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Post by gillyp on Oct 31, 2017 13:49:57 GMT
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Post by princesscubby on Oct 31, 2017 14:36:04 GMT
I struggle with this concept a lot. I'm the breadwinner in our household (by 3x) - my salary pays for all of our healthcare (insurance and HSA), 401(k) savings, and 99% of the household bills. I also complete a majority of the household chores. DH owns his own business and while he doesn't have consistent cash flow he can feasibly take a paycheck every week, he just doesn't. I constantly have to ask him for money and remind him to pay the one monthly bill for which he's responsible. He basically gets to pick and choose what he spends "his" money on, while all of my money goes to the house/kids. He sees nothing wrong with this and it drives me crazy. I'm convinced he doesn't do more chores because he has no skin in the game, as it were. But I can't entrust bill paying to him, because he can't even pay ONE bill on time each month. And he thinks I'm nagging when I ask him to help. Any suggestions on getting through to him? We've been married 19 years and he's been like this pretty much from day one. I understand I've made my bed...just hoping someone has a different perspective
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Post by mikklynn on Oct 31, 2017 15:14:09 GMT
Oh, she got it right. My DH is disabled and retired. He cooks dinner, but absolutely nothing else, unless I ask. Why do I have to ask??? Obviously a rhetorical question.
I work full time and have a 45 minute commute each way.
ETA - He is physically able to do things like wipe a countertop, dust, etc. He is not able to do anything heavy duty. That leaves a LOT he could do.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 31, 2017 15:17:59 GMT
I struggle with this concept a lot. I'm the breadwinner in our household (by 3x) - my salary pays for all of our healthcare (insurance and HSA), 401(k) savings, and 99% of the household bills. I also complete a majority of the household chores. DH owns his own business and while he doesn't have consistent cash flow he can feasibly take a paycheck every week, he just doesn't. I constantly have to ask him for money and remind him to pay the one monthly bill for which he's responsible. He basically gets to pick and choose what he spends "his" money on, while all of my money goes to the house/kids. He sees nothing wrong with this and it drives me crazy. I'm convinced he doesn't do more chores because he has no skin in the game, as it were. But I can't entrust bill paying to him, because he can't even pay ONE bill on time each month. And he thinks I'm nagging when I ask him to help. Any suggestions on getting through to him? We've been married 19 years and he's been like this pretty much from day one. I understand I've made my bed...just hoping someone has a different perspective Ack, that sounds awful. Before we got married, we sat down and made a list. He originally thought that if he took care of the yard and cars (outside chores) and I took care of the inside chores, that would be fair. When you actually sit down and write out a list of chores and the time it takes each week or month or year complete, it is easy to see that outdoor chores do not equal indoor chores. Add in kids and holidays and it becomes a joke. In your case, I would tell him he needs to step up (and write the chores he will do out) or "his" money each month will need to go to hiring someone who can help you with everything that you do. I also get that just saying something doesn't magically make it happen though. Good luck.
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Post by luckyexwife on Oct 31, 2017 15:25:17 GMT
I struggle with this concept a lot. I'm the breadwinner in our household (by 3x) - my salary pays for all of our healthcare (insurance and HSA), 401(k) savings, and 99% of the household bills. I also complete a majority of the household chores. DH owns his own business and while he doesn't have consistent cash flow he can feasibly take a paycheck every week, he just doesn't. I constantly have to ask him for money and remind him to pay the one monthly bill for which he's responsible. He basically gets to pick and choose what he spends "his" money on, while all of my money goes to the house/kids. He sees nothing wrong with this and it drives me crazy. I'm convinced he doesn't do more chores because he has no skin in the game, as it were. But I can't entrust bill paying to him, because he can't even pay ONE bill on time each month. And he thinks I'm nagging when I ask him to help. Any suggestions on getting through to him? We've been married 19 years and he's been like this pretty much from day one. I understand I've made my bed...just hoping someone has a different perspective Make a spreadsheet and put in all the bills and the amounts you pay each month. I do this every year, with the months running across the top and the bills running down the first column. Put in the amount you pay each month, and have it automatically added up at the end. Figure out the total that you are paying, and the total that he is paying. Figure out a number that you are comfortable with, and let him know that he needs to contribute XX amount to the family budget, where he gives the money to you, and you pay the bills. Maybe seeing it in black-and-white will show him how much you are actually paying. I know in my house, I pay the bills, and I use the spreadsheet to show my husband how much we are paying for things and where the money goes. If I don't show him in black and white, he always underestimates the amount that we have to pay for general monthly bills that everyone has like electric, water, gas, etc. Good luck!
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Post by blue tulip on Oct 31, 2017 16:23:10 GMT
it's so true. especially, for me, this part: "I know compared to many women, including female family members and friends, I have it so easy. My husband does a lot. He does dishes every night habitually. He often makes dinner. He will handle bedtime for the kids when I am working. If I ask him to take on extra chores, he will, without complaint. It feels greedy, at times, to want more from him."
Dh is great. I love him to death. He does way more than friends' husbands, or my dad did- we are equal partners in a lot of things.. once I ask him to do it. the example the author gave of the box in the closet, sitting there for 2 days and her noticing it 20 times while he just walked around it, I have HAD conversations just like that with DH! you got it out, you see it there, you know it has to be put away.. why is it MY job to either do it or ask you too? Really trying not to raise my 2 sons this way as well: if you see something that needs to be done, do it. don't wait to be told to. we're all in this together.
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 31, 2017 17:14:28 GMT
I've learned to let things go. I probably have three loads of laundry to do and dishes to unload and load today. I don't have dinner planned. I do not care. It will bother my husband before it will bother me. He's not as good at taking care of our youngest kid. I save my energy for him.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 31, 2017 17:58:09 GMT
it's so true. especially, for me, this part: "I know compared to many women, including female family members and friends, I have it so easy. My husband does a lot. He does dishes every night habitually. He often makes dinner. He will handle bedtime for the kids when I am working. If I ask him to take on extra chores, he will, without complaint. It feels greedy, at times, to want more from him." Dh is great. I love him to death. He does way more than friends' husbands, or my dad did- we are equal partners in a lot of things.. once I ask him to do it. the example the author gave of the box in the closet, sitting there for 2 days and her noticing it 20 times while he just walked around it, I have HAD conversations just like that with DH! you got it out, you see it there, you know it has to be put away.. why is it MY job to either do it or ask you too? Really trying not to raise my 2 sons this way as well: if you see something that needs to be done, do it. don't wait to be told to. we're all in this together. Same here. The thing is that my DH honestly does not "see" the box in the closet. It just doesn't hit his register. Then I ask, he says ok, and it's done. Is it ridiculous? Absolutely. But 5 seconds vs a big fight--I pick the 5 seconds. At the same time, I try to teach the kids (and DH as the same time) about something as picking up your stuff. I've taught the kids to look behind you as you leave the room. Did you leave your shoes laying beside the chair? Are your dirty dishes sitting on the table? I try to teach not just to pick up, but how to actually SEE the stuff that needs to be picked up. DS has a new (college) roommate as of last week. And DS is complaining about how messy the kid is. I had to laugh, because DS put on his dorm application that he was messy. I warned him! It can be so much worse. I absolutely agree with this article. Women have so many little details to deal with throughout the day. You kid gets invited to a birthday party? You play over in your mind: -the family's schedule for that day -what family activities the party would conflict with -how your kid is getting to the party -do you know the parents of the party kid -do you stay for the party -what gift to buy -how much to spend -does your kid need a coat for the party? socks? what kind of shoes? If DH saw the invitation--"go show this to your mom." I remember when we first had DS. DH had repacked the diaper bag for the next day. Sure enough, no diapers, no wipes, no snacks. I'm not sure just what he did pack, but then he cheerfully just told me that I was in charge of the diaper bag in the future. No, babe. Here's a list and I learned to always carry extra diapers in the car after that.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 31, 2017 18:41:05 GMT
My DH just complimented me on this last week. While we were in the middle of an argument about how he screwed up the one thing he had to do! Ugh. He recognizes it. He sees the 5000 things I handle on a daily basis and that he isn't responsible for any of them. If I ask him he will do anything for me. If I ask... And it does sometimes make me nuts because why should I have to ask? Why is looked at like he's helping me out? I don't know how to change this.
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Post by gillyp on Oct 31, 2017 20:09:30 GMT
To add to the highly irritating "not seeing" comes the phrase "I've done so-and-so FOR YOU". Well I'm sorry, you are not doing it FOR me, you are doing it because you happen to share the same house as me and, as such, you SHOULD be sharing the same chores for US to live comfortably and not in squalor.
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