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Post by jstblondie on Nov 26, 2017 6:39:39 GMT
Here is what I received from AliExpress that I ordered on 11/11/27. First came in last Wednesday.
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msliz
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Post by msliz on Nov 26, 2017 13:15:58 GMT
I got a package in the mail yesterday too, and it made me so happy. I just ordered a bunch of brads and buttons. DH asked me why I'm ordering from China, and I explained about the cost difference. It's amazing how much they charge for the same stuff here.
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Post by streetscrapper on Nov 26, 2017 13:20:52 GMT
Was doing a search on Ali last night to see if anything new is up and look what I found!!! Crazy DogsCrazy CatsCrazy BirdsIt looks like they are smaller than the originals, but that price is killer!
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Post by jstblondie on Nov 26, 2017 16:22:40 GMT
Dang it want those. I didn’t need to get Black Friday scrappy deals. Alliexpress is Black Friday year round.
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Post by anniefb on Nov 28, 2017 2:22:32 GMT
I just found some baking stuff that would be useful.
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Post by jstblondie on Nov 29, 2017 2:14:29 GMT
I found a stamp that is identical to a stamp I bought that coordinates with the august hero arts card kit. Ughhh
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Post by jstblondie on Nov 29, 2017 2:15:09 GMT
I got 2 more shipments yesterday. None today.
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Post by pilcas on Nov 30, 2017 11:28:08 GMT
Dang it want those. I didn’t need to get Black Friday scrappy deals. Alliexpress is Black Friday year round. Well put! Aliexpress is definitely Black Friday year round!
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bigelow
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Post by bigelow on Nov 30, 2017 15:28:30 GMT
Was doing a search on Ali last night to see if anything new is up and look what I found!!! Crazy DogsCrazy CatsCrazy BirdsIt looks like they are smaller than the originals, but that price is killer!
Do you dislike Tim Holtz and his ideas and products or something?
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Post by streetscrapper on Nov 30, 2017 15:49:25 GMT
Was doing a search on Ali last night to see if anything new is up and look what I found!!! Crazy DogsCrazy CatsCrazy BirdsIt looks like they are smaller than the originals, but that price is killer!
Do you dislike Tim Holtz and his ideas and products or something?
Not at all. I love Tim Holtz. I'm just not a fan of the price of his original stamps. Judging by your response to my comment, I am assuming that you're not a fan of Ali. Fair enough, but I happen to like the products offered and I am a shopper along with many others here. If you aren't looking for a deal, that's up to you. I posted the links for people that are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 15:52:29 GMT
Do you dislike Tim Holtz and his ideas and products or something?
Not at all. I love Tim Holtz. I'm just not a fan of the price of his original stamps. Judging by your response to my comment, I am assuming that you're not a fan of Ali. Fair enough, but I happen to like the products offered and I am a shopper along with many others here. If you aren't looking for a deal, that's up to you. I posted the links for people that are. These look like a direct copy of TH which is a theft of his IP. I wouldn't buy something that steals his IP w/o him getting paid for it. It's a way to run him out of business in the long run. I love a deal too! I even posted about the great (non-IP) dies on Amazon. But I think buying direct counterfeits of other people's IP is counterproductive in the long run if we want great designs.
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Post by streetscrapper on Nov 30, 2017 16:05:56 GMT
Well then I suppose everyone is different. I paid full price for two of the Tim Holtz stamp sets, but if I had seen them first on Ali, I would have bought them from Ali. There are MANY knock offs/rip offs, whatever you want to call them on Ali, that a lot of people are buying. I understand and support small businesses, but I also feel that most - if not all - scrapbooking items are way overpriced and that is why I choose to buy from Ali.
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Post by bigelow on Nov 30, 2017 16:07:02 GMT
Not at all. I love Tim Holtz. I'm just not a fan of the price of his original stamps. Judging by your response to my comment, I am assuming that you're not a fan of Ali. Fair enough, but I happen to like the products offered and I am a shopper along with many others here. If you aren't looking for a deal, that's up to you. I posted the links for people that are. These look like a direct copy of TH which is a theft of his IP. I wouldn't buy something that steals his IP w/o him getting paid for it. It's a way to run him out of business in the long run. I love a deal too! I even posted about the great (non-IP) dies on Amazon. But I think buying direct counterfeits of other people's IP is counterproductive in the long run if we want great designs. I love a deal as much as the next person, but not at the expense of stealing from them, which is what this is. Not everything on Ali is theft, like the circle dies, etc, but THIS is stealing. Those same stamps, sold at 60%off at Michaels, with a coupon, is a deal. But if you would rather support stealing, then that's your business.
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Post by msliz on Nov 30, 2017 16:22:59 GMT
Not at all. I love Tim Holtz. I'm just not a fan of the price of his original stamps. Judging by your response to my comment, I am assuming that you're not a fan of Ali. Fair enough, but I happen to like the products offered and I am a shopper along with many others here. If you aren't looking for a deal, that's up to you. I posted the links for people that are. These look like a direct copy of TH which is a theft of his IP. I wouldn't buy something that steals his IP w/o him getting paid for it. It's a way to run him out of business in the long run. I love a deal too! I even posted about the great (non-IP) dies on Amazon. But I think buying direct counterfeits of other people's IP is counterproductive in the long run if we want great designs. I get what you're saying, but I have to disagree with your premise to some extent. I'd guess that many of the AliExpress customers who buy the rip off designs, myself included, aren't the same customers who ever bought the designer version. Speaking for myself, the designer versions were always priced out of my budget. Yes, I could afford them, but I didn't want them badly enough, so I spent my money elsewhere. We're talking about a different customer base altogether. I never would have paid to buy the originals (in my case it was some Disney) so my purchase from AliExpress didn't affect their business at all. So, now I can buy some fun stuff. The designs have been around for awhile, the goods are quite often of a lesser quality, and I have to wait sometimes for months for it to arrive, but they're budget friendly and that matters to some of us.
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Post by streetscrapper on Nov 30, 2017 16:39:58 GMT
These look like a direct copy of TH which is a theft of his IP. I wouldn't buy something that steals his IP w/o him getting paid for it. It's a way to run him out of business in the long run. I love a deal too! I even posted about the great (non-IP) dies on Amazon. But I think buying direct counterfeits of other people's IP is counterproductive in the long run if we want great designs. I love a deal as much as the next person, but not at the expense of stealing from them, which is what this is. Not everything on Ali is theft, like the circle dies, etc, but THIS is stealing. Those same stamps, sold at 60%off at Michaels, with a coupon, is a deal. But if you would rather support stealing, then that's your business.
I don't disagree that buying those stamps at Michaels with a 60% off coupon is a deal, and that being said, IF I could buy those stamps at Michaels with a 60% off coupon, chances are I would have. In fact, I CANNOT buy those stamps at Michaels at all, coupon or not, and I paid full price for two of them, including the matching dies, at my LSS, which in Canadian dollars was almost $100. What I am saying is that had I seen those stamps on Ali first, I would have saved $90+ dollars and bought them there. I don't support stealing, but I do support saving $90.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 30, 2017 17:35:05 GMT
Because you cannot afford them is not an excuse to buy stolen goods. You can try to justify it all you like. You are buying stolen goods.
I really want that nice Porsche but it's too expensive. But this stolen one is discounted 75%. I deserve it because I like nice cars. Besides, it's a two year old model so it's not hurting anyone.
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ashwyness
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Post by ashwyness on Nov 30, 2017 17:48:11 GMT
Call me old fashioned, but whatever happened to if you can't afford something, you just don't buy it? Or, you save up for it, or make a budget for it? I'd rather do that then buy the stolen ones.
Just my .02
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Post by msliz on Nov 30, 2017 18:36:57 GMT
I guess I would compare it to buying a knock off wedding dress for a $1000 that was designed to sell for $10,000. There are differences in the quality of materials and the quality of workmanship, I can't brag to my friends that it's a so-and-so original, and the style might be dated by the time the knock off is available. As the consumer, I know I'm not paying for a designer quality dress, but I'm not paying as much. There are trade offs.
Plenty of us have bought knock off Ugg boots for our kids and paid $12 instead of $150. Same thing. I have no issue with that.
Yes, that stamp is Tim Holtz's design. But I would never assume that it's anywhere near the same quality as his stamps. If it's a knock off, it would be wrong for them to indicate that it's an original. Then again, maybe it is original. I've seen Heidi Swapp original merchandise for sale there, new in package.
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Post by comfy on Nov 30, 2017 18:52:46 GMT
I am just taking it all in...the comments...wide camps pros and cons...It makes me upset though when I see something advertised on facebook that gives you the impression that they have the stock to send right away..but find out it is from china but they ad for a high price....that;s when aliexpress imo is great...at a lower price...really how many of the stamps,dies,embellishments are we taking about? would you say it's enough to run a company out of business?....then of course like the others have posted...with coupons..discounted price maybe close to what you get at ali...wonder what was the bottom line price for those items before retail??? the markup can be truly very high... I say if you want something badly you would pay full price.
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Post by streetscrapper on Nov 30, 2017 19:49:08 GMT
I guess I would compare it to buying a knock off wedding dress for a $1000 that was designed to sell for $10,000. There are differences in the quality of materials and the quality of workmanship, I can't brag to my friends that it's a so-and-so original, and the style might be dated by the time the knock off is available. As the consumer, I know I'm not paying for a designer quality dress, but I'm not paying as much. There are trade offs. Plenty of us have bought knock off Ugg boots for our kids and paid $12 instead of $150. Same thing. I have no issue with that. Yes, that stamp is Tim Holtz's design. But I would never assume that it's anywhere near the same quality as his stamps. If it's a knock off, it would be wrong for them to indicate that it's an original. Then again, maybe it is original. I've seen Heidi Swapp original merchandise for sale there, new in package. Exactly. Well said. By the way, I'm not sure why anyone assumed that I wasn't able to "afford" the stamps. I paid full price for two sets, including the matching dies. I can't say I was happy about spending $100 for them, but I wanted them and bought them. What I am saying is that had I seen them on Ali, I would have purchased them there and spent the $90 on other things. If you're not interested in purchasing from Ali, that's your choice. For those of us that are, I actually appreciate links to products like this. In fact, there is a thread here 9 pages deep that does exactly that - gives links to "knock offs", yet somehow these TH stamps has everyone in an uproar.
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Post by onlywork2scrap on Nov 30, 2017 20:33:35 GMT
I think you can flip it around to justify it to yourself. It makes no difference if you can afford it or not. The issue is plagiarism. If I am the designer and the company that pays for the design I would be pissed that someone else is making money with my design. It is certainly your right to spend your money where you choose. I refuse to buy their products.
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Post by msliz on Nov 30, 2017 21:25:30 GMT
... By the way, I'm not sure why anyone assumed that I wasn't able to "afford" the stamps. I paid full price for two sets, including the matching dies. I can't say I was happy about spending $100 for them, but I wanted them and bought them. What I am saying is that had I seen them on Ali, I would have purchased them there and spent the $90 on other things. ... I think that comment was for me because I mentioned I have a scrapping budget.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Nov 30, 2017 22:09:07 GMT
I guess I would compare it to buying a knock off wedding dress for a $1000 that was designed to sell for $10,000. There are differences in the quality of materials and the quality of workmanship, I can't brag to my friends that it's a so-and-so original, and the style might be dated by the time the knock off is available. As the consumer, I know I'm not paying for a designer quality dress, but I'm not paying as much. There are trade offs. Plenty of us have bought knock off Ugg boots for our kids and paid $12 instead of $150. Same thing. I have no issue with that. Yes, that stamp is Tim Holtz's design. But I would never assume that it's anywhere near the same quality as his stamps. If it's a knock off, it would be wrong for them to indicate that it's an original. Then again, maybe it is original. I've seen Heidi Swapp original merchandise for sale there, new in package. Exactly. Well said. By the way, I'm not sure why anyone assumed that I wasn't able to "afford" the stamps. I paid full price for two sets, including the matching dies. I can't say I was happy about spending $100 for them, but I wanted them and bought them. What I am saying is that had I seen them on Ali, I would have purchased them there and spent the $90 on other things. If you're not interested in purchasing from Ali, that's your choice. For those of us that are, I actually appreciate links to products like this. In fact, there is a thread here 9 pages deep that does exactly that - gives links to "knock offs", yet somehow these TH stamps has everyone in an uproar. I'm not in a uproar lol😁
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 30, 2017 22:50:36 GMT
I'm not in an uproar either. Just calling out theft as theft. Rationalizing and excusing doesn't make it not theft.
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Post by lesley on Nov 30, 2017 23:05:33 GMT
I think calling it theft is not necessarily fair. Not everyone who buys these particular stamps would necessarily know that they had been ripped off from Tim Holtz, or anyone else for that matter. If I was buying a gift for a friend who was into e.g. cross-stitch, I wouldn't have a clue whether a particular pattern was copied from a known designer, or just made up by the company selling it. I'm not saying that ignorance is always an excuse, but if I saw a cross-stitch I liked, I don't think I would spend half an hour doing due diligence on it. If it was half or quarter of the price I would expect to pay from a local store, I would think that that's what happens when you go direct to the manufacturer.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Nov 30, 2017 23:10:20 GMT
I think calling it theft is not necessarily fair. Not everyone who buys these particular stamps would necessarily know that they had been ripped off from Tim Holtz, or anyone else for that matter. If I was buying a gift for a friend who was into e.g. cross-stitch, I wouldn't have a clue whether a particular pattern was copied from a known designer, or just made up by the company selling it. I'm not saying that ignorance is always an excuse, but if I saw a cross-stitch I liked, I don't think I would spend half an hour doing due diligence on it. If it was half or quarter of the price I would expect to pay from a local store, I would think that that's what happens when you go direct to the manufacturer. As I said on another thread I just bought a Christmas die from AE paid a few dollars for it after the fact I see on another thread it was a knock off of the branded die. I'm not going to research every die or stamp etc on AE.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Nov 30, 2017 23:23:37 GMT
We all know Ali Express sells counterfeit designs. It's not new information. It's been discussed before here and in a thread on NSBR that is currently active. Tim Holtz's designs (especially the birds/cats/dogs) are very well known. I get it, nobody wants be be seen as benefiting from a crime. That doesn't change the facts as unpalatable as that may be. It's theft of intellectual property and it does hurt those that design, produce, market, and warehouse those products.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Nov 30, 2017 23:29:36 GMT
We all know Ali Express sells counterfeit designs. It's not new information. It's been discussed before here and in a thread on NSBR that is currently active. Tim Holtz's designs (especially the birds/cats/dogs) are very well known. I get it, nobody wants be be seen as benefiting from a crime. That doesn't change the facts as unpalatable as that may be. It's theft of intellectual property and it does hurt those that design, produce, market, and warehouse those products. Are you reading the posts from those who like myself ordered a die that wasn't a TH/LF/Sizzix knock off die but some brand I've never heard off. I didn't realize it was a brand knockoff. Call me a thief but I didn't buy the damned die thinking hey screw you die company I got it cheaper on AE!!
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Post by dasmith2 on Dec 1, 2017 0:27:51 GMT
We all know Ali Express sells counterfeit designs. It's not new information. It's been discussed before here and in a thread on NSBR that is currently active. Tim Holtz's designs (especially the birds/cats/dogs) are very well known. I get it, nobody wants be be seen as benefiting from a crime. That doesn't change the facts as unpalatable as that may be. It's theft of intellectual property and it does hurt those that design, produce, market, and warehouse those products. No we don't all know they sold counterfeits, at least I didn't UNTIL I saw it here. I thought maybe they were seconds or something like tj max and those places do. I also didn't know that the birds,dogs and cats were TH until I saw it here.
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Post by erica8 on Dec 5, 2017 14:22:25 GMT
Here is what I don't get...when people say something is "overpriced". Do you realize how many people are being paid by that product? MFT for example. I always see lots of pics of employees. I hope they make a great wage, and if they do...I am happy to pay it. These small companies for the most part don't have huge fat cat CEO's driving the price up. So when they have their designs that they created "ripped off" and sold for pennies, it's just wrong. If you worked your ass off on something and then someone turned around copied it in two minutes and started making money off it, would you still agree well hey they did it cheaper? Of course they did.
Also you should read about how we subsidize their postal system. Ever wonder why you can buy a $1.00 item with FREE shipping? It's gross. I used to purchase on AE until I did a little research.
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