with a boss I loved...
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 31, 2017 3:48:54 GMT
I agree with doing the math.
Also, with a junior this year, I can say that I absolutely want to go to as many of his games as possible. There is only so many more games I get to see, so being able to see them would be very important to me.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 31, 2017 4:00:20 GMT
People don’t quit jobs they quit bosses. I would not leave a job I loved with a boss I loved... My boss always says this. I'd keep my current job. I, too, do not work on Fridays and it makes life 100% better. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 31, 2017 4:36:20 GMT
I voted for staying where you are. Easier work, boss and job you love, people respect you, working four days a week? No way I’d leave that.
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Post by pattyraindrops on Oct 31, 2017 4:42:44 GMT
Also look at financial aid. Will your kids lose work study, need based scholarships etc if you are paid 10-20,000 more?
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Post by paget on Oct 31, 2017 4:49:45 GMT
I've had bad bosses. I would stay where I am happy with my boss, flexibility, and overall situation.
We were recently thinking of moving but didn't as my job is too perfect right now. Even dh agreeed I couldn't leave it. Enjoying going to work and not being stressed about stuff and having flexibility is just the best feeling and IMO is priceless.
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Post by kristi on Oct 31, 2017 4:51:17 GMT
When you find something that makes you happy, I don't think you can put a dollar value on it.
My personal work sanity (where you spend 40 hours per week) is more important than money.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 5:58:34 GMT
Sounds like this opportunity is something you've been wanting. You need to ask yourself if the timing is right and whether the salary increase is enough to compensate you for the added hours you'll be working. While your current manager is fantastic, there's no guarantee that she won't leave at some point and if she were to leave, would you kick yourself for not having taken this new position? Also, in five years, do you see yourself being happier in a comfortable and flexible support position or working harder in a challenging executive capacity?
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Oct 31, 2017 6:43:14 GMT
Working 4days and with flexibility sounds ideal, but I would have a hard time turning down my dream job. Career advancement and pay, as well as fulfillment and expanding your knowledge base are important, too. Don’t stay at a job you’ve outgrown just because you like your boss. Not saying that’s the case here since I don’t know enough of your situation to know that.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Oct 31, 2017 6:53:34 GMT
If you are happy where you are then it isn't worth the upheaval, especially if the money is more or less the same.
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Post by katlaw on Oct 31, 2017 9:33:10 GMT
I said yes regardless. Not because of the money. But because for me I would want the challenge and opportunity to do more. Your job sounds great but you like the new boss, you are saying this is your dream job so it sounds like it will be pretty great too.
Unless I was looking at retirement I would take the opportunity.
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Post by purplebee on Oct 31, 2017 10:45:20 GMT
Stay where you are. Unless the money is life-changingly more, and you have a financial need for the increase that must be met, keep the sure thing. Don't fix it if it's not broken. Good luck in whatever decision you make, but I can't imagine you being any happier (from your description of your current situation) elsewhere.
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Post by hannahruth on Oct 31, 2017 10:50:57 GMT
my answer would depend on your age - how much longer will you be working?
If you are only working for a few more years then I would not move. Working four days per week is ideal to me. Having that day for yourself is a god send in the crazy world we live in.
If it is not important for the extra money that is another reason not to do it. As a previous poster stated it could affect the financial future of your college students.
It it may be your dream job but what are trying to prove and to whom?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 31, 2017 11:31:26 GMT
From a person who right now LOVES her job, excels at it, hates the thought of leaving--and is considering leaving--because of a boss, I'd say stay where you are!
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Post by Really Red on Oct 31, 2017 11:39:30 GMT
From a person who right now LOVES her job, excels at it, hates the thought of leaving--and is considering leaving--because of a boss, I'd say stay where you are! You guys are like the Good Red and the Bad Red on my shoulders! You're saying just what I am saying. All your points are excellent! I was truly miserable with a bad boss. Stressed all the time and I didn't really completely realize it. I knew I wasn't happy, but just didn't realize how much until I was ready to drive a 2-hr round trip just to leave her. Just AARGH. The money would mean a lot. It probably wouldn't make much of a difference in financial aid, but it might make some - perhaps too much to consider it. I do love my Mondays off. They make my life sane. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 12:06:15 GMT
Like a previous poster said, never leave a job where you love your boss. I did that once and it was the biggest mistake of my career. The boss I have now - there is no way I would ever leave him. I've turned down multiple opportunities because he knows my work ethic, knows I will get the job done, and doesn't blink if I need to leave early for the day.
There is nothing than can replace that kind of trust and flexibility - nothing. It would have to a million dollar raise and then some before I let that kind of working environment go.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Oct 31, 2017 12:10:39 GMT
From a person who right now LOVES her job, excels at it, hates the thought of leaving--and is considering leaving--because of a boss, I'd say stay where you are! You guys are like the Good Red and the Bad Red on my shoulders! You're saying just what I am saying. All your points are excellent! I was truly miserable with a bad boss. Stressed all the time and I didn't really completely realize it. I knew I wasn't happy, but just didn't realize how much until I was ready to drive a 2-hr round trip just to leave her. Just AARGH. The money would mean a lot. It probably wouldn't make much of a difference in financial aid, but it might make some - perhaps too much to consider it. I do love my Mondays off. They make my life sane. Well if money would mean a lot, get into a deeper conversation about it. Seems like a serious consideration so i'd have a meeting with the new boss and see what their expectations are and what they are offering. Once all he cards are on the table, maybe it will be easier to decide what you want to do. |
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Post by pondrunner on Oct 31, 2017 12:25:39 GMT
There are lots of reasons to leave a job you love with a boss you love. Career advancement, refocusing, new opportunity, sometimes you have to move to move forward. You have to weigh the pros and cons. I have moved on from great bosses to altogether new things and
I would negotiate flexibility in the new job if possible, and if not I would stay put for a year and then move up the next time it was available. The catch is if you think it may not come around again and then you have to decide what's right for you.
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Post by missbennet on Oct 31, 2017 12:39:33 GMT
I also think your age is relevant here, and your long term career plans. If you stay where you are now, are you at the point in your career where you are content to coast until retirement? With a senior in HS, I'm guessing not.
A good boss is great and all, and a bad one makes your life miserable - true. But you are managing your career, not your relationship with one person who may promote out or leave themselves anyway. So I think you have to do what makes sense for your career and think a bit about your future.
To manage people is worth more than $10K a year, IMO - how many people? 2? 5? 10? You hours will increase by one day per week, so that's a 25% increase in your time spent at work there, but the increased workload of supervising - sounds like about 15-25% increase in pay makes more sense given that the job itself would get quite a bit bigger. If you could get that amount of money, does that change how you feel about it? And how about additional vacation days as part of your package to account for the loss of time to do personal things? It's not uncommon as you move up to ask for more PTO and get it.
Is this proposed job a "dream job" because that's where you want to stay for the long term future, or because it is an interesting stepping stone? That might also factor in. How rare are these types of opportunities in your field and at this company?
Even though I would be very tempted to do the same thing myself, I think it's not a good idea to make a decision like this based on your current supervisor - maybe take that totally out of the equation while you list out the pros and cons for yourself.
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Post by mommaho on Oct 31, 2017 12:57:09 GMT
The job you think might be 'greener on the other side' may only be an illusion. If the military boss is leaving in a year, where will that leave you. As my grandmother used to always tell me, "The devil you don't know could be worse the devil you do know!"
16 years ago I made a move from working in the school district where my girls attended in a job that I loved, but because I was short on seniority by 6 months my job was going to become part time and I carried the insurance as my DH had his own business. I took a job that I love now, have a great boss and co-workers (well except for that one that crunches everything loudly just outside my door lol). The change was the right one for me but I did it because it was right for me and my family.
That doesn't mean I wasn't scared or worried that I could fail . . . take a deep breath and make your pros and cons list.
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Post by gillyp on Oct 31, 2017 13:36:02 GMT
Any chance of you negotiating for the job to come to you, rather than you go to the job? It’s the same company, the director is leaving in a year, has anyone provided details of what they anticipate happening then? Will he just be replaced or is there likely to be more of an upheaval? Staff are often managed from a distance with a boss turning up once a month/fortnight etc. Any chance of that for the people you would be managing? Technology is such that a lot of people work from a distance now. Would that be possible?
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Oct 31, 2017 13:39:03 GMT
I do love my Mondays off. They make my life sane. This says a lot. So not having Mondays off would make you insane, right?  I say stay where you are. There will most likely be some other wonderful dream job in the future when the timing is perfect. |
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Post by leannec on Oct 31, 2017 14:33:03 GMT
I voted for staying where you are. Easier work, boss and job you love, people respect you, working four days a week? No way I’d leave that.  But I am lazy and I don't like change  |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 31, 2017 14:40:12 GMT
I voted for staying where you are. Easier work, boss and job you love, people respect you, working four days a week? No way I’d leave that.  But I am lazy and I don't like change  Me too!  |
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Post by moodyblue on Oct 31, 2017 14:53:03 GMT
It's awesome that you have a boss you love - but that boss may get promoted out of that position at any time, or leave for a great opportunity for her (her dream job). I don't think I'd base the whole decision on that factor because that can change.
Other people have made good points to consider:
How close to retirement are you?
How much more money will you make?
Is the money enough to be a real raise?
Can you negotiate benefits that are important to you?
Will this new job lead to other things you want?
If your last child at home is a senior, and will be gone soon, would you be OK with working five days a week and less flexibility to attend events?
Are the skills you will learn/use in the new job important to you personally and professionally?
How often does an opportunity like this come along - will it be your last chance?
If you DON'T take the job will you regret not taking the opportunity?
You can play it safe and stay where you are comfortable and have flexibility - but that could all change if the current boss leaves.
You can take a leap to your dream job and you might hit the jackpot and love the chance to learn and use new skills.
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 31, 2017 16:10:23 GMT
You all have to be my pretend spouse. I feel so torn about this opportunity... I had a terrible boss. So terrible, I found a job 1 hour away and was ready to switch. My director told me she'd get me a new manager. I didn't think that was possible (many prior discussions), but she made it happen. So for the last year, I have been SO SO happy at work. I love my manager. She is extraordinary. I like my team and my new director is incredible. My job is the same as before, I just fall under this new, fabulous group. I work 4 days/week and I have the freedom to do what I want. I have done a lot for the group of people for whom I work (not my team) and built a good reputation. When I need to leave in the middle of the day, I leave. I also work whenever they need me as well. No one questions me at all because I get the job done. A big opportunity came up in the same company, but different location (equal distance from my home). The director wants me and I like him. I worked for him briefly a long time ago. He's military and a lot stricter than my current situation. I don't mind that. I like order. This job is my dream job. The one I want because I can make a lot of changes in the company. The cons are that I have to work 5 days a week. That's a BIG con. I have to manage people, which I don't love, but it's a small con because of what I can do. But I have to re-establish my reputation. That's time-consuming. I feel a little worn out with even the thought of that. I'll have to work long, hard hours to get that done, just when I was reaping the benefits of NOT doing that. I'll be leaving a manager I adore for someone who I like and admire, but see that he's quite a bit stricter. No more running out to see my son's games at 4pm. He's a senior so it's his last year of this. I think it comes down to money. How much money is it worth for me to move to this job? I'll have 3 kids in college next year, so it's worth something to me. It's not worth it for less than $10K; I know that for sure. But is that enough for working one extra day/week and not having it "easy" at work? (I work a lot of hours, but they are whatever hours I choose) How much would you do it for? Or would you at all? I would get a larger bonus (I get 7% now, and I think it'd be 10%, so not a ton, but still!). I hate that this is the job I have wanted for years and they are finally creating it!!!Based on everything I have bolded, I think you should go for the new job. The timing might not be perfect, but IMHO, you need to make a decision whether you want a job or a career. With your youngest heading off to college next year, I'd be focussing on my career. Having a great boss right now wouldn't be a reason for me to stay. There is no guarantee she will be there in a year. I can understand going back to 5 days a week would be hard, but with an empty nest next year your routine and need for flexibility is going to change. More than anything, because this is an internal opportunity, IME, it sends up a red flag if an employee is identified as a good fit for a promotion turns it down for reasons that have nothing to do with the job content. They do get dropped for consideration for other career track opportunities. |
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Post by debmast on Oct 31, 2017 16:27:53 GMT
This right here says it all for me. You also mentioned you'd been waiting for it and it's finally being created. What are the chances it will come along again? If it *truly* is your "dream job" I say you grab it. |
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