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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 19, 2017 19:16:11 GMT
I know many of us embraced Marie Kondo's approach of only keeping what brings us joy. This approach takes on decluttering from a slightly different angle. In Swedish, the word is "dostadning" and it refers to the act of slowly and steadily decluttering as the years go by, ideally beginning in your fifties (or at any point in life) and going until the day you kick the bucket. The ultimate purpose of death cleaning is to minimize the amount of stuff, especially meaningless clutter, that you leave behind for others to deal with. A woman by the name of Margareta Magnusson, who says she's between 80 and 100, has written a book titled "The Gentle Art of Swedish Death Cleaning: How to free yourself and your family from a lifetime of clutter."It really makes a lot of sense to me. Don't leave your burdens for someone else to deal with. Clean up your own shit. Leave the memories, not the clutter. Here's a LINK to an article.
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Post by Linda on Nov 19, 2017 19:22:35 GMT
I think it's a wonderful idea - I can't see my (Irish-American) mum ever embracing it. She comes from a long line of women who have left hoards of clutter for their heirs to deal with (I know this because she still owns her mum's, aunt's, and grandmum's stuff as well as her own).
[and it says something that my older two children have been said that they hope I outlive DH because then I'll be stuck dealing with his stuff not them]
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Post by Prenticekid on Nov 19, 2017 19:26:11 GMT
The problem is that the woman in the article, merely in her 50s, got rid of stuff she enjoyed just to accommodate a daughter who should have minded her own business. Her possessions were not burdens until her daughter turned them into burdens. How sad for that mom to be forced into that purge. It would be completely different if the person realized it on their own and did their own death purge. But to do it just to calm down an ungrateful twit of a daughter is just sad.
FWIW, there are people and businesses who will clear out your parents' "burdens" for a portion of the sale price. How about we just let our parents enjoy their stuff or purge it as they see fit.
Signed: a thrift store loving and continually purging daughter of a pack rat mom and a hoarder step father. I know what I'm grabbing when they are gone, then the estate sale auctioneer can have the rest, including the farm, the goats and the chickens. Until then, I will mind my own damn business, as my daughter does hers.
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Post by mom on Nov 19, 2017 19:31:47 GMT
I think its a great idea, and my parents did something similar awhile back. They picked the furniture/art they wanted in their home and then all the rest that had been in storage was given to the kid that wanted it. If no one wanted it, then it was donated. My parents both said it was freeing to them not to be swamped with stuff that meant something to us kids but they had no connection with.
I am meticulous about cleaning out and not keeping crap to just to have stuff. My parents dealing with their stuff made it so much easier when my mom passed and my dad downsized his home.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 19, 2017 19:52:11 GMT
The problem is that the woman in the article, merely in her 50s, got rid of stuff she enjoyed just to accommodate a daughter who should have minded her own business. Her possessions were not burdens until her daughter turned them into burdens. How sad for that mom to be forced into that purge. It would be completely different if the person realized it on their own and did their own death purge. But to do it just to calm down an ungrateful twit of a daughter is just sad. FWIW, there are people and businesses who will clear out your parents' "burdens" for a portion of the sale price. How about we just let our parents enjoy their stuff or purge it as they see fit. Signed: a thrift store loving and continually purging daughter of a pack rat mom and a hoarder step father. I know what I'm grabbing when they are gone, then the estate sale auctioneer can have the rest, including the farm, the goats and the chickens. Until then, I will mind my own damn business, as my daughter does hers. I don't think anyone should be forced into it, but I think there's great peace in choosing to do it. Perhaps that situation was not the best example of it, but surely it doesn't negate the whole concept of choosing to pare down your own items rather than leaving them for someone else to have to deal with.
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Post by oaksong on Nov 19, 2017 20:01:47 GMT
My MIL did this starting in her 70s. At the end she had just the things that meant a lot to her, and things to pass on, not a lot of junk. I hope to do the same for my children. It gave her a lot of peace of mind.
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Post by candygurl on Nov 19, 2017 20:18:13 GMT
My grandparents kind of did this. They went through their stuff and labeled underneath items who was suppose to get what. Made it much easier and they loved knowing who was getting what piece since some items were special to certain kids and grandkids.
I love the idea of the Swedish cleaning.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Nov 19, 2017 20:41:36 GMT
It is a great idea. The amount of hideous crap that we had to get rid of when my MIL died was mind boggling and extremely time consuming. I vowed not to burden my children with a similar task.
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Post by shescrafty on Nov 19, 2017 20:45:22 GMT
I like the idea and think it will be something my DH and I do to give us our own piece of mind. Our place at the beach is small and very specifically decorated. Nothing there is "extra" it is only what we have deliberately chosen. It is so immensely relaxing there because there is no excess.
My mom is a "collector" and I loathe the idea of cleaning out her house. According to her everything is valuable-and she has plastic jewelry from the thrift store mixed in with antique oral pieces. We are going to end up throwing out things that are valuable because there is just too much to go through.
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Post by janeliz on Nov 19, 2017 21:02:47 GMT
It’s something I started thinking about when I entered my 40’s (not that that’s super close to death, i hope). I’m not decluttering like a madwoman on a regular basis yet, but i am more aware of the possessions I’m bringing into my life. I absolutely don’t want to burden my family with a bunch of things when I go.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 21:06:44 GMT
I think it's a brilliant idea, I'm slowly but surely helping (not forcing) my mother to get rid of things she just doesn't need and to shred paperwork that's been in boxes for years. Now, if only I could get the husband on board with ridding himself of meaningless clutter!
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Post by padresfan619 on Nov 19, 2017 21:14:20 GMT
I wish my dad would relent and finally be ok with my mom doing a massive purge of their garage. We try to do it every spring and he freaks out and digs things out of the trash. My parents have a two car garage that can only fit one car. Bless my mom for trying, we’ve started going for the smaller approach and only tossing one or two things at a time.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 19, 2017 21:26:58 GMT
Our place at the beach is small and very specifically decorated. Nothing there is "extra" it is only what we have deliberately chosen. It is so immensely relaxing there because there is no excess. We comment on how nice it is to pare down to only the necessities every time we go on vacation.
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Post by threegirls on Nov 19, 2017 21:37:28 GMT
My sweet mom passed away last month. The other week my brother, sister and myself went through her house and took what we wanted. We each took only a few items because there really wasn't much to take. She started clearing out her house when she was in her late 70s. Just a little at a time and never brought anything new into the house. She and dad had lived in the house for 55 years and she was 87 when she passed. A friend told me that I would find all kinds of treasures in the house like my old "art" projects/papers, cards, notes, etc. Nope. She had cleared everything! The few things that were left were some items that belonged to my dad that she couldn't part with (bridge books/magazines, his computer, two jars of his quince jam ). Most of what is in the house are everyday things (paper napkins, pens, paper, medicines, that sort of stuff), clothing and furniture. We donated the clothing and we are going to hire a company that will come and take all of the furniture and anything else that is left. They will sell it and give us a (small) percentage. I have to say that it was a great gift that she gave us. To have a clutter free house to deal with has made it very simple. Along the same lines but in a financial way - my dad consolidated all of his accounts about three years before he passed. All insurance was with one company, savings/checking was with one company and brokerage accounts (IRA, Individual) were at one company. All of the financial information was easy to find and deal with.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 19, 2017 21:48:58 GMT
My sweet mom passed away last month. Please accept my sympathies. Your parents sounded like wonderful, wise, and caring people.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 19, 2017 22:04:27 GMT
As much as I love that Swedish plan, I believe MIL is determined to stuff her house so full that her children will spend the rest of their lives sorting through it all.
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Post by pridemom on Nov 19, 2017 22:19:30 GMT
My mom died the week before last. She had a two bedroom apartment plus a single car garage. There was so much to sort and weed through that after four days I had to leave it to my sibling who lives in the same city. I took three boxes. One box for me, a box of household stuff for my daughter who moved into her first apartment, and a box of photos and paperwork to settle her accounts. We threw out 15 contractor trash bags and two vanloads to the thrift store, but I still left so much. MIL died six months ago and fil is going through a five bedroom house.
Dh & I vowed to go through our things to save our kids.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 19, 2017 22:28:26 GMT
My mom died the week before last. My condolences to you on your loss.
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 19, 2017 22:32:40 GMT
I like the idea, but I'm so tired all the time my basement will likely be filled with crap when I'm dead. It's also not an easy thing when you have a husband he does not care about getting rid of things and we should keep because "there's room!"
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Post by anniefb on Nov 19, 2017 23:24:14 GMT
I like the idea and guess I've already made a start! I don't have kids and only have one niece - certainly don't want to leave her or my friends with the burden of having to sort everything out.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 19, 2017 23:42:32 GMT
My grandparents kind of did this. They went through their stuff and labeled underneath items who was suppose to get what. Made it much easier and they loved knowing who was getting what piece since some items were special to certain kids and grandkids. I love the idea of the Swedish cleaning. Ugh. Some of my extended family relatives did it and told my mom, and then mom said something to my sister. At some point, my sister went around and wrote her name on the back of all the nice furniture in my mom’s house herself. I think she kind of missed the point. The better way to do it is to have those things specified in a legal will.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 19, 2017 23:43:47 GMT
I’m so sorry for your loss pridemom Hugs—
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Post by gar on Nov 20, 2017 0:04:47 GMT
My MIL has been doing this for the last 5 years or so and I do think it’s a good idea - but she’s 84 and I think 50 something is too early - for me. I don’t want to feel like i’m preparing for that day! I’m still buying stuff I love, acquiring fun things I might not need or want in a few years but who cares? I hope my death is a long way off...I’all revisit the idea in a decade 🙂
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Post by rickmer on Nov 20, 2017 0:07:06 GMT
we just listed a home that the owner had died. he was 50. he was a bit of a hoarder, luckily just clothing, shoes, boxes and papers, his kitchen was pretty much empty other than bottle after bottle of supplements and vitamins.
the next-of-kin is in the states and just wanted us to keep an eye out for a family bible, other than that, they wanted nothing. odd, we never found any photos or albums, i was keeping an eye for them as we would have put them aside as well.
it was a tiny house that took us days and days to clear out. lots went to value village, tons of recycling and we took a couple of things (housewares mostly, laundry detergent, garbage bags, etc) and still two 16 yard dumpsters were disposed of.
it was very sad and i didn't know this man. most days when i got home, i was pretty quiet. i can imagine it would be 1000x harder if its your memories and family items.
i like the idea as i wouldn't want my kids to have to go thru that while still grieving.
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Post by breetheflea on Nov 20, 2017 0:21:14 GMT
I hope my mom finds out about this, I am not looking forward to cleaning her stuff, and more stuff when she dies.
I wish my Grandma in law had done something similar...instead BIL threw everything in a dumpster without asking anyone if they wanted anything. I'm pretty sure that included the photo albums since they haven't been seen since and a notebook where Grandma in law wrote her "life story." Even putting names on the back of stuff would have helped...
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Post by peasapie on Nov 20, 2017 0:53:36 GMT
No I haven't heard of this but I think this lady is my spirit animal. I hated having to sort through all my parents things and decide what to keep, give away, sell. It tore at me and was hard to part with anything.
I always have an eye towards what something will do to my kids one day. For example, someone mentioned having their ashes made into a pottery bowl. My thought - what happens after the people who know you die and your ashes are lying around in some bowl somewhere. Who has to have the thought of throwing great great gramma out. Or who keeps the stack of bowls of their ancestors? But I diverge...
I purge often and give away things to family members that are meaningful to me now, so I'm sure they get them. When I'm gone, they can take what they want from what's left and dump the rest.
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Post by peasapie on Nov 20, 2017 0:56:22 GMT
My grandparents kind of did this. They went through their stuff and labeled underneath items who was suppose to get what. Made it much easier and they loved knowing who was getting what piece since some items were special to certain kids and grandkids. I love the idea of the Swedish cleaning. Ugh. Some of my extended family relatives did it and told my mom, and then mom said something to my sister. At some point, my sister went around and wrote her name on the back of all the nice furniture in my mom’s house herself. I think she kind of missed the point. The better way to do it is to have those things specified in a legal will. This reminds me of the post it war my sister and sister-in-law had before my dad died. Mom had promised one thing to one and something else to another, and after she passed and it was just my dad, they starting putting post it notes on things. Save for suzy. Save for sarah. It became a spitting contest and it was soooo sad for me to see my dad sitting around in a house with a bunch of post it notes from people waiting for him to die.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Nov 20, 2017 1:16:33 GMT
I like the idea and think it will be something my DH and I do to give us our own piece of mind. Our place at the beach is small and very specifically decorated. Nothing there is "extra" it is only what we have deliberately chosen. It is so immensely relaxing there because there is no excess. My mom is a "collector" and I loathe the idea of cleaning out her house. According to her everything is valuable-and she has plastic jewelry from the thrift store mixed in with antique oral pieces. We are going to end up throwing out things that are valuable because there is just too much to go through. I could have written your last line. I have tons of rooms I need to declutter. I think we have 3 chaffing dishes. Do we need the sterling chip and dip bowl? Where will I put all the crystal? Can I get rid of the everyday china and just keep the good stuff? What about all the baskets? Maybe they are gone? I am gradually trying to get rid of things and am hoping that when I inherit everything there won't be tons of stuff left. At the moment there is a ton of stuff that needs to be sorted. I need to get better at this, too!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 20, 2017 3:30:06 GMT
Ugh. Some of my extended family relatives did it and told my mom, and then mom said something to my sister. At some point, my sister went around and wrote her name on the back of all the nice furniture in my mom’s house herself. I think she kind of missed the point. The better way to do it is to have those things specified in a legal will. This reminds me of the post it war my sister and sister-in-law had before my dad died. Mom had promised one thing to one and something else to another, and after she passed and it was just my dad, they starting putting post it notes on things. Save for suzy. Save for sarah. It became a spitting contest and it was soooo sad for me to see my dad sitting around in a house with a bunch of post it notes from people waiting for him to die. I just couldn’t like this post because it made me sad thinking about your dad like that.
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Post by PLurker on Nov 20, 2017 3:32:32 GMT
I like the idea, but I'm so tired all the time my basement will likely be filled with crap when I'm dead. It's also not an easy thing when you have a husband he does not care about getting rid of things and we should keep because "there's room!" I got rid of the husband and can I say it is freeing being able to get rid of other stuff that "we could need/use some day". Not suggesting you do same, I hope you never have to. But it is easier when the decision to keep or go is all up to you. I'm letting kids keep whatever they want and letting go of a lot. I remember back when divorce was no where in sight thinking it would be fun to totally empty the house and start over. More decisively- bringing in stuff sparingly and with intent. It may be a different house but my dream (although altered) may come true.
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