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Post by librarylady on Nov 18, 2017 23:49:25 GMT
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Post by burningfeather on Nov 19, 2017 0:08:57 GMT
I think that it's a far reach to call a penis drawn or carved by a 8-12 year old boy (since it says grade school) a form of sexual harassment. But by all means, let's all think back to our grade school years and make ourselves victims.
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 19, 2017 0:17:41 GMT
I think that it's a far reach to call a penis drawn or carved by a 8-12 year old boy (since it says grade school) a form of sexual harassment. But by all means, let's all think back to our grade school years and make ourselves victims. If you have ever worked with a multitude of ten to twelve year old boys, this isn't a huge stretch. While most grade school boys are pretty sweet and innocent, I can tell you that I have met more than my fair share of sexual predators in elementary school. They have either been abused themselves or introduced to porn or sex at a very young age. In elementary school, it isn't unheard of for at least five boys a year to end up in the office for sexual harassment charges and/or police called every year by school officials or very angry parents It definitely happens at elementary school and young girls (and other boys) are very much victims. Certainly kids this age are victims, and boys this age do draw penises to harass other kids in their classes. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 19, 2017 0:29:00 GMT
Didn't have that in my schools to the best of my recollection and I can picture the rooms and desks in all my grade schools. First grade is a bit fuzzy.
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Post by likescarrots on Nov 19, 2017 0:47:22 GMT
I don't think I've ever told anyone this but when I was a sophomore in high school i had a planner that had a fabric cover. I left it at my desk with my other belongings one day to go do work in another part of the room and when I came back this guy was drawing penises all over it with a sharpie. It was definitely targeting me, he wasn't just doodling and grabbed the closest thing. I was really sick over it (we didn't really have a lot of money and I obviously had to throw it out and hope my mother didn't ask where it went). To this day it's the first thing I think about when women talk about being sexually harassed. I think about how mild it seems in comparison to other stories (even other stories of my own) but for some reason it really always stays in the back of my mind.
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Post by pondrunner on Nov 19, 2017 0:48:34 GMT
I think that it's a far reach to call a penis drawn or carved by a 8-12 year old boy (since it says grade school) a form of sexual harassment. But by all means, let's all think back to our grade school years and make ourselves victims. I have and work with children in that age range, kids can certainly use those drawings to make others uncomfortable and it can absolutely create a hostile learning environment. It might be ubiquitous but it's not really okay. Certainly as an adult I have more significant experiences of harassment but I don't accept this as proper behavior even from a grade school boy. |
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Post by librarylady on Nov 19, 2017 0:51:16 GMT
I remember seeing that drawing when I was under age 10 and not knowing what it was. Why do boys do that? I have no idea. Girls don't draw breasts (the easily visible sexual body part). Why did the pilot draw one in the sky this week? Why would a grown man do that? burningfeather I agree--hard to say a little kid is sexually harassing others, but what makes them do that? I guess we can just chalk it up to the male fascination with the penis. |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Nov 19, 2017 14:04:17 GMT
I don't think I've ever told anyone this but when I was a sophomore in high school i had a planner that had a fabric cover. I left it at my desk with my other belongings one day to go do work in another part of the room and when I came back this guy was drawing penises all over it with a sharpie. It was definitely targeting me, he wasn't just doodling and grabbed the closest thing. I was really sick over it (we didn't really have a lot of money and I obviously had to throw it out and hope my mother didn't ask where it went). To this day it's the first thing I think about when women talk about being sexually harassed. I think about how mild it seems in comparison to other stories (even other stories of my own) but for some reason it really always stays in the back of my mind. I am sorry this happened to you. This is the kind of thing that would have hit hard with me, too. I was so proud of all my stationery items and a fabric planner spoiled that way  While I take the point about not elevating all past little incidents into Harvey W level harassment, I spent half a year of school in a mixed catch all group, all the kids who had joined in the middle of that year and were waiting to be placed. Also kids who had caused trouble in the other classes, gulp. I was at least a year younger than most kids and this was my first year in a co-ed school. The class d*€k delighted in similar graffiti, which he applied to schoolbags, lunch kit, whatever he could get his hands on, all day, every day. Sadly, his girlfriend aided and abetted this stuff. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 19, 2017 18:07:16 GMT
As a United States NAVY pilot did yesterday!! Using vapor trails! |
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Post by StephDRebel on Nov 20, 2017 15:30:10 GMT
I don't think I've ever told anyone this but when I was a sophomore in high school i had a planner that had a fabric cover. I left it at my desk with my other belongings one day to go do work in another part of the room and when I came back this guy was drawing penises all over it with a sharpie. It was definitely targeting me, he wasn't just doodling and grabbed the closest thing. I was really sick over it (we didn't really have a lot of money and I obviously had to throw it out and hope my mother didn't ask where it went). To this day it's the first thing I think about when women talk about being sexually harassed. I think about how mild it seems in comparison to other stories (even other stories of my own) but for some reason it really always stays in the back of my mind. I'm sorry that happened to you. I believe that was absolutely harassment. Random drawings on a desk or bathroom wall, not really. The difference in my mind is that there is a target and malicious intent. |
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Post by StephDRebel on Nov 20, 2017 15:30:15 GMT
I don't think I've ever told anyone this but when I was a sophomore in high school i had a planner that had a fabric cover. I left it at my desk with my other belongings one day to go do work in another part of the room and when I came back this guy was drawing penises all over it with a sharpie. It was definitely targeting me, he wasn't just doodling and grabbed the closest thing. I was really sick over it (we didn't really have a lot of money and I obviously had to throw it out and hope my mother didn't ask where it went). To this day it's the first thing I think about when women talk about being sexually harassed. I think about how mild it seems in comparison to other stories (even other stories of my own) but for some reason it really always stays in the back of my mind. I'm sorry that happened to you. I believe that was absolutely harassment. Random drawings on a desk or bathroom wall, not really. The difference in my mind is that there is a target and malicious intent. |
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Post by perumbula on Nov 20, 2017 15:40:10 GMT
the random drawings do have a target: everyone else, particularly girls. It's a power trip for those boys. They get to force people to look at their drawing who otherwise would never choose to see it. The power trip is what makes it harassment. Fairly mild on the spectrum of harassment, but it's there. I would also see it as an early warning indicator that some intervention needs to be done or the boy making those drawings may choose to ramp up his harassment game.
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Post by merry on Nov 20, 2017 15:45:57 GMT
I don't think I've ever told anyone this but when I was a sophomore in high school i had a planner that had a fabric cover. I left it at my desk with my other belongings one day to go do work in another part of the room and when I came back this guy was drawing penises all over it with a sharpie. It was definitely targeting me, he wasn't just doodling and grabbed the closest thing. I was really sick over it (we didn't really have a lot of money and I obviously had to throw it out and hope my mother didn't ask where it went). To this day it's the first thing I think about when women talk about being sexually harassed. I think about how mild it seems in comparison to other stories (even other stories of my own) but for some reason it really always stays in the back of my mind. Oh I feel for you! I loved my planners in school (still do!) and this would have crushed me. Isn't it sad, too, that for some reason we didn't feel comfortable telling our moms about these kind of things. I feel sick thinking my daughter might not tell me about things that I remember not telling my mom. I've talked to her about some of my experiences and will more as she ages - hope it will make a difference. We've got to start somewhere, because this has been going on forever. My husband was shocked but not surprised when I told him some of my experiences when the #metoo thing started. It's amazing that I still feel shame and embarrassment so many years later recounting the events. SaveSave |
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Post by merry on Nov 20, 2017 15:49:19 GMT
the random drawings do have a target: everyone else, particularly girls. It's a power trip for those boys. They get to force people to look at their drawing who otherwise would never choose to see it. The power trip is what makes it harassment. Fairly mild on the spectrum of harassment, but it's there. I would also see it as an early warning indicator that some intervention needs to be done or the boy making those drawings may choose to ramp up his harassment game. That Harry Potter scene just popped into my head of when he gets in trouble for writing something and has to write it over and over and as he does, it gets etched into the skin of his hand. I'm not usually that gruesome, but I bet it would be effective in this case. SaveSave |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 20, 2017 16:11:49 GMT
I think that it's a far reach to call a penis drawn or carved by a 8-12 year old boy (since it says grade school) a form of sexual harassment. But by all means, let's all think back to our grade school years and make ourselves victims. sexual harassment, maybe not, but it certainly speaks to the difference between what's considered 'acceptable' or 'expected' about how boys express themselves and how girls express themselves. Or how much *importance* boys / men place on their male genitalia, perhaps?? Not sure I can express my thinking clearly, but I can see what she means. It becomes part of our culture, and it apparently happens at a very early age. and it truly does seem almost ridiculous, sometimes... this quote from the article expresses that very clearly: "There's a story that when brilliant comic actress Judy Holliday was being chased around the casting couch by a director, she decided she had enough and yelled, "STOP. JUST STOP." Holliday then took her falsies out of her brassiere, handed them to the director and said, "I believe it's these you're after." ETA: Male genitalia (penis and testicles) is CERTAINLY a popular subject for graffiti, and I'm pretty sure the people who draw them huge on the side of a building or train car are trying to make SOME sort of a statement by drawing that, as opposed to any other subject. |
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