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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 4, 2017 12:55:22 GMT
Just curious. I have it. Have for a very long time and lately have been having some trouble and wanted to see if there was someone who maybe had some new tips to deal. I just did my every five year or so visit with the neurologist and nothing has changed except me getting older with older eyes. My double vision and oscillation seems to be harder to navigate lately, and my depth perception is off more than usual. So, just a long shot, I am frustrated and wanted to check to see if anyone else knows tips I haven't tried yet. (By the way, this nystagmus thing is one of those hidden disabilities that you would NEVER know just by looking at me. I mean seriously wouldn't know unless I told you...and it is pretty rare so even if I tell you, you likely wouldn't even know what I am talking about and it is hard to explain so it doesn't sound all that bad. But it is.  )
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2017 14:05:08 GMT
No tips, but I've had a couple of students with this condition. I'm sorry you're dealing with it, too!
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Post by malibou on Nov 4, 2017 14:21:18 GMT
I had never heard of this, so I looked it up. Of course I have no tips, but I am very sorry you have this. It must be terribly irritating.
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Post by quiltz on Nov 4, 2017 14:36:06 GMT
I can only add that I am sending up many positive thoughts your way. I would really like to meet you as you are one of my favourite peas.
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Post by finaledition on Nov 4, 2017 15:09:32 GMT
I had never heard of it, but on the TLC show Outdaughtered, on of their quints has it and they have devoted several episodes including one on her surgery to it. Good luck as you search for help.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 4, 2017 15:21:58 GMT
Me! I have it. I actually spent months in PT to help with it. I’ll give some particulars later when I’m on a computer.
It sucks.
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Post by scrapmaven on Nov 4, 2017 15:33:50 GMT
I'm sorry that you have to deal w/this condition. While I don't have any advice I do have ((((HUGS))).
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Post by MaryMary on Nov 4, 2017 15:53:34 GMT
Yeah, I have (had?) central nystagmus from lesions on my cerebellum due to Lyme disease.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 4, 2017 15:56:47 GMT
Me! I have it. I actually spent months in PT to help with it. I’ll give some particulars later when I’m on a computer. It sucks. OMG. Do you know that you are the very first person I have ever talked to that has it also?? Like seriously, the only person I have ever met beyond the neuro's who know what I am talking about?? I have been told that I am not a candidate for PT, it won't won't work with mine, nor the surgeries because I already naturally compensate for my null point and the surgery would almost be unnecessary. And it does suck. I have such a hard time explaining it to people. It is hard to explain what it is like and when I do, most people just don't understand how very hard it sucks.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 4, 2017 16:00:29 GMT
Yeah, I have (had?) central nystagmus from lesions on my cerebellum due to Lyme disease. Oh my gosh, someone else?? Amazing to me!!! Did yours go away? I ask because some times acquired nystagmus goes away. Mine is one of the unusual ones because there is no discernible reason for mine. I have periodic mri's to make sure there are no lesions from late onset MS or some other thing or another, but there haven't ever been any. No stroke, no lesions, no nothing. Just this annoying jiggly shake. lol
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Post by coffeetalk on Nov 4, 2017 16:06:05 GMT
Yes, I have it as well as diplopia due to progressive MS. Patching one eye helps with the diplopia. My eyes/vision are a mess. I'm so sorry you're dealing with this too.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 4, 2017 16:16:26 GMT
Yes, I have it as well as diplopia due to progressive MS. Patching one eye helps with the diplopia. My eyes/vision are a mess. I'm so sorry you're dealing with this too. I find that I end up squinting a lot with my left eye (for the double vision) instead of a patch, but it comes with the head tilt and turn that I typically do while having to focus on a task. I also have oscillopsia with mine that adds to the confusion-two of everything and bouncy. Do you find that you have a lot of equilibrium issues?
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 4, 2017 16:23:40 GMT
And thank you all for your comments...I am dying to ask questions...or answer them for those that don't know.
There are a myriad of 'types' of nystagmus with some similarities and some differences, so that is why I am interested to know about others and what works for them.
and...frankly? It is so comforting to not feel so alone.
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Post by maryannscraps on Nov 4, 2017 16:35:07 GMT
I'm sorry you have to deal with this. I only know it from reading up on James Galway, a famous flute player whose work I adore.
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Post by coffeetalk on Nov 4, 2017 16:36:28 GMT
Yes, I have it as well as diplopia due to progressive MS. Patching one eye helps with the diplopia. My eyes/vision are a mess. I'm so sorry you're dealing with this too. I find that I end up squinting a lot with my left eye (for the double vision) instead of a patch, but it comes with the head tilt and turn that I typically do while having to focus on a task. I also have oscillopsia with mine that adds to the confusion-two of everything and bouncy. Do you find that you have a lot of equilibrium issues? Yes, I have equilibrium issues as well as vertigo occasionally. I am no longer ambulatory so the impact of all of these issues isn't as great as when I was trying to navigate on two feet. I find lowering my gaze and looking upward (looking flirty, lol) ''balances'' and aligns my vision temporarily, but is not a practical -or comfortable solution. SaveSave
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Post by stampnscrap1128 on Nov 4, 2017 16:41:35 GMT
The first time I heard of this was watching "The Mentalist." One of the characters played by Pruitt Taylor Vince has it. I cannot remember if the condition was ever mentioned as part of his character. It's been some years since the series aired.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 4, 2017 16:56:43 GMT
Me! I have it. I actually spent months in PT to help with it. I’ll give some particulars later when I’m on a computer. It sucks. OMG. Do you know that you are the very first person I have ever talked to that has it also?? Like seriously, the only person I have ever met beyond the neuro's who know what I am talking about?? I have been told that I am not a candidate for PT, it won't won't work with mine, nor the surgeries because I already naturally compensate for my null point and the surgery would almost be unnecessary. And it does suck. I have such a hard time explaining it to people. It is hard to explain what it is like and when I do, most people just don't understand how very hard it sucks. I'm sorry to hear that PT wouldn't be helpful for you. What about OT? I did that as well to help minimize the motions that would set it off. At my worst, my nystagmus was visible. I couldn't look someone in the eye and my eyes would move independently of each other. I walked down the hall bumping into walls like a drunk. I couldn't tell exactly where the floor was, so I was constantly tripping just walking on a flat surface. It got so much worse when I was tired. At it's worst, I couldn't read, watch TV, or even sit up most days. I never walked anywhere unless I had someone to hold on to or a wall to touch. Mine was caused by a mass on my right inner ear from a massive sphenoid sinus infection. Since I had vertigo and nystagmus, it's hard to know just exactly what I did for what problem. The nystagmus caused vertigo, but so did the mass pressing on my inner ear. Basically, I had to rewire my brain around the damage and the only way to do that was to make me dizzy and make my brain compensate for it. I lost most of the hearing in my right ear. That comes and goes now, with about a 30% hearing loss at a minimum. Because pressure on that ear varies day to day and hour to hour, hearing aids aren't an option for me. I saw a vestibular therapist. They are pretty hard to find. There were 2 in the DC area at the time I was being treated, but I ended up at the Wounded Warrior Center at Walter Reed Bethesda. We are still active duty military, but they don't normally treat family members. However, my head injury was pretty rare and they did a case study of it, with different doctors and therapists coming in each week to talk to me and watch my PT. I was set up in a room that was essentially like a big Wii. There were two treadmill tracks (one for each leg), a 200 degree screen, and various games and images would be put up on the screen. The treadmills could move independently, simulating rough terrain, waves in the ocean, hills, etc. I was in a harness so that I couldn't fall. I hated that thing with a fire of 1,000 suns. It was just a torture device, but it did work. I'd sleep for almost 24 hours after a therapy session. The goal was just to keep me on the edge of throwing up, but not actually make me vomit. It was all just to rewire my brain around the damage. At home, I was given exercises to do daily. I'd stare at one spot and move my head side to side, keeping my eyes on that one spot. Then I'd move my head the same way, but have to look up and down, side to side. Then I'd have to bounce on a big exercise ball doing the same things. Then I'd take a nap. As for OT things? I think sitting where I could see a wall out of the corner of my helped a lot. Also, sitting in a chair with arms helped too. It keeps me grounded. I call it knowing "my place in space". Church was the worst for me and it's where my symptoms first escalated. It's a big round room and I'd sit in the middle of it. I still sit on the side of the church, on the end of the pew (vs in the middle of the bench) so that one arm is resting on the side. I crouch down on my haunches vs bending down to get something out of a kitchen cabinet. I don't just turn and walk at the same time, I turn, and then walk (hope that makes sense.) Walking down the stairs, I keep one hand on the bannister or skimming the wall. Today I'm about 90% better. I can drive and live a fairly normal life. I still have rough days and I can tell before I notice the vertigo because I get really tired and crabby. Because sinus swelling heavily affects me, I'm on several different allergy meds and this time of year is fairly rough with the winds and the pollens blowing everywhere. I take a lot of naps when my symptoms are acting up, as fatigue doesn't help the brain cope with the vertigo. My symptoms are worse at night because I'm more tired and my allergy meds are wearing off (I do take allergy meds twice a day to help with this, but it's not enough.) Hopefully this novel will give you an idea or two of how to get some help. Honestly, it took 5 months for doctors to really take me seriously. They thought the vertigo was nerves and menopause, then they decided it was my heart. Nope. It turns out my CT scan had been read incorrectly and my sphenoid sinus was 95% blocked instead of 95% clear. It took 5 department heads at Walter Reed Bethesda, looking over my charts and tests, to find the problem. I had 3 hours of vestibular testing, saving the caloric test for last. They blow air into your ears and a normal person gets incredibly dizzy very quickly, so they save it for last. When they blew air into my right ear, I had no reaction whatsoever. And we had a diagnosis!
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 4, 2017 17:40:20 GMT
Mine has no discernible reason why it happened. I wasn't born with it, I acquired it sometime in my teens. I had my first MRI at 19 with them looking for the obvious MS lesions or some kind of mass that would cause it, but there was nothing. Over the years, I have had routine MRIs to follow up, but there never has been any kind of causation. I had my most recent one about a month ago, with still nothing new. Just the nystagmus with oscillopsia (a rotation that causes bouncing.) When I look right, the jerk is to the right, when I look left, the jerk is to the left with a down beat.
I laughingly say I am like a pinball bouncing off the sides of walls. I often trail my hand along the wall when I walk because it 'grounds' me to a point and I know everyone thinks I am as a big old klutz because I am constantly tripping over air or running into door frames (that depth perception thing makes it so I have trouble determining how far away things are.) Stairs are a no go unless given no choice...and then I have a death grip on the rails.
I was told no PT because I have had it so long that I have mostly instinctively compensated for what they would be working on. It wasn't a sudden onset, so by the time I went in for my first MRI I had already learning what not to do.
The thing that is hardest for me to explain to people is the double vision with bouncing vision unless i am looking straight at you. People always tell me to get new glasses or about their astigmatism. Or that the overwhelming nausea I have is mostly in my head...no, it's like having morning sickness all. damn. day. every. damn. day. with some days being worse.
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Post by MaryMary on Nov 4, 2017 17:45:01 GMT
Mine improved after antibiotics. I’m not nearly as dizzy as I once was. I used to have to hold onto walls and handrails to keep from tipping over. Driving was scary because my vertigo was so bad.
Sorry you’re dealing with this without any explanation. Eye issues suck.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 4, 2017 17:55:24 GMT
Mine has no discernible reason why it happened. I wasn't born with it, I acquired it sometime in my teens. I had my first MRI at 19 with them looking for the obvious MS lesions or some kind of mass that would cause it, but there was nothing. Over the years, I have had routine MRIs to follow up, but there never has been any kind of causation. I had my most recent one about a month ago, with still nothing new. Just the nystagmus with oscillopsia (a rotation that causes bouncing.) When I look right, the jerk is to the right, when I look left, the jerk is to the left with a down beat. I laughingly say I am like a pinball bouncing off the sides of walls. I often trail my hand along the wall when I walk because it 'grounds' me to a point and I know everyone thinks I am as a big old klutz because I am constantly tripping over air or running into door frames (that depth perception thing makes it so I have trouble determining how far away things are.) Stairs are a no go unless given no choice...and then I have a death grip on the rails. I was told no PT because I have had it so long that I have mostly instinctively compensated for what they would be working on. It wasn't a sudden onset, so by the time I went in for my first MRI I had already learning what not to do. The thing that is hardest for me to explain to people is the double vision with bouncing vision unless i am looking straight at you. People always tell me to get new glasses or about their astigmatism. Or that the overwhelming nausea I have is mostly in my head...no, it's like having morning sickness all. damn. day. every. damn. day. with some days being worse. Can you take meclizine for the dizziness? It's the same as the non-drowsy Dramamine formula, although it can still make you drowsy. I took it for a month or so when I was at my worst and I definitely got used to it so that I wasn't drowsy every day. But then I had to go off of it because I had to feel the vertigo for the brain remapping. And I completely agree with the morning sickness analogy. That's exactly it. Just a low level of nausea and general feeling of unwellness--all day, every day. And I agree with the fact that people just don't get it. I hate to compare it to anything like cancer because I knew it wasn't going to kill me and I wasn't going to die, but the disability that it caused was comparable to the treatment. My husband was deployed at it's worst, but I was still expected to run a household, run carpool, volunteer at the school, and generally go about life. But here I was sleeping 16 hours a day, falling out of bed in my sleep, vomiting in my sleep, I couldn't drive, and just going about my days with a feeling of malaise that I just couldn't shake. But no one offered to make me dinner or shuttle me to appointments, pick up groceries or take my kids so I could have a nap. I'm so very grateful that it wasn't cancer, but a little part of me was a bit sad that no one around me took it seriously. (And please be kind--I feel so horrible to write that out. But I was a bit resentful that no one was helping my family when I'd helped so many others. And brain injuries can cause a lot of anger on their own.) So I got a cleaning service, had groceries delivered, and had the kids come home in a taxi. And I really tried not to feel guilty for that.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 4, 2017 18:06:50 GMT
But no one offered to make me dinner or shuttle me to appointments, pick up groceries or take my kids so I could have a nap. I'm so very grateful that it wasn't cancer, but a little part of me was a bit sad that no one around me took it seriously. (And please be kind--I feel so horrible to write that out. But I was a bit resentful that no one was helping my family when I'd helped so many others. No judgement from me. My mom goes to all my appointments with me and she still has trouble understanding the day to day effects of what my life is like. She sees that I still get up and go to my job, I still do my errands, still drive (although not at night) and generally do what I have to do. And if I complain that I am tired, she tells me to exercise more. Trying to explain to people the over whelming fatigue that comes along with the mental concentration all day long to focus and get on getting on...well, I gave up on that. I would love for someone to come help me clean my house. That is my big bug-a-boo. It is sometimes hard for me to actually see what needs to be done. Leaning over to see base boards? HA. I can do the big stuff, but the finer details escape me. But it is an invisible thing and so no one thinks you need help. When you very often do. I have been given klonopin to help with the oscillopia and it does help a little, which in turn has helped with the nausea. Now it just morning sickness all day instead of throwing up all day. lol
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Post by StephDRebel on Nov 4, 2017 18:27:26 GMT
I know a first grader with a severe case. I just made cotton candy for his class last week while he talked to them about his eyes.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 5, 2017 13:13:47 GMT
I hope y'all don't mind if I bump this a time or two?
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Post by pridemom on Nov 5, 2017 13:27:08 GMT
But no one offered to make me dinner or shuttle me to appointments, pick up groceries or take my kids so I could have a nap. I'm so very grateful that it wasn't cancer, but a little part of me was a bit sad that no one around me took it seriously. (And please be kind--I feel so horrible to write that out. But I was a bit resentful that no one was helping my family when I'd helped so many others. No judgement from me. My mom goes to all my appointments with me and she still has trouble understanding the day to day effects of what my life is like. She sees that I still get up and go to my job, I still do my errands, still drive (although not at night) and generally do what I have to do. And if I complain that I am tired, she tells me to exercise more. Trying to explain to people the over whelming fatigue that comes along with the mental concentration all day long to focus and get on getting on...well, I gave up on that. I would love for someone to come help me clean my house. That is my big bug-a-boo. It is sometimes hard for me to actually see what needs to be done. Leaning over to see base boards? HA. I can do the big stuff, but the finer details escape me. But it is an invisible thing and so no one thinks you need help. When you very often do. I have been given klonopin to help with the oscillopia and it does help a little, which in turn has helped with the nausea. Now it just morning sickness all day instead of throwing up all day. lol Hugs. Having an invisible disability and a chikd with the same, I understand. We take super expensive drugs and go through severe pain. People with cancer get benefits and tons of attention. I don't begrudge them at all, but many conditions are super expensive to treat and have no cure rate, and they still can kill you. Yes, it's not cancer and I am grateful for that, but that doesn't mean we don't struggle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 14:22:32 GMT
Mine has no discernible reason why it happened. I wasn't born with it, I acquired it sometime in my teens. I had my first MRI at 19 with them looking for the obvious MS lesions or some kind of mass that would cause it, but there was nothing. Over the years, I have had routine MRIs to follow up, but there never has been any kind of causation. I had my most recent one about a month ago, with still nothing new. Just the nystagmus with oscillopsia (a rotation that causes bouncing.) When I look right, the jerk is to the right, when I look left, the jerk is to the left with a down beat. I laughingly say I am like a pinball bouncing off the sides of walls. I often trail my hand along the wall when I walk because it 'grounds' me to a point and I know everyone thinks I am as a big old klutz because I am constantly tripping over air or running into door frames (that depth perception thing makes it so I have trouble determining how far away things are.) Stairs are a no go unless given no choice...and then I have a death grip on the rails. I was told no PT because I have had it so long that I have mostly instinctively compensated for what they would be working on. It wasn't a sudden onset, so by the time I went in for my first MRI I had already learning what not to do. The thing that is hardest for me to explain to people is the double vision with bouncing vision unless i am looking straight at you. People always tell me to get new glasses or about their astigmatism. Or that the overwhelming nausea I have is mostly in my head...no, it's like having morning sickness all. damn. day. every. damn. day. with some days being worse. My, then 17 year old, daughter woke up after brain tumor surgery 4 1/2 years ago with nystagmus and an assortment of other eye issues including double vision. Her struggles with walking and nausea sound similar to yours. She could not walk 5 feet without vomiting. She spent six weeks in the hospital and her weight dropped to a very unhealthy number because of the nausea. After discharge she went through 7 months of PT until they felt she was as good as she was going to be which was awful. With eye surgery, and vision therapy (still goes 4 1/2 years out from brain surgery) she is doing better. She still is not quite right... Steps are hard, uneven ground is hard, and grass and gravel are hard. She has to be very careful not to trip over curbs because can not see the change in the ground. She gets nauseous doing things like unloading the dishwasher... moving her head down to see a plate to pick up and then moving her head up to see the shelf to put it on is too much. I was skeptical that vision therapy would help but it has!!!!! She has two teams she sees in two different cities for all her eye issues and all agree the vision therapy has made a dramatic difference. They check her eyes often and update and change her prescription. I am pretty sure vision therapy is available most places. I do not know were you are and if you can travel for treatment but one of the doctors on my daughter's team has patients from all over the world come to see him. He actually developed a surgical procedure for nystagmus!!!! If you would like more information PM me.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 6, 2017 14:58:27 GMT
If y'all don't mind, I'd like to bump this one more time for the weekday crowd??
Thank you all for indulging me...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 16:53:01 GMT
I have heard of it, and so sorry you are suffering with it. I have a congenital 3rd nerve palsy so I understand the double-vision, tilted head, etc. I also close one eye at times to read. It’s weird as it’s also hard to describe to people, and most don’t see my tilted head but some do. I now hold my head differently in photos so it’s not so obvious because photos make it very evident. I have learned over the years to move my head a certain way. Hope you can find some relief, and night driving is terrible for me. I avoid it at all costs. Hugs!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 19:12:02 GMT
I have a few problems (myopia, astigmatism, amblyopia and light strabism) and after I woke up dizzy and queasy in July, my ENT said I had nastygmus because of an ear problem. I haven't seen my ophtalmologist since. Should I ? Maybe it would explain my tiredness and a few other things. I thought it was very short term until now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
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Post by kernriver on Nov 6, 2017 20:00:18 GMT
Ive had it with vertigo. I had to stay in bed.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 6, 2017 20:59:35 GMT
I have a few problems (myopia, astigmatism, amblyopia and light strabism) and after I woke up dizzy and queasy in July, my ENT said I had nastygmus because of an ear problem. I haven't seen my ophtalmologist since. Should I ? Maybe it would explain my tiredness and a few other things. I thought it was very short term until now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Perfect! They may be able to do something about it. Or give you some OT to deal with it.
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