bethany102399
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Post by bethany102399 on Nov 13, 2017 18:16:13 GMT
If it's trauma or fear, a PTSD response, then hand gestures or eye contact could be anything but simple. In the throes of a flashback or trigger? And certainly no gestures or eye contact if they aren't "allowed" to speak to males. I would agree with this. I'd chalk it up to you have no idea what someone else is going through (plus its nicer to think that way rather than they were just rude). I can tell you my mom, who turned 75 last month would have worked herself into a state and would have just shut down totally. She would have been either mortified or totally rattled, either way I can see her forgetting the basic manners I know she knows. I've seen her do things that just make me shake my head when she's upset. Her cognitive ability to process when stressed has drastically changed in the last 10 years. Now would I admit that in front of her? Heck no, but I can also see someone in a state of panic, shut down and not react at all. A BIG thank you to your DH and the guys who helped her.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 13, 2017 18:19:36 GMT
i think it was rude not to acknowledge that kind gesture. i would have thanked the people profusely. i know we should do things even without the need for gratitude or thanks but social etiquette dictates that the recipient should at least acknowledge the gesture. i hope this doesn't prevent those guys from wanting to help in the future just because this person was rude.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 13, 2017 18:34:08 GMT
Everything you described sends off alarm bells that something very different might be going on with this woman. We reported mom to the DMV before she was officially diagnosed with dementia because of a fear that something like this would happen. It has happened where a driver gets confused in the middle of an intersection and just stops. Other cars may start honking and/or driving around them and they just freeze.
I have to ask why they assumed she ran out of gas? Honestly, the poor woman might have been in a full on panic attack with half a tank of gas and no clue what to do next.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Nov 13, 2017 18:34:30 GMT
I'll agree with your OP. She could've nodded, smiled, waved, thumbs up...nobody's saying she had to speak to them but she could've at least knowledged their presence. And yes, I've worked with victims of all kinds of trauma, and it doesn't give them a pass to be rude.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Nov 13, 2017 18:37:43 GMT
If people are kind enough to lend a helping hand, I hope they are kind enough to acknowledge possible reasons for reactions besides "they're just a**holes." Then again, maybe they are. But why let that cheapen a good deed? Would you leave someone stranded because you weren't going to get an enthusiastic enough response? DH was glad to help her not expecting anything in return. He wouldn't have left her stranded- he was hopping out of our car just about as soon as he saw she wasn't moving. Maybe I'm feeling defensive of him but he was happy he could help and would do it again and again even without any acknowledgement of his actions- that's not why he did it.
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Post by MsKnit on Nov 13, 2017 18:38:03 GMT
I'll agree with your OP. She could've nodded, smiled, waved, thumbs up...nobody's saying she had to speak to them but she could've at least knowledged their presence. And yes, I've worked with victims of all kinds of trauma, and it doesn't give them a pass to be rude. It may not give them "a pass." However, it costs one nothing to give a person the benefit of the doubt. We have no idea what is going on with another person.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Nov 13, 2017 18:39:56 GMT
I have to ask why they assumed she ran out of gas? Honestly, the poor woman might have been in a full on panic attack with half a tank of gas and no clue what to do next. I don't know why that was the assumption. I didn't ask DH that. But she had to have put the car into neutral in order for them to push it so she wasn't just being pushed against her will.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 13, 2017 18:48:16 GMT
I have to ask why they assumed she ran out of gas? Honestly, the poor woman might have been in a full on panic attack with half a tank of gas and no clue what to do next. I don't know why that was the assumption. I didn't ask DH that. But she had to have put the car into neutral in order for them to push it so she wasn't just being pushed against her will. I think it was great your DH and the other guys got her out of the intersection, I'm just saying her reaction/response to the event sends off alarm bells that something else was going on. And it is more likely IMHO that the "something" in this situation is related to the driver not the car.
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Post by naby64 on Nov 13, 2017 18:48:35 GMT
I have to ask this as I am in the south. This is in GA. Hate that I ask and sound like an a** as I do, but were these women Caucasian, African-American? Another ethnicity? That could have come into play. Not saying it did but just another thought I don't think I have read on here. While I wouldn't immediately jump to rude, I would wonder why there was no acknowledgement.
Knowing my grandmother, who was a sourpuss, I sort of feel like she might not have said anything. No matter how nice the gesture was. I also agree with someone upthread, if there might not have been some dementia in play here.
Who knows? I do thank your DH and the other gentlemen who did help. Not many will these days.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Nov 13, 2017 18:51:36 GMT
but were these women Caucasian, African-American? Another ethnicity? That could have come into play. The ladies were African-American, the first guy that stopped was also, DH is white (but could be mistaken for Hispanic) and I'm not sure about the 3rd guy. I don't think it was a race thing.
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Post by naby64 on Nov 13, 2017 19:01:10 GMT
but were these women Caucasian, African-American? Another ethnicity? That could have come into play. The ladies were African-American, the first guy that stopped was also, DH is white (but could be mistaken for Hispanic) and I'm not sure about the 3rd guy. I don't think it was a race thing. Ok, I just know in some areas it could have been an issue that would have prevented them from speaking. I know in my small town there are times I have done a pleasantry just out of habit and the recipient would not acknowledge me. They would be older and just keep their heads down.
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Post by Rhondito on Nov 13, 2017 20:46:34 GMT
I'll sit with you and say it was downright rude. Not only did she have to put the car in neutral, she had to steer it and she steered it to the pump. At the very least she could have acknowledged the men with a nod or a wave.
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Post by inkedup on Nov 13, 2017 21:27:18 GMT
Only in pea land would people imply that OP's husband was rude for expecting a thank you from these ladies.
There are so many crazy scenarios being bandied about - fear, abuse, PTSD, her passenger being a snitch, oppressive religion - when the simple truth is that these ladies were rude, regardless of whatever scenario you want to imagine. It really isn't that hard to express gratitude.
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Post by inkedup on Nov 13, 2017 21:30:51 GMT
I have to ask this as I am in the south. This is in GA. Hate that I ask and sound like an a** as I do, but were these women Caucasian, African-American? Another ethnicity? That could have come into play. Not saying it did but just another thought I don't think I have read on here. While I wouldn't immediately jump to rude, I would wonder why there was no acknowledgement. Knowing my grandmother, who was a sourpuss, I sort of feel like she might not have said anything. No matter how nice the gesture was. I also agree with someone upthread, if there might not have been some dementia in play here. Who knows? I do thank your DH and the other gentlemen who did help. Not many will these days. Dementia? The leaps of logic to excuse the rude way these women behaved are laughable. If she's too sick from dementia to say thanks, then she certainly shouldn't be behind the wheel.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 13, 2017 21:43:34 GMT
Only in pea land would people imply that OP's husband was rude for expecting a thank you from these ladies. There are so many crazy scenarios being bandied about - fear, abuse, PTSD, her passenger being a snitch, oppressive religion - when the simple truth is that these ladies were rude, regardless of whatever scenario you want to imagine. It really isn't that hard to express gratitude. And it really isn't hard to extend compassion when you don't know other people's circumstances either. Sadly for many people, these scenarios are everyday life, not "crazy"!
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 13, 2017 21:44:11 GMT
I have to ask this as I am in the south. This is in GA. Hate that I ask and sound like an a** as I do, but were these women Caucasian, African-American? Another ethnicity? That could have come into play. Not saying it did but just another thought I don't think I have read on here. While I wouldn't immediately jump to rude, I would wonder why there was no acknowledgement. Knowing my grandmother, who was a sourpuss, I sort of feel like she might not have said anything. No matter how nice the gesture was. I also agree with someone upthread, if there might not have been some dementia in play here. Who knows? I do thank your DH and the other gentlemen who did help. Not many will these days. Dementia? The leaps of logic to excuse the rude way these women behaved are laughable. If she's too sick from dementia to say thanks, then she certainly shouldn't be behind the wheel. Just because people shouldn't be behind the wheel doesn't mean they aren't! My grandfather was driving witn binoculars when we finally got the keys away from him...after he hit a car in a parking lot and "rudely" fled the scene because he had no idea he'd been in an accident until the police showed up at his house!
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Post by naby64 on Nov 13, 2017 21:47:07 GMT
I have to ask this as I am in the south. This is in GA. Hate that I ask and sound like an a** as I do, but were these women Caucasian, African-American? Another ethnicity? That could have come into play. Not saying it did but just another thought I don't think I have read on here. While I wouldn't immediately jump to rude, I would wonder why there was no acknowledgement. Knowing my grandmother, who was a sourpuss, I sort of feel like she might not have said anything. No matter how nice the gesture was. I also agree with someone upthread, if there might not have been some dementia in play here. Who knows? I do thank your DH and the other gentlemen who did help. Not many will these days. Dementia? The leaps of logic to excuse the rude way these women behaved are laughable. If she's too sick from dementia to say thanks, then she certainly shouldn't be behind the wheel.I am not disagreeing with you here. Maybe she doesn't have family nearby to oversee how she is. Maybe she hides it from family like my grandmother tried to do. The leaps of logic are all over the board. NO ONE on this board knows why this lady acted the way she did. Rude, sick, ashamed, who knows?
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Post by Zee on Nov 13, 2017 21:51:08 GMT
Only in pea land would people imply that OP's husband was rude for expecting a thank you from these ladies. There are so many crazy scenarios being bandied about - fear, abuse, PTSD, her passenger being a snitch, oppressive religion - when the simple truth is that these ladies were rude, regardless of whatever scenario you want to imagine. It really isn't that hard to express gratitude. I think because it's so far out of the norm for social behavior, everyone is suggesting that there might be some reason behind it besides rudeness. (Until I read that there were two of them. Just weird)
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Post by rickmer on Nov 13, 2017 21:57:27 GMT
We do kind things to be kind... true words... i remind myself of this often when i hold the first of a set of double doors open for someone.... they walk thru without a word and then open the second door and walk thru ahead of me without returning the favour. sigh.
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Post by inkedup on Nov 13, 2017 22:22:09 GMT
Only in pea land would people imply that OP's husband was rude for expecting a thank you from these ladies. There are so many crazy scenarios being bandied about - fear, abuse, PTSD, her passenger being a snitch, oppressive religion - when the simple truth is that these ladies were rude, regardless of whatever scenario you want to imagine. It really isn't that hard to express gratitude. And it really isn't hard to extend compassion when you don't know other people's circumstances either. Sadly for many people, these scenarios are everyday life, not "crazy"! How am I failing to extend compassion when I say it is rude not to thank people who stopped their day and physically pushed this car into a safe area? I'm not saying I wouldn't help them or that they didn't deserve help. I've helped plenty of people who don't have manners and it won't stop me from helping other people in the future. The lack of civility in American society is often mentioned on this board. But so often, in threads that discuss basic politeness (this thread, the toddler pooping at the restaurant table), those of us who fail to excuse the rude behavior are told we are not kind or compassionate enough while some of you ignore logic in favor of wild scenarios that excuse the rudeness. It costs just about as much to be grateful as it costs to be kind.
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Post by hop2 on Nov 13, 2017 22:46:06 GMT
I have to ask this as I am in the south. This is in GA. Hate that I ask and sound like an a** as I do, but were these women Caucasian, African-American? Another ethnicity? That could have come into play. Not saying it did but just another thought I don't think I have read on here. While I wouldn't immediately jump to rude, I would wonder why there was no acknowledgement. Knowing my grandmother, who was a sourpuss, I sort of feel like she might not have said anything. No matter how nice the gesture was. I also agree with someone upthread, if there might not have been some dementia in play here. Who knows? I do thank your DH and the other gentlemen who did help. Not many will these days. Dementia? The leaps of logic to excuse the rude way these women behaved are laughable. If she's too sick from dementia to say thanks, then she certainly shouldn't be behind the wheel. I donât know what happens in other states but dementia patients donât necessarily get their licenses taken away in my state. It full out crazy what happened with my mom. The DMV renewed my motherâs license even though my sister had both a letter from her Dr about her dementia & a letter from her eye Dr about her untreated cataracts. But since she âpassedâ the âeye testâ administered by the clerk at the DMV ( the same âtestâ given out loud to the 10 people in front of her ) the DMV renewed her license. Because somehow the DMV clerk is more qualified to decide that than 2 medical professionals. We would have had to take my mother to court to get the license revoked, which cost money. It was cheaper to just hide her keys so she couldnât find them. I smdh at the stupidity of it. Because the seniors go out to vote in Nj ( and lately they are the only ones ) thier Lobby is rather strong and it is difficult to get new laws about seniors driving & retesting. The grocery store banned her from using the electric cart but DMV renewed her license As for the OP yes what happened seemed rude. But it wasnât all out overtly rude like she was mean or something. Your never going to know if there was some extenuating issue. Your DH And the others did a kind thing. I say do another kind thing and assume there was some reason she didnât acknowledge. I giggled a tiny bit at the OP story because lack of any response at all would be so low on the rude Meter in some parts Of the metro area as to barely tegister a response. No swear words were exchanged and no swear gestures were given so itâs way low down on the rudeness scale. But hey my state and the neighboring states all have road range issues according to polls.
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Post by maryland on Nov 13, 2017 22:52:29 GMT
That is so rude! She should have been thanking your husband and the other kind people who helped. I can't even imagine how they felt not being thanked. Well, if it was me, my husband or kids and people came to our rescue, we would be thanking them, as I am sure 95% of the rest of the population would.
I just read the other responses where other gave reasons that they didn't say thanks. Although I still think they were being rude, I do think the looking at it the other way (they were rattled, embarrassed, worried that they could have caused an accident), that could be a possibility. I hope that was the reason they didn't thank these kind people who helped. And maybe they will be thankful that these wonderful men helped them out and maybe these women will return the favor and help others in their situation some day.
I guess these men could have been in danger too, not knowing what they were getting into going up to the car. So again, super kind of them to help out! Please tell your husband that I would like to thank him for those people.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 13, 2017 22:53:49 GMT
I have to ask this as I am in the south. This is in GA. Hate that I ask and sound like an a** as I do, but were these women Caucasian, African-American? Another ethnicity? That could have come into play. Not saying it did but just another thought I don't think I have read on here. While I wouldn't immediately jump to rude, I would wonder why there was no acknowledgement. Knowing my grandmother, who was a sourpuss, I sort of feel like she might not have said anything. No matter how nice the gesture was. I also agree with someone upthread, if there might not have been some dementia in play here. Who knows? I do thank your DH and the other gentlemen who did help. Not many will these days. Dementia? The leaps of logic to excuse the rude way these women behaved are laughable. If she's too sick from dementia to say thanks, then she certainly shouldn't be behind the wheel. As I said, we reported my mother to the DMV because my dad refused to acknowledge her her declining health. He was in deep denial. She drove off to get her doctor's clearance and never showed up for the appointment. Completely forgot where she was going and my dad found out when the doctor's office called looking for her. And then you have to call the police. Not because they are going out to look for her, but so they are aware if her vehicle is in a traffic incident her response will not be normal. For some of us, based on our life experience, the behavior here does sound like something could be wrong with the driver. đ
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Post by inkedup on Nov 13, 2017 23:13:12 GMT
Dementia? The leaps of logic to excuse the rude way these women behaved are laughable. If she's too sick from dementia to say thanks, then she certainly shouldn't be behind the wheel. I donât know what happens in other states but dementia patients donât necessarily get their licenses taken away in my state. It full out crazy what happened with my mom. The DMV renewed my motherâs license even though my sister had both a letter from her Dr about her dementia & a letter from her eye Dr about her untreated cataracts. But since she âpassedâ the âeye testâ administered by the clerk at the DMV ( the same âtestâ given out loud to the 10 people in front of her ) the DMV renewed her license. Because somehow the DMV clerk is more qualified to decide that than 2 medical professionals. We would have had to take my mother to court to get the license revoked, which cost money. It was cheaper to just hide her keys so she couldnât find them. I smdh at the stupidity of it. Because the seniors go out to vote in Nj ( and lately they are the only ones ) thier Lobby is rather strong and it is difficult to get new laws about seniors driving & retesting. The grocery store banned her from using the electric cart but DMV renewed her license As for the OP yes what happened seemed rude. But it wasnât all out overtly rude like she was mean or something. Your never going to know if there was some extenuating issue. Your DH And the others did a kind thing. I say do another kind thing and assume there was some reason she didnât acknowledge. I giggled a tiny bit at the OP story because lack of any response at all would be so low on the rude Meter in some parts Of the metro area as to barely tegister a response. No swear words were exchanged and no swear gestures were given so itâs way low down on the rudeness scale. But hey my state and the neighboring states all have road range issues according to polls. I didn't mean to be flippant about dementia. I do realize that it's not as,easy as saying "don't drive if you have dementia." I'm sorry for all of you who have loved ones who suffer, or suffered, from this cruel disease. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
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Post by maryland on Nov 13, 2017 23:17:14 GMT
And it really isn't hard to extend compassion when you don't know other people's circumstances either. Sadly for many people, these scenarios are everyday life, not "crazy"! How am I failing to extend compassion when I say it is rude not to thank people who stopped their day and physically pushed this car into a safe area? I'm not saying I wouldn't help them or that they didn't deserve help. I've helped plenty of people who don't have manners and it won't stop me from helping other people in the future. The lack of civility in American society is often mentioned on this board. But so often, in threads that discuss basic politeness (this thread, the toddler pooping at the restaurant table), those of us who fail to excuse the rude behavior are told we are not kind or compassionate enough while some of you ignore logic in favor of wild scenarios that excuse the rudeness. It costs just about as much to be grateful as it costs to be kind. We think alike!
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Post by maryland on Nov 13, 2017 23:21:36 GMT
We do kind things to be kind... true words... i remind myself of this often when i hold the first of a set of double doors open for someone.... they walk thru without a word and then open the second door and walk thru ahead of me without returning the favour. sigh. That always bothers my daughters. They have been taught to open doors/hold them open for others ever since they were big enough to hold open the door. While most people are so kind and thank them, some do as you mentioned above. But they still hold open doors because they know it's the right thing to do. I just tell my girls that maybe the person was having a bad day, but they would be extra nice to others another day to make up for it!
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Post by hop2 on Nov 14, 2017 1:38:31 GMT
I donât know what happens in other states but dementia patients donât necessarily get their licenses taken away in my state. It full out crazy what happened with my mom. The DMV renewed my motherâs license even though my sister had both a letter from her Dr about her dementia & a letter from her eye Dr about her untreated cataracts. But since she âpassedâ the âeye testâ administered by the clerk at the DMV ( the same âtestâ given out loud to the 10 people in front of her ) the DMV renewed her license. Because somehow the DMV clerk is more qualified to decide that than 2 medical professionals. We would have had to take my mother to court to get the license revoked, which cost money. It was cheaper to just hide her keys so she couldnât find them. I smdh at the stupidity of it. Because the seniors go out to vote in Nj ( and lately they are the only ones ) thier Lobby is rather strong and it is difficult to get new laws about seniors driving & retesting. The grocery store banned her from using the electric cart but DMV renewed her license As for the OP yes what happened seemed rude. But it wasnât all out overtly rude like she was mean or something. Your never going to know if there was some extenuating issue. Your DH And the others did a kind thing. I say do another kind thing and assume there was some reason she didnât acknowledge. I giggled a tiny bit at the OP story because lack of any response at all would be so low on the rude Meter in some parts Of the metro area as to barely tegister a response. No swear words were exchanged and no swear gestures were given so itâs way low down on the rudeness scale. But hey my state and the neighboring states all have road range issues according to polls. I didn't mean to be flippant about dementia. I do realize that it's not as,easy as saying "don't drive if you have dementia." I'm sorry for all of you who have loved ones who suffer, or suffered, from this cruel disease. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I didnât think you were flippant ( my state Is flippant ) I was just offering a scenario where people with dementia might drive.
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Post by busy on Nov 14, 2017 2:20:51 GMT
Only in pea land would people imply that OP's husband was rude for expecting a thank you from these ladies. There are so many crazy scenarios being bandied about - fear, abuse, PTSD, her passenger being a snitch, oppressive religion - when the simple truth is that these ladies were rude, regardless of whatever scenario you want to imagine. It really isn't that hard to express gratitude. Thatâs fine if you want to think that way. None of us will ever know what was really going through their minds. I prefer to assume positive things about people, so if I am faced with a situation where someone behaves very strangely for no apparent reason, Iâd rather give them the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming theyâre a shitty person. I find life more pleasant that way. And honestly, the things peas have said over the years here about how they react to unexpected visitors, workers in their homes, and the like, I donât think fear is a âcrazy scenarioâ at all.
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Post by pondrunner on Nov 14, 2017 4:14:31 GMT
Only in pea land would people imply that OP's husband was rude for expecting a thank you from these ladies. There are so many crazy scenarios being bandied about - fear, abuse, PTSD, her passenger being a snitch, oppressive religion - when the simple truth is that these ladies were rude, regardless of whatever scenario you want to imagine. It really isn't that hard to express gratitude. Some of the scenarios here are maybe a bit implausible or unlikely certainly. The one that I don't find to be an outlier is the fear, panic, anxiety, response. I once when I was young long before the time of cell phones was broken down by the side of the road on a winter's afternoon. I recall being desperately afraid and could not make a decision what to do, I was taught not to get out of the car but to wait for help, but police cars passed me without stopping so I didn't know what to do. A man stopped to offer help, I wasn't about to get in a car with a stranger, I remember feeling responsible for his feelings and not wanting to be rude but not knowing how he could help me without violating my perception of safety. sometimes you get a bit froze up and I did then for sure. Fear is a strong emotion that motivates one in ways one does not always understand. It is always more polite to thank your helpers. It is also disappointing to do something kind and not be thanked. This is true. Sometimes it is unfortunately also something that happens. Just tonight my neighbor wouldn't answer her door when my husband went to tell her she'd left her map lights on. She sat in her chair and ignored his knocking. I went over and she came out, told me she just didn't recognize him and didn't feel safe. I understand it, a man she didn't know was on her porch at 8:30pm. Her anxiety got the better of her that moment.
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Post by inkedup on Nov 14, 2017 6:21:19 GMT
Only in pea land would people imply that OP's husband was rude for expecting a thank you from these ladies. There are so many crazy scenarios being bandied about - fear, abuse, PTSD, her passenger being a snitch, oppressive religion - when the simple truth is that these ladies were rude, regardless of whatever scenario you want to imagine. It really isn't that hard to express gratitude. Thatâs fine if you want to think that way. None of us will ever know what was really going through their minds. I prefer to assume positive things about people, so if I am faced with a situation where someone behaves very strangely for no apparent reason, Iâd rather give them the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming theyâre a shitty person. I find life more pleasant that way. And honestly, the things peas have said over the years here about how they react to unexpected visitors, workers in their homes, and the like, I donât think fear is a âcrazy scenarioâ at all. No, the only person you implied anything negative about was OP's husband. You obliquely implied that it was wrong of him to expect thanks. "Sometimes, that has to be enough." You can keep patting yourself on the back for how kind and morally superior you are. I'm so over the need some Peas have to turn everything into a contest of whom is the most compassionate and evolved. I guess I'm the jerk for thinking it's rude not to thank the people who dragged these ladies out of traffic. I bet the responses would be completely different if a Pea came on and complained about how she broke down in the middle of the street and no one stopped to help her.
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