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Post by lemonella on Dec 8, 2017 18:34:28 GMT
I have a manual die cutting machine but it might be nice to use some of the lovely cut files I see online. I see the Silhouette Cameo mentioned a lot - is this "the one" most people like and use? Are there other models within the Silhouette family? I have a couple of friends with Cricut machines but I seem to see Silhouette mentioned more online. So, do you have an electric die cutting machine - which one and do you like it? Just looking for some information on real people's use and experience! TIA!
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Post by wendifful on Dec 8, 2017 23:46:57 GMT
I have a Silhouette Cameo (version 1). I've had it for probably 5 or 6 years. For me, it's the right machine. I used to work at a craft store, so I'd get asked all the time whether the Cricut or Silhouette was better. Here are some of the main pros/cons.
Cricut's main advantage is that it has a greater cutting force, so it can cut through thicker materials. If that is something you think you'll be doing, I would go with the Cricut. The main downside to the Cricut is the software. It is widely known to be very frustrating to work with. It can ONLY be used online, so you have to have an internet connection to use it. (Also, if it's a busy time of year, like Christmas, if there are too many people using the software, it can slow it down for everyone). It is also hard to make and manipulate your own designs. If you plan to mainly use the Cricut designs without a lot of changes, the program won't be as frustrating, but if you plan to make your own designs, the Silhouette software is much easier to work with.
The Silhouette, as mentioned above, has superior software. It can still cut all the normal materials like vinyl, paper, iron on and more, just not super thick materials. It also does a better job of print and cut than Cricut does because you can print at a higher DPI on a larger surface.
I personally have a Silhouette Cameo and love it. You are correct that most people entering the die-cutting world get a Cricut, but the Silhouette is more talked about online. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. What I would suggest doing is downloading the software for the Silhouette and playing around with it (it is free) and also trying to use the Cricut design program. This will give you a feel for how the software works. Also, look at the designs offered by each company. Cricut designs are proprietary to Cricut and Silhouette to Silhouette, so if one design aesthetic appeals to you more, go with that one. (There are third party companies that sell generic cut files that can work with either machine too.) Also, watch YouTube videos on the machines. You can watch Ken's Kreations on YouTube. He actually prefers the Cricut but I still think he has very detailed reviews of both machines.
(I will also say that with whichever machine you get, your best friend is going to be YouTube. If you can't figure out how to do something, search for it on YouTube and usually there is a solution.)
Within the Silhouette family, the Cameo (now on version 3) is the machine that can use 12x12 paper. The Portrait machine is just like the Cameo except it takes 8.5x11 paper and smaller. The Curio is a companion machine to the Cameo/Portrait and does a lot of specialized functions like embossing and stippling and will cut thicker materials. I would personally not recommend the Curio as a standalone machine unless all you want is its special features. If you want a cutting machine from Silhouette, go with the Cameo or Portrait.
There are also a lot of ladies here who are more knowledgeable than me on this topic so hopefully they'll chime in. I don't have any firsthand Cricut knowledge, just what I know from researching the machine, so they may have more to add.
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Post by queenbeeof3 on Dec 9, 2017 3:13:19 GMT
I have a 10 year old Cricut and a Silhouette 3. I have a question about layers. The Cricut allows you to cut layers by creating a new layer and hide other layers. Unless I am missing something here, the Silhouette requires you to move elements off the mat in order to avoid cutting things that you want cut in a different color of paper. I find this to be very inconvenient. I do however like the Silhouette for being able to cut the many png files that I own.
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Post by moraie on Dec 9, 2017 3:46:28 GMT
I have a 10 year old Cricut and a Silhouette 3. I have a question about layers. The Cricut allows you to cut layers by creating a new layer and hide other layers. Unless I am missing something here, the Silhouette requires you to move elements off the mat in order to avoid cutting things that you want cut in a different color of paper. I find this to be very inconvenient. I do however like the Silhouette for being able to cut the many png files that I own. You don't have to move layers off the mat. Every line can be made to cut or not-cut. You ungroup your image, highlight the layer/image you don't want cut, go to Cut Settings and choose "no cut".
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Post by lemonella on Dec 9, 2017 6:43:27 GMT
Thank you wendifful for your lengthy reply about the pros and cons. I am usually pretty good with a computer, but that means bad software will probably frustrate me with the Cricut. The software being slow and needing to be online is also a disadvantage to me. I will do what you suggested and play around with the Silhouette software. I think I'll ask a friend if I can try using her Cricut too to compare.
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Post by JaneB on Dec 9, 2017 7:06:02 GMT
Silhouette software does have layer functionality, but only in the paid for upgrades to Designer and Business Editions. I upgraed to Designer, then eventually Business because I want all the options. There's a comparison chart that's useful for seeing what each version does.
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Post by elegantsufficiency on Dec 9, 2017 9:35:32 GMT
I have no experience of the Cricut but love love love my Cameo. I started with a Craft Robo, upgraded to a Silhouette and most recently the Cameo, so I guess you could say I'm happy with the machine. I find the software to be powerful and surprisingly straightforward, though upgraded to the Designer Edition with a teacher discount (I had to send evidence of my teacher status) which gave me a few additional features. I wouldn't say I'm a power user but I wouldn't be without it and so far, it's done everything I ask of it....except work quietly <g> wendifful thank you for that excellent summary! Fascinating reading.
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Post by Patter on Dec 9, 2017 11:05:39 GMT
I have a two-year old Silhouette Portrait that has been used maybe 3x. I have discovered I do not like electronic machines at all. I am a manual machine girl. I need to get rid of mine because it is just a dust collector in my room.
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Post by streetscrapper on Dec 9, 2017 12:48:50 GMT
My first electronic die cutting machine was a Cricut, commonly referred to as the baby bug. I hated it. At that time you could only use cartridges with it, and they were expensive. Then SCAL came along and low and behold suddenly I started to use the baby bug, but still, it seemed to be lacking. I upgraded to a Silhouette SD and within 6 months the first Cameo was released. I sold the SD, bought the first Cameo, upgraded to the Cameo 3 earlier this year and have never looked back. I have the Designer Edition, which seems to be all I need (although I'm not really sure what the business edition offers). I use my Cameo for everything, card making, scrapbooking, clothing, home decor. It is a work horse in my craft room!
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Post by LisaDV on Dec 9, 2017 14:11:20 GMT
I had the silhouette portrait. My dh upgraded me a few Christmas back to the cameo. I used it all the time. I could barely make a page without it. I do have designer edition.
Then I started having issues with it. I wondered if my upgrade to windows 10 had any relevance. I couldn't get the issues fixed even with silhouette's help. I decided to upgrade to the Cameo3, thinking it was my machine that had the issue. I thought/think that fixed the issues. But I've had lots of issues with this new edition. I currently have to go calibrate it for print and cut, because all of my print and cuts were off by 1/4". It's not hard, just a pain. After upgrading I learned of lots of others with issues after upgrading to windows 10, and it doesn't sound like they've worked the bugs for the windows10 interface out yet either.
I find that I'm using it less and less due to my issues. Here are a few of my issues: - The print and cut feature is not calibrated correctly. - I find that it takes me much longer to get the right cut settings set up on this machine. - If I had my cut settings set up from a previous session and come back, the first cut never seems to work. - The machine gets "off track" frequently. You turn off the power and move the blade housing back and forth between 3-6 full times to get it back on track. It's not hard, but again, it's a PIA when you're trying to cut and I've had to do this at least every other cutting session.
Those are the ones I can think of right off the top of my head.
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Post by elegantsufficiency on Dec 9, 2017 14:41:21 GMT
But I've had lots of issues with this new edition. LisaDV I think I'd be throwing my machine across the room by now! You must have oodles of patience. I'm running Win10 too and I haven't had any major issues. I did have a print and cut one though, when I tried to copy and paste something within the software and it wouldn't copy it accurately. I used the chatline to talk to someone from Silhouette about it and though she investigated, she couldn't find a solution and has referred the issue to their tech dept. I found a workaround for the project and ultimately it didn't matter, but I wonder if it's another bug for your list? Maybe next time you experience problems, it might be worth chatting to someone online about it - with the aid of screenshots and so on, I found them to be very helpful and the woman I "spoke" to seemed genuinely interested in resolving my problem.
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Post by scrapnnana on Dec 9, 2017 18:48:44 GMT
I have both a Silhouette Cameo and a Cricut Explore Air 2. I also have a Cricut Expression, which can use cartrdiges and does not require the internet. Mostly I kept it as a back up because I have over 100 cartrdiges. I also have thousands of Silhouette designs.
Both are very capable machines.
I use the Silhouette 95% of the time, mainly because I prefer the software, and I rarely need to cut any heavier materials. I use it for scrapbooking, print and cut, stamped images that I cut with the PixScan mat, and vinyl. I use the Cricut when I want to cut leather, which is the main reason I bought it. I also use it if I want to cut proprietary designs such as Disney. The Cricut software is pathetic compared to the Silhouette software, but it can do most things. I found it easier to figure out how to create or alter things in the Silhouette software on my own than with the Cricut Design Space software. The Cricut software is not like other graphic software I have used. I had to research online recently to figure out how to avoid cutting shapes that would NOT ungroup for deletion, or hiding. I wasted some heat transfer vinyl just to cut a small part of the group that needed to be cut. I did eventually find info so I know how to hide unwanted parts from cutting next time, but I am pretty adept at using Adobe Illustrator and Adobe Photoshop, and I could not figure out how to do what I wanted with Cricut software. Silhouette software has been easy for me to figure out most things without having to hunt up tutorials because it is similar to other softwares I've used. If you have never used other graphics software, then Cricut Design Space would probably be easier to learn with a few YouTube tutorials. I just find it clunky and frustrating. It may be just what I am used to.
However, the Cricut Explore is an excellent machine. My only gripe is the software.
I love the Cameo. It is also an excellent machine. If I could have cut leather with it, I would not have bought the Explore. I would have been content with just the Cameo.
If the Explore had software that is as good as the Silhouette's software, I would never need anything but the Explore.
Another factor is the designs. If you have the ability and desire to create your own, I definitely recommend the Cameo, because the software is so much more capable for creating and cutting your own designs. I also have liked many of the designs they offer for purchase. I can find nice designs on the Cricut site, too, but overall, I prefer Silhouette designs. Lately, though, I have been less pleased with what I am seeing in the way of new designs from Silhouette designers. If you check out their store, check out categories, not just designs that have been uploaded recently.
You can get free designs online, but if you want to use SVG designs, you need the Designer Edition of Silhouette software (a one time purchase). Cricut Design Space will import and cut them without costing you extra, no upgrade or subscription required.
I don't know if any of this has helped, or just made it more confusing.
Both machines are very capable. Cricut focuses more in getting you to buy their designs. Their software is clunkly, online, often slow when lots of users are all online using it, and not very intuitive IMO. The machine itself is excellent and capable of more than the Cameo, so it depends on what think you will want to cut.
Silhouette appeals to both those who want to design their own cutting files and those who prefer to buy designs. It cuts most things that scrapbookers want to cut, as well as a lot of materials crafters use, but it will not cut thicker materials. Their support is very good, better than Cricut's IMO.
I have Windows 10, but I am currently using version 3.6.57 of the Silhouette software. I have had no problems with the software until recently. It seems to crash often lately if I try to browse designs too quickly. I will be updating it after Christmas, because I bought the Business edition of the software. I am hoping that I do not have problems with it after updating. I have no trouble with print and cut, or with cutting stamped images. I do NOT have to keep recalibrating it as another user mentioned. I am wondering if the issues reported are with the newest version of the software. I don't update till they get the bugs worked out, and I drag my feet even longer.
Both are good machines. Think about what you want to do most with it. Check out the designs from both Silhouette and Cricut/Provo Craft. Check them out thoroughly by doing a category search. And since both softwares are free, definitely play around with both of them to see how you like the software. Just use the Cricut software at a busy time, so you can see if the online issues drive you nuts.
HTH
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 8:10:44 GMT
I have both machines. First I wanted to talk about the Silhouette Cameo printer issue. There is a glitch in Windows with printer/plotter communication. For some reason it really effects the Cameo/Graphtec machines. I discovered it several years back. I am a member of Window's Developer's site. I did a detail report of the bug and even tried to write a new code to debug it. That baby is stuck in there apparently since this has been going on since Windows Vista. I know Windows is very aware of it. For some reason nobody can get that dang bug out. They even tried to patch it and it still didn't work. I can tell Silhouette is trying to work around that bug. There is only so much they can do. This isn't really Silhouette's fault. It doesn't effect the Cricut machines as bad since they went with bleed effect. It is still there. I did test it when I got the Explore. I think the only way to get this bug out is for Windows to rewrite their Operating System ground up. I don't think that is happening anytime soon. Trust me on this I have Fall Edition and was coding with the upgraded DOS the other day, lol. I am sorry everyone to be the bearer of bad news. It is just the weirdest glitch. It can effect others but not some. I have had perfect cutting results from certain computers and then all those issues you were writing about with others. Trust me I understand about the frustration. I have noticed the 4.0 software there is a printer issue and that is on Cameo's side. They really need to get that fix. That one is definitely their fault. Cameo/Cricut contest. Everyone has their preferred winner. I prefer the Cameo. I have a design/art background. I need a plotter that works with several different operating systems. I need a cutter that is offline. I do have excellent Internet. I have Internet speeds for gaming. I have experienced lag with Design Space. Working with a cutter you really don't want lag when it's trying to communicate because a drop will mess up your design. I do think that ProvoCraft does have excellent network speeds. I will give them that. Things go out all the time. If you like pre-made designs. Don't really want to do any designing or major editing then the Cricut Explore is a great machine. It is very simple & quick. If you like to design and have complete control of your files, even if you bought them from Silhouette, then the Cameo is a better choice. Cricut handles heavier material better. I used my Cricut to cut Printmaking paper the other day with incredible ease. The Cameo also did too but I had a few rough spots. I use a lot of art paper in my creations. That is why I love my Cricut for ease of cutting with heavy materials. I also have a soft spot for my cartridges I bought over the years, lol. I still use them. My Cameo I use for my own designs and to make stickers. Cameo you can make stickers at a professional level. Cameo starts at 600dpi then goes up. Cricut is limited in canvas size due to browser limitations and only 300dpi. I do a lot of printables, especially of my own art. The Cameo print is a must for me. I think this is important too to mention no offset functionality with Cricut Design Space. Silhouette came has a powerful offset/inset function, even in their basic software. If making mats for your cuts are important then the Cameo is probably better. You can make offsets with Cricut but you will have to use a different software and jump through some hoops to do it. It can be done. That is off the top of my head why I love my machines. Cricut- heavier materials, use of my own cartridges. Cameo- Print & Cut, Complete control of my designs and able to use different software programs with the machine. If you have any questions don't be afraid to ask.
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Post by elegantsufficiency on Dec 10, 2017 17:38:35 GMT
@amayalylac how lovely it would have been to have you at my side when I was struggling to get that software to play nicely. I couldn't understand what was going on with that print and cut thing - I've forgotten the details now, but at the time, it was so weird. I sent screenshots and stuff to Silhouette via their tech chat and they had the same issue...so frustrating all round! You chaps that figure out all those software issues are amazing. How you have the patience, the tenacity and the sheer brainpower to work it all out is amazing and I salute you!! We take so much for granted when we turn on our machines, yet without your skills and expertise, we'd be lost. Thanks! (and yes, I'll keep your details close to hand when my Cameo misbehaves!, thank you <g>)
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 10, 2017 18:37:52 GMT
I've only had Silhouette products--first the original and then the Cameo. I love this thing! It's cutting out some window decals right now! I'm still using my Cameo and it's a workhorse. I did upgrade to the Designer Edition, which makes tracing, SVG file conversion, and so much more a lot easier. It was well worth the $25.
I use it a lot--several times a week. I do a lot of set work for a theatre and it gets used a lot for that. The fact that I can cut 12" high (or wide) and 10 ft long is a huge bonus. But I also use it a lot for personal use-tee decals, labels, window decals, scrapbooking, card making... you name it.
One feature that I do use a lot is the Trace feature. I'll find clip art or a design online and recreate it in my Silhouette. I do use print and cut a lot, but I have a Mac (and don't use Windows to run my Cameo) and it all seems to be fine there. The best feature of a digital cutter is that you can make anything whatever size you want. That is a huge bonus for me.
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Post by maryboys on Dec 10, 2017 18:54:49 GMT
I have a never used original Silhouette Cameo Bundle for sale on the FSOT board if you are interested
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Post by Scrapper100 on Dec 10, 2017 19:49:54 GMT
I have a Cricut and love it. I had the original Silhouette and it was loud and the software was horrible you had to work upside down and backward - stuff at the bottom cut at the top and stuff on the left cut on the right it was just too confusing.I went round and round with them trying to get the correct software to work on my machine and finally gave up. They have since sold to another company but it left such a bad taste in my mouth that I couldn't bring myself to buy from the new company. I did like that at the time it was the machine that allowed you to cut any font. I think most people that have the newer machines do really like them.
I have the new Air 2 and really like it and find it easy to use. I still have my older Expression as well and have a lot of carts to use with it. With the newer machine I can do stuff on-line and use svg files that are free or purchased as well as any font. The downside of the Cricut is you need to have an internet connection to use the newer versions and I don't think you have to be on-line to use a Silhouette. I use my Cricut to cut paper, glitter paper, vinyl, and iron ons. I know it can cut other materials but I haven't tried them yet. I'm to the point of just wanting something that is easy to use.
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Post by lemonella on Dec 11, 2017 17:00:09 GMT
Thanks so much everyone for your input! It sounds like both are good machines, but the SW for the Cricut is a pain. I would like to be able to easily design my own items and am fairly proficient with graphic design software so this may be the tipping point for me. I have a Mac so I would guess the Windows bug @amayalylac brought up would not affect me?
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Post by scrapnnana on Dec 11, 2017 17:52:47 GMT
If you are interested in designing your own cutting files, the Silhouette software is far superior to Cricut's. Also, if you are familiar with other graphic software, the Cricut software will probably be incredibly aggravating.
I have a PC, but I would also assume that the software conflict with Windows would not be an issue on a MAC. However, I have not had those issues on my PC. I have done minimal print and cut. I mostly use the print and cut feature of the Silhouette software for cutting out stamped images with a PixScan mat. Perhaps that is what makes the difference. I think I used my PixScan mat for my regular print and cut, too.
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Post by anniefb on Dec 11, 2017 18:52:32 GMT
Thanks so much everyone for your input! It sounds like both are good machines, but the SW for the Cricut is a pain. I would like to be able to easily design my own items and am fairly proficient with graphic design software so this may be the tipping point for me. I have a Mac so I would guess the Windows bug @amayalylac brought up would not affect me? I have a Mac lemonella and have had no issues with print and cut.
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Post by lemonella on Dec 12, 2017 19:21:24 GMT
Thanks so much everyone for your input! It sounds like both are good machines, but the SW for the Cricut is a pain. I would like to be able to easily design my own items and am fairly proficient with graphic design software so this may be the tipping point for me. I have a Mac so I would guess the Windows bug @amayalylac brought up would not affect me? I have a Mac lemonella and have had no issues with print and cut. Thanks for the confirmation.
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Post by coloradocropper on Dec 12, 2017 20:49:52 GMT
I am frugal but I will say that if my Cameo died, I'd be in my car in a hot second off to buy another without a second thought.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 8:36:09 GMT
Thanks so much everyone for your input! It sounds like both are good machines, but the SW for the Cricut is a pain. I would like to be able to easily design my own items and am fairly proficient with graphic design software so this may be the tipping point for me. I have a Mac so I would guess the Windows bug @amayalylac brought up would not affect me? No, it won't effect you. So no worries.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 14, 2017 15:26:08 GMT
Costco has a Cameo 3 bundle on sale right now for $199 HERE it’s $70 off only through the 15th and comes with a bunch of extra stuff.
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