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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 20, 2017 4:23:06 GMT
I'm with @gar--50 is too young to be thinking about dying. That said, I am working on de-cluttering Now for my own sanity. I have to say that I am not the best at it. I wouldn't say I am a hoarder or even close to it, but I do fall victim to the "might need it" or "it's worth something" mentality. A few weeks ago I went through my younger boys' room. I have a lot of toys and clothes that I need to get rid of. I posted some of the toys on Facebook Groups last week and the clothes tonight. I have the hardest time donating or tossing things that i think are still worth something. Right now I have some toy sets that are missing some of the parts but playable. I am tempted to save a few of them to see if I find the parts, but then the other voice inside my head says to just get rid of it. I get hung up on stuff sitting in a landfill and also thinking about what things cost.
I think people should enjoy their things while they are alive. Hopefully that means getting rid of things as time goes on, just for the sake of not feeling overwhelmed with stuff. But I don't think people should be guilted into feeling like they need to get rid of everything just to make someone else happy.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 20, 2017 11:38:14 GMT
It became a spitting contest and it was soooo sad for me to see my dad sitting around in a house with a bunch of post it notes from people waiting for him to die. That is a sad thought.
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Post by utmr on Nov 20, 2017 12:30:43 GMT
threegirls and pridemomI'm so sorry for your losses. May their memories be a comfort and a blessing.
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Post by pyccku on Nov 20, 2017 12:34:03 GMT
While it's not bad to clean up before you pass so others don't have to deal with, it can certainly be taken too far.
DH is a very minimalist sort of person. He LOVES getting rid of things. Especially if he thinks they're worthless. Maybe the owner of the things doesn't want to get rid of it, maybe they use it...but if he doesn't personally see the need for something, it gives him a thrill to toss it or take it to Goodwill.
I get that you don't want to keep things that aren't being used. But his idea of "you're not using this" and mine are very different. He'll ask why I have coats in my closet if I'm not wearing them. In July. In Arizona. It bothers him that they're just sitting there, taking up space when I could have a closet that looks clean and empty if I would only weed out the things I'm not using.
I do go through from time to time and donate things. But he truly thinks it should be done every few weeks. And the worst is that if he bugs me to go through things and I do go through things, he comes up with new things to be gone through. I've explained to him that this is why I won't weed out while he's home - because if he sees me cleaning out the filing cabinet, he'll say that the kitchen also needs to be done. And if I'm working in the closet, the kids' rooms should also be cleaned out. He wants me to spend at least part of every single break cleaning out and weeding through. So that means every 9 weeks or so - fall break, winter break, spring break, summer break. Yeah, I get it - don't let it pile up and it won't be overwhelming - BUT I hardly ever buy anything new - especially clothing. So if I go through it in spring and then again in summer, it's not like I had 20 things and I'm up to 30, so now I'm going down to 20 again - it's more like I had 20 and didn't buy new, so now I'm going to have 10 things in the closet.
He grew up in Europe and is used to not having much storage space. But he's been here for 30+ years so you'd think he'd get over it. So what if I want to keep a shirt that he's only seen me wear twice in the last 6 months? Maybe I LIKE that shirt.
So yeah, it can be good but it can go too far if it's not you choosing to do the cleaning out.
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Post by gillyp on Nov 20, 2017 15:30:36 GMT
I have spent time over the last couple of months clearing my sister’s apartment following her unexpected death in August. It was really hard getting rid of anything that was hers and I was constantly mentally apologising to her for doing it. I’m sure she would have disposed of a lot of things beforehand if she’d had any inkling that she wouldn’t be with us much longer.
In the light of that I am determined to trim down a lot of my possessions although I struggle with the “it may come in useful” or “it may be worth something” mentality. I’ve made a start, though, and am determined to continue. In doing so I find my husband wants to hang onto things I want to get rid of!
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Post by mrssmith on Nov 20, 2017 15:38:59 GMT
My mom has been doing this with her jewelry (giving it to the women/girls in the family for holidays/birthdays). She doesn't have a lot of other stuff like dishes or knickknacks. However, OTHER people have been giving her books in our native language when their elderly parents pass away. My mom feels compelled to take them and find a new home for them. So I feel like we'll have to go through other people's stuff at the end!
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Post by pridemom on Nov 20, 2017 17:13:00 GMT
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Post by auntkelly on Nov 20, 2017 17:32:18 GMT
I'm not a hoarder and having been doing a really good job of getting rid of clutter the last couple of years. However, I'm not too crazy about the death cleaning idea. It doesn't bother me to think of my own death (I'm almost 58 and the years are starting to creep up on me). However, it makes me feel bad to think that someone who truly enjoys their things (like my 90 year old childless aunt) would feel obliged to get rid of those things so that she won't be a burden to her family after her death.
I do, however, think it's mean to burden your family by telling them to hold onto things after you are gone. I had a family member tell me just last week that she had told her daughter never to sell all the valuables she had obtained from the Franklin Mint. I didn't want to start a fight or I would have pointed out that one generation shouldn't be allowed to tell another generation what they must treasure. I also bit my tongue and didn't state the obvious-nothing from the Franklin Mint will ever be valuable.
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Post by Anita on Nov 20, 2017 18:09:45 GMT
I so wish I could accomplish this. I feel I've reached the pinnacle of stuff, and my house has way too much clutter. The problem is that it's all I can do to keep my hoarder-wannabe DH in check. If he dies first, I could seriously become a minimalist just to balance out the last 27 years.
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Post by scrapngranny on Nov 20, 2017 18:09:56 GMT
I didn’t know it had a name, but I have begun doing this exact thing. I know when I had to go through my mom’s stuff there was a lot of crap that I knew she hadn’t seen in years. There is a lot of stuff I have saved through the years just in case I need it. We moved 4 years ago and I got rid of a bunch junk then and I’m getting of even more now.
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Post by Anna*Banana on Nov 20, 2017 19:07:07 GMT
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Post by beaglemom on Nov 20, 2017 20:20:03 GMT
We are in the process of packing to move to a new home. It was very sudden - we put on offer in on the 9th, it was accepted the 10th, I just got a phone call from our realtor that we have closed and it is ours! They move out the 29th and we have movers scheduled to come pack what we can't the 30th and 1st and move us the 2nd. And of course, we'll be out of town the 21-28th. So we have been madly packing everything we can and trying to do some purging. But at this point, we are out of time. So the plan is that 90% of our stuff will go in boxes into the garage (thankfully it is a 3 car attached. And we will unpack from there. If it doesn't have a home while we are unpacking it gets donated or thrown out. I am really, really looking forward to it!
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Post by mallie on Nov 20, 2017 20:39:52 GMT
When we moved last year, I sold or got rid of so much stuff. I do wish now I had gotten rid of the rest of my collectibles because I just don't have room and don't foresee ever having room again to display them.
My dh has hoarder tendencies and is paying for a storage unit for his crap. If he dies before me, I will get rid of it. If not, then our kids are going to have to deal with it. Nothing I can do about it.
However, I h ave to say that I don't think I need to or should be disposing of my loved stuff now to prepare for death that may not come for 20+ years. Just seems like robbing the present of joy to prevent my kids from having to rent a dumpster and toss (which is most likely what they will do). I figure I spent many many years of my life doing shit for them and they can spend a week (or less) tossing stuff into a dumpster. And I say this as someone who has had to clean out multiple relatives' homes after death -- no fun, but it's hardly worth making, for example, my husband's elderly grandparents get rid of their travel souvenirs before they died.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 20, 2017 23:29:28 GMT
I haven't heard of this as a concept, but am very happy that my dad significantly cleaned out his stuff when he sold the family home a few years ago. My siblings and I listed what we wanted from their house and had no conflicts. The only items I was interested in, my dad took with him to his new home, so I have to wait until he passes to collect. He is 88 and I fully expect him to live another 20 years.
Funny thing is he returned all kid made projects/photos to the family they came from putting the burden on us to dispose of them. One sister created a little gallery in her guest bathroom with her items. After DH saw it, I came home one day to discover he put everything dad gave us on a wall in our guest room. 🤣
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Post by gillyp on Nov 20, 2017 23:30:29 GMT
There's a whole lot of gray area between this "Swedish Death Cleaning" and hoarding. I kind of find this whole thing offensive. I mean, now that we're retired we have to live even more of our life for the kids convenience? lol I don't think sooooooo. I see it totally opposite! The kids may ultimately benefit but I am doing this for my benefit. It’s important to me to get some order in my life before I shuffle off. I wouldn’t dream of suggesting an elderly relative do it mind you.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Nov 21, 2017 1:33:22 GMT
We moved just over a year ago to a smaller house. We purged a lot when we moved, but I realized the other day there are boxes we have still not gone through, so obviously it is stuff we do not need. I am thinking this winter to really start going through boxes and throwing things out. If there is anything worth donating we will do that, but I really doubt it.
I have also started thinking about going through my scrap albums and really only keeping the pages I want and mean something to us.
I have feeling when my Dad dies we will be dealing with way too much stuff. He is a collector. If it is just my sister and me I think it will be fine, but I have a feeling her husband will want to be part of it.
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Post by Anna*Banana on Nov 21, 2017 4:52:15 GMT
There's a whole lot of gray area between this "Swedish Death Cleaning" and hoarding. I kind of find this whole thing offensive. I mean, now that we're retired we have to live even more of our life for the kids convenience? lol I don't think sooooooo. I see it totally opposite! The kids may ultimately benefit but I am doing this for my benefit. It’s important to me to get some order in my life before I shuffle off. I wouldn’t dream of suggesting an elderly relative do it mind you. Your assumption is that if someone has stuff their life is somehow out of order. How strange...
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Post by gillyp on Nov 21, 2017 7:03:44 GMT
I see it totally opposite! The kids may ultimately benefit but I am doing this for my benefit. It’s important to me to get some order in my life before I shuffle off. I wouldn’t dream of suggesting an elderly relative do it mind you. Your assumption is that if someone has stuff their life is somehow out of order. How strange... No where in my post am I referring to anyone other than myself. I am making no assumptions with regard to other people and their life style.
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Post by librarylady on Jul 9, 2023 3:06:52 GMT
PLEASE, especially if you are past 55, PLEASE do some Swedish Death Cleaning!!
My brother's wife died in 2014. She had COPD and was ill for some time before her death. My brother had a woman (or 2) who came once or twice per week and cleaned the house for him. I'm not sure when they quit.
My brother (age 87) died in February. Anyway this is the 3rd day of his 2 children and his 3 sisters trying to clear the house out so that the house can be put on the market. Believe it or not, we have not moved beyond his office!!
Some things we are tossing: Programs and handouts from professional conferences, his report cards from elementary school, newspaper write ups when he received recognition for his work, programs from graduations..........
We are going back tomorrow....silly us, we thought we might have it 99% ready for market tomorrow.
PLEASE give a gift of love to those who should survive you and clear out things you know they won't want when you die. If it is of sentimental value to you, take a photo and then toss it......donate things to the local thrift store and clear out as much as possible before you cross over to whatever comes after death.
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Post by KiwiJo on Jul 9, 2023 5:08:26 GMT
There's a whole lot of gray area between this "Swedish Death Cleaning" and hoarding. I kind of find this whole thing offensive. I mean, now that we're retired we have to live even more of our life for the kids convenience? lol I don't think sooooooo. I suspect DH and I are the opposite to you! Although I definitely agree that there is a whole lot of space between Swedish Death Cleaning and hoarding. Once DH and I were both retired we ruthlessly went through all our stuff, and it was so freeing! I am very definitely not a hoarder, but I got rid of heaps of stuff we had been storing because - well, just because. All sorts of things that had been my Mum and Dad’s for example; things that often I remembered from childhood, but which I really didn’t need. Or particularly want. I had been storing them simply because they were Mum and Dad’s - it felt like I should keep them. But why? It wasn’t at all so that there would be less for the kids to have to go through once we’re gone, but because we really didn’t need all that stuff in our lives. Some things were easy to let go of, others took more time - I made several passes through everything with several weeks in between each one; and each time more and more stuff made it into the “dispose of” piles. Some things I wanted to keep at the beginning, but with each pass I started to ask myself if I really wanted to keep them, and why? And now, quite a number of years later, there is nothin I regret getting rid of. We’ve kept everything that really means something to us, whether it be because it’s sentimental or useful, or whatever. More than likely, the kids will still have things they want to dispose of once we’re dead and they inherit everything, but for now it’s a wonderful balance of things we want in our lives. Everything else - it’s gone! And now, having typed all this out - maybe you and I are very similar, rather than opposites as I first thought. We each want to have the stuff that means something to us, and what the kids will have to deal with doesn’t come in to equation. How much stuff that is, is immaterial isn’t it? It doesn’t matter if we’re maximalist, minimalist, or somewhere in between.
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Post by Why on Jul 9, 2023 7:40:04 GMT
Some things we are tossing: Programs and handouts from professional conferences, his report cards from elementary school, newspaper write ups when he received recognition for his work, programs from graduations.......... As a scrapper I would be so excited to find these items and they would all (or most) find their way into my albums. Different strokes....
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 9, 2023 23:00:21 GMT
My mom is 93 and I hate that we won't have time to grieve because we will be so busy trying to clean out her apartment quickly. I don't even live in the same state and have only so much PTO that I will be able to use when she dies. So when she passes, instead of going home to grieve and visit with family, I will be in her apartment throwing out and getting rid of everything in a span of a few days. I won't do this to my children. We have been following the practice of Swedish Death Cleaning a little at a time. It really is such a lovely way to honor the things that really matter to you. Why hold on to junk that just sits in boxes that you literally never look at? Get rid of that junk and make space in your home that really matter to you.
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Post by busy on Jul 9, 2023 23:19:19 GMT
As a scrapper I would be so excited to find these items and they would all (or most) find their way into my albums. Wouldn't you be more excited to see them when the person was still alive so you could hear and document the stories behind them, and then discard the stuff that wasn't meaningful to either of you?
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Post by Gem Girl on Jul 9, 2023 23:48:15 GMT
I have no problem with "traveling light" through life (in theory; I'm in dire need of a purging). My DH, however, whether out of sentimentality or something else, has a difficult time parting with anything given by anybody. I consider that sweet in terms of his still keeping cards that I made for him, but I wonder about gifts he's been given that he will never use.
For example, he was given a pair of bedroom slippers with a motif of a hobby of his. He has not worn them, and he never will, because he has and wears what he calls "house shoes," a comfortable pair that never sees outdoors and gives him needed arch support. So, I move them every time I vacuum the bedroom. I won't just arbitrarily take exception to them or ask him to put them away (he probably would, if I complained) because I suspect they serve as a reminder that somebody loved him enough to give him a gift that reflected his interests. Now that we have so few family members left, it seems to matter.
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