mlana
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Post by mlana on Nov 3, 2017 0:38:56 GMT
After dancing wildly with joy Monday night after DD got her first post college job, I spent tues afternoon zoned out on Xanax, trying desperately to prevent full blown panic attacks. We saw DH’s nephrologist Tues morning and he wants DH to see a vascular surgeon for an ultrasound and consultation on getting his artery ready for a fibula. We knew it was coming, but not even the nephrologist expected it this soon. He said DH’s CKD is pretty aggressive.
So, what exactly is involved with dialysis? I understand the mechanics of the process, but not the real life factors. How long and how often do you have it? Which type do you do? Where do you do it - a clinic or at home? How do you feel afterwards? Were you able to continue working after you started?
On another front - did you become disabled after starting dialysis? Do you get disability or Medicare? How do you afford the costs involved? If you do it at home, did you have to make major changes in your home to fit the machine in? I’ve seen where people have talked about having to install different power outlets or having to install water lines?
Could you travel once you started dialysis? Did you feel like traveling? Do you take a machine with you or do you visit clinics in the area you are traveling to?
Any information you care to share I will greatly appreciate. If you don’t want to share on the loop, please feel free to P’mail me.
Thanks! Marcy
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 3, 2017 1:05:51 GMT
Could you travel once you started dialysis? Did you feel like traveling? Do you take a machine with you or do you visit clinics in the area you are traveling to? This I can address. Normally he will go to a dialysis center 3 times a week(can be 3-5 hours each time depending what is necessary, it is a fixed time frame), they will assist you with a dialysis center at the locale where you will be staying to continue treatments. You don't just go, it must be arranged because they have their regular patients.
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Post by edie3 on Nov 3, 2017 1:50:47 GMT
My father did the home (peritoneal) dialysis. It is a big undertaking, learning what you need to do to hook up to machine. My parents had a generator if case of power outage, Don't let anyone tell you that you can get on a list at the power company to get power turned back on sooner. Anyway, he did well on it, and you are able to be out and about, just have to be home in time to hook up. You can take the machine with you. Also, the machine is not real big, and they did not need special water lines. I have heard the hemodialysis is very draining and makes you tired.
I hope things work out well for your DH.
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Post by ToniW on Nov 3, 2017 2:01:32 GMT
There are dialysis centers that we have sent patients to where they talk to the social workers on deciding what kind of dialysis would fit their needs, provided there is a choice. Call him and ask him to refer you to the center (depends on where he has privileges) for a tour and to talk to the social worker. They can answer any questions you may have.
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Post by mlana on Nov 3, 2017 4:19:54 GMT
Could you travel once you started dialysis? Did you feel like traveling? Do you take a machine with you or do you visit clinics in the area you are traveling to? This I can address. Normally he will go to a dialysis center 3 times a week(can be 3-5 hours each time depending what is necessary, it is a fixed time frame), they will assist you with a dialysis center at the locale where you will be staying to continue treatments. You don't just go, it must be arranged because they have their regular patients. I wasn’t sure about how the arrangements were made when you travel. I thought we’d have to have an appointment, but I wasn’t sure how that worked. Do the DCs need a lot of notice? I’m hoping that once he gets on dialysis he’ll feel better. He’s looking for remote work to both fill out his present schedule and give him fall back when he starts dialysis. Our dream would be to put him and my mom in an event and have the 3 of us toodle around the country. Marcy
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Post by mlana on Nov 3, 2017 4:22:45 GMT
My father did the home (peritoneal) dialysis. It is a big undertaking, learning what you need to do to hook up to machine. My parents had a generator if case of power outage, Don't let anyone tell you that you can get on a list at the power company to get power turned back on sooner. Anyway, he did well on it, and you are able to be out and about, just have to be home in time to hook up. You can take the machine with you. Also, the machine is not real big, and they did not need special water lines. I have heard the hemodialysis is very draining and makes you tired. I hope things work out well for your DH. I haven’t heard a lot about the peritoneal dialysis. Most of what I’ve read has been about the hemodialysis. I’m glad you posted about this. I had not given any thought to a generator. So much to consider. Marcy
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Post by mlana on Nov 3, 2017 4:28:10 GMT
There are dialysis centers that we have sent patients to where they talk to the social workers on deciding what kind of dialysis would fit their needs, provided there is a choice. Call him and ask him to refer you to the center (depends on where he has privileges) for a tour and to talk to the social worker. They can answer any questions you may have.
We have KP insurance and they are sending us to a class this month to get the information regarding the various options available. KP doesn’t have their own dedicated DCs here; they contract with someone, but I don’t know who yet. According to the information listed for the class, there will be someone there to discuss not only the types of dialysis, but also the costs of dialysis in both financial and physical terms. Marcy
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Post by mlana on Nov 3, 2017 4:32:24 GMT
My DH is terribly phobic about needles, so the very idea of dialysis has always been enough to give him nightmares. I asked him not to go on YouTube and watch videos about it before we go to this class. The few videos I’ve watched made me cry; knowing how very afraid he is and what he’ll have to go thru is almost more than I can handle.
Add in the fact that our budget is already tight and this is just one more load on his shoulders.
For those who had someone on dialysis, how did you keep their spirits up?
Marcy
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Post by crittsmom on Nov 3, 2017 4:33:23 GMT
I think but not absolutely sure that once you start dialysis you qualify for medi-care. The social worker at the dialysis center will help you navigate the paper flow, and they probably even have a dietitian on staff to help you figure out what dh can and can't eat. You might want to start making a list of questions for the dialysis center to answer.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Nov 3, 2017 4:47:41 GMT
I would find out which clinics your nephrologist works out of and schedule a tour and a visit with the social worker as earlier suggested. If your nephrologist is talking fistula insertion, then peritoneal dialysis is more than likely not an option for your husband but definitely ask. I strongly recommend getting that fistula put in asap as you really do not want to deal with the catheter for dialysis. More than likely you can expect to have three treatments a week....Mon/Wed/Fri or some clinics also offer a Tues/Thurs/ Sat option. Some patients can have only two visits a week but that will be up to your nephrologist. Typical treatments run between 2-5 hours or they did in our clinics. Again this will also depend on how well he maintains his diet, his fluid intake and how he handles treatment and what his nephrologist decides. Following the renal diet and the fluid restrictions are key in how his treatments go. I swear after the weekends you could hear people slosh when they walked. Their thought was dialysis will fix this. It doesn't. not if you continually ignore the parameters given.
You can expect dialysis days to be exhausting, but this also depends on how compliant the patient is when they aren't at dialysis. Again this refers to the diet and fluid restrictions as well as medications. Depending on how the clinic runs they may or may not always be on time. usually the first round of patients are so if he gets in on that shift it will be okay, however, things change quickly in a dialysis clinic. Lots of things can screw up the schedule. Trust me they work hard to keep the clinics running on time but I can tell you stories on how that goes some days. You have to be flexible for days like that. You will be set up with the open spot in the clinic unless they can get already scheduled patients to give up their time slot. When traveling, as much notice as you can give would be best. They have to figure out how to get a patient in with their already full schedules. Some Times you may be "on call" in that they will call you when a chair opens up. Again it all depends on the clinic, their patient load and the hours they are open. That said we were almost always able to accommodate visiting dialysis patients.
The clinic I worked in had an at home option where they trained the family (not the patient) to be able to connect the machines, set them up right, make sure the chemical balance was correct etc. Someone has to be home to monitor the patient while they are on dialysis as well. There was a specific protocol and you had to qualify for the at home program. I would find out if your husband qualifies. This will also require a generator etc.
as for the treatments themselves, we allowed family members to sit with patients after they had been put on the machines. Family had to wear the same things the staff did, gloves, gown etc. 2-4 hours can feel like an eternity so make sure there is plenty to do. Bring blankets, many patients would get cold. The clinic may or may not have a TV available to watch, or they can bring in books, laptops etc. Sometimes patients just slept during treatment. We had one patient who completed her Masters Degree while on Dialysis waiting for a transplant. When you sit for 2-5 hours, you can get a lot of homework done
one of the many issues I see with dialysis is transportation. Many times the spouse or family member had work so at some point the patient had to rely on transportation elsewhere. Some did drive, but many were to tired afterwards. It would depend on how far away the clinic is from where you live.
It may sound negative but these are the realities. Dialysis is not easy. The best thing you can do is follow what the nephrologist and the staff tell you to do. And just like anything else, it eventually becomes a routine. It just feels very overwhelming and scary at first. Ask questions of everyone. Get to know the staff, you will be spending a lot of time there.
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Post by beebee on Nov 3, 2017 11:26:29 GMT
My DH is terribly phobic about needles, so the very idea of dialysis has always been enough to give him nightmares. I asked him not to go on YouTube and watch videos about it before we go to this class. The few videos I’ve watched made me cry; knowing how very afraid he is and what he’ll have to go thru is almost more than I can handle. Add in the fact that our budget is already tight and this is just one more load on his shoulders. For those who had someone on dialysis, how did you keep their spirits up? Marcy I have not had dialysis, but I do have needle-phobia. I would not hesitate to ask the doctors for valium or something else to relax him. Also, they can prescribe Lidocaine which truly works to allow the needle to be inserted without feeling it. This has helped me to tackle my phobia. I can actually get through procedures now without passing out. For many years, I passed out cold at the doctor's office if they even started talking about shots or blood tests. Strangely enough, I have Type I diabetes and have to take shots and blood tests every day at home, but there is something about the doctor's office that brings the anxiety to a whole new level.
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Post by ToniW on Nov 3, 2017 13:49:24 GMT
Ditto ScrappinSpidey2. (How do I tag?). You work in a clinic? I work for a nephrologist. We don't see the patients anymore after they start dialysis as our doctor sees them at the center. We've had patients delayed until they end up at the ER and then have no choice. Anyway as mentioned, once he starts, he will be able to qualify for Medicare. Some patients belong to the HMOs (check insurance) and if they can opt for staying on Medicare with a secondary (Medi-cal or equivalent), no worries about payments or getting authorization from insurance plans (that can be a bear, per the billing office).
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Post by mcscrapper on Nov 3, 2017 14:04:37 GMT
I am not a dialysis specialist by any means. I do work in an ER and we see several (25 It think) regular dialysis patients that come thru for dialysis because they do not have a regular clinic.
Patients have hemodialysis (HD) three times per week. We have a MWF group and a TThS group. I also have a friend that was diagnosed with ESRD and ended up doing home, or peritoneal, dialysis. It was a HUGE deal for them to be able to do this at home but it meant that he could keep his full-time 8-5 job. I know that they had to have a separate room for him to do his dialysis and also had to arrange for biohazard waste pick up three times per week. They had to have a case manager come out to their house to inspect everything and make sure they were compliant with the set up and system. He does the dialysis overnight and he says he usually sleeps just fine after he got used to it all. He is able to travel but they have to arrange for him to dialyze somewhere else.
Our non-compliant patients are a huge concern for us because they often have a host of other problems related to NOT coming to their regular HD. This is also why most of them have been fired from a regular HD facility.
Regular HD takes anywhere from 3 to 5 hours. Most patients take a long nap, read books, eat, stream TV, etc while on the machine. While we didn't do the HD down in the ER, we did get to know our patients because they had been coming through the ED for years and years. We had one patient that would come after high school and do homework while in HD.
I'm sure that if your dh had to go to a dialysis facility he may have to go on disability but he may qualify for home peritoneal dialysis which would probably be more expensive initially but would probably allow him to maintain a job. There are always risks involved but I feel that those side effects and risks outweigh the risks of not getting HD. When patients are needing HD, they are typically "run down" are short of breath d/t fluid build up, they have high BP and complain of generalized weakness. They often have crazy electrolyte imbalances but those are pretty easily fixed on the machine.
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Post by moodyblue on Nov 3, 2017 14:39:34 GMT
My brother has been on dialysis for several years now, due to an autoimmune disorder that destroyed most of his kidney function.
He started out with peritoneal dialysis, doing it overnight at home. It can be a good option for the right people, but it turned out that his tissues reacted by kind of scarring and toughening up and the dialysis was becoming less and less effective. After less than a year, he had to start the process to switch to hemodialysis.
There is a lot involved with doing it at home - you need to adhere to strict sterile protocols (e.g., pets in the house and especially in the room where it is done can be an issue), you will have lots of boxes of supplies delivered that need to be stored (you use fresh tubing and bags of solution each time) and there is lots of waste to get rid of, you need to be capable of handling the machine and understanding what to do (Scott had a nurse he could call if there were problems) and it's best if you have another person in the house who can learn it all too. My brother did his overnight, but because of the length of time it takes, he had to be careful about getting started in time. He was still working full time when he was on this, and had to be at work early in the morning. It takes time to set up and follow the protocols and then to disconnect.
For the hemodialysis, if that's the choice, you need to get the fistula preparation done well in advance because there is a healing period before it can be used. He goes three times a week, and it takes 4-5 hours for him (he's tall and big built). Early on he had some issues with low hemoglobin that caused him to be too weak to drive, and a few times my husband and I had to go get him so one of us could drive his vehicle home. The doctors seem to have that under control so it hasn't been a problem for a while, but there have been times when his blood pressure has dropped enough that he has to sit and wait for it to come back up enough for him to be safe to drive.
There is a special Medicare program for dialysis patients, so that was a huge help with medical costs. My brother has gone on disability, but was working for the first couple of years of dialysis. It gets complicated because it takes huge chunks of time, and the center may or may not be able to accommodate a work schedule or your preferred time for dialysis. There is also a level of fatigue after dialysis, and that can be affected by your other general health issues. My brother started out in a bigger center and then switched to a smaller satellite center of theirs and he goes M, W, F, starting in the middle of the day. When he was working he went late afternoon so he could work a full day, but not all centers offer that time option.
A huge factor in how well someone does on dialysis is whether they are compliant with the diet and fluid intake rules. And if you aren't, peritoneal dialysis at home may not be a good choice, because you have to be a rule follower for that. My brother does pretty well because he really does watch his intake and knows and understands how what he eats and drinks will affect his body. He knows his lab numbers, and where they should be, and he takes the meds prescribed - as they should be used. One advantage he has is that he is NOT diabetic; most of the dialysis patients are.
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Post by Country Ham on Nov 3, 2017 15:31:00 GMT
My father did the home (peritoneal) dialysis. It is a big undertaking, learning what you need to do to hook up to machine. My parents had a generator if case of power outage, Don't let anyone tell you that you can get on a list at the power company to get power turned back on sooner. Anyway, he did well on it, and you are able to be out and about, just have to be home in time to hook up. You can take the machine with you. Also, the machine is not real big, and they did not need special water lines. I have heard the hemodialysis is very draining and makes you tired. I hope things work out well for your DH. My mother did home peritoneal dialysis for years and never had a machine. Her fluid exchange was done just using gravity (iv pole). Everyone I know was still able to work and have dialysis treatments. Traveled etc. It was mainly an inconvenience. My mom had to plan if she traveled to the US to visit me to ensure adequate supplies was all. In the states the gentleman who lived at my group home that went on hemodialysis was placed on medicaire for that purpose alone. All it covered was treatments related to dialysis and he had his disability and state insurance for other things. Can't really tolerate eating large meals while having dialysis. The clinics provided some distractions like TVs. I knew a lady who knitted etc. They encouraged you to have a bag that you brought with a blanket (chills) and what not. ETA: the above poster is so correct about fluids and diet restrictions are so much more rigid with peritoneal dialysis then hemo.
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Post by mlana on Nov 5, 2017 1:43:16 GMT
Thank y’all so much for giving me the details. I feel better knowing that others have managed it without major hysterics. DH seems to have made his peace with it..or he’s put it out of his mind, expecting me to take care of the details. The latter is more likely.
I wish I knew which centers Kaiser is contracted to so I could start checking them out. LOL Given how many times I visited and inspected the birthing center before my DD was born, it’s probably best I don’t know yet. We have at least 10 dialysis centers with 5 miles of where we live. I’m desperately hoping to find work soon since our company is built around DH. My mom has offered to move up here on a more permanent basis to help if I go to work. That would be good with DH as he loves my mom. My DD will also be able to help out with transportation, especially if it’s later in the evening. There’s always Uber, too. We have a neighbor who drives for them and who will work with us if necessary.
I think my mind would be easier if I could just find a job. I know what I do now is of value to the family, but I’d feel better if I knew I had some way to bring money in independent of DH.
Thanks again, Ladies. I very much appreciate your help! MArcy
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 5, 2017 2:23:45 GMT
There may very well be para-transit from your county. Wait for all things until you are able to talk to people in your area. Initially your DH will be sent to a facility that has an available chair.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Nov 5, 2017 2:37:19 GMT
I wish I knew which centers Kaiser is contracted to so I could start checking them out. Find out which clinics the nephrologist is associated with, get their names and then call Kaiser and find out which of the clinics are available. You will want to go to a clinic that your nephrologist is associated with and has privileges in
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Post by ToniW on Nov 5, 2017 15:14:05 GMT
I wish I knew which centers Kaiser is contracted to so I could start checking them out. Find out which clinics the nephrologist is associated with, get their names and then call Kaiser and find out which of the clinics are available. You will want to go to a clinic that your nephrologist is associated with and has privileges in Yes, just call the office and ask. They would know which facilities he goes to. It does depend as mentioned earlier which facility also has an opening. If there was one you'd rather go to, you can always transfer.
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