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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 15:29:40 GMT
I feel sorry for you that you truly lack the ability to have a discussion, disagreement and/or debate with someone without insulting them. You just can't do it. I see which choice you attributed her comments to. And you are wrong. I don't think so. I've seen you in action too many times to think otherwise, both directed at me and others. Anyone that lashes out with a "FU" or "F Off" (whichever one it was you said to me) is incapable of a conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 16:51:33 GMT
"Gillibrand is functioning as a surrogate for Trump’s accusers here, but the attack would be familiar to many women who have resisted advances from men with power over them. She wanted me, but I turned her down is a message men often spread in order to humiliate and denigrate the women who aren’t willing to submit to them, knowing that there are few surer ways to harm a woman’s career than to paint her as attempting to use her sexuality to get ahead. There’s another closely related message here, too, an important one for Trump: I could have nailed her. This is a longstanding pattern with him, to make public proclamations about the women he either did or could have had sex with. It’s the mark of a desperately insecure man, and it’s something he has been doing for decades. As a real estate developer in New York and a fixture in the gossip pages, Trump would call up journalists pretending to be his own PR agent, going by the name “John Barron” or “John Miller,” regaling them with tales of all the beautiful and famous women who supposedly were desperate to date him. When he dumped his second wife, he spread a false rumor that he was dating model Carla Bruni. Bruni says that not only did they not date, she only met him once, at a charity event. “Trump is obviously a lunatic,” she said.... That was a key aspect of his response to the many women who accused him of various forms of sexual harassment: Not only are they liars, but the proof is that they’re too ugly for me to abuse. “Believe me, she would not be my first choice, that I can tell you,” he said about a woman who charged that he groped her on an airline flight, the assumption being that it’s his right to choose which women he’s going to assault. “When you looked at that horrible woman last night, you said, ‘I don’t think so.'” About another woman who accused him of sexual assault, he said, “Check out her Facebook, you’ll understand,” to the laughs of the crowd. " www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/12/12/trumps-disgusting-kirsten-gillibrand-tweet-is-just-the-beginning-of-the-metoo-backlash/
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Dec 15, 2017 17:00:08 GMT
Yep—sure as the sun rises you won’t see her calling out the vulgarity of her golden boy. "He" is not my golden boy. He has been inappropriate. Now what? Perhaps stop defending him?
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Dec 15, 2017 17:15:25 GMT
Apparently the breakdown was along religious lines, too. The vast majority of evangelical white women voted for Moore, but the vast majority of non-evangelical white women voted for Jones. Don’t tell me certain Christian religious groups aren’t teaching women to subvert themselves in the name of “godliness.”Ultimately, though, the credit goes to black women. Without their strong turnout and votes for Jones, Moore would be going to the senate for sure. Trying to remember if I have ever been told to subvert. If so, I wasn't listening. My family valued strong women. I do remember being told often that a man should treat his wife like Jesus treated the church. If a man treated me like that, there wouldn't ever be a problem. It would be easy to submit to a man who made sure that I always treated like the most important thing in his life. I wouldn't ever have to submit because my feelings would come first. Yes! You get it!!! I think that submission is one of the most taken out of context things in the Bible. Wives submitting to their husbands is only half of it!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 17:23:03 GMT
Sorry, I find the word "submit" disgusting in any context.
I refuse to "submit" to another and do not want anyone to "submit" to me.
It literally means "to put under".
No.
I will do my best for myself and others - starting w/those I love and moving out from there. I will hope that those who love me do their best for me.
That is enough for me.
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Post by Merge on Dec 15, 2017 17:41:23 GMT
And then there are all of us who don’t consider the Bible anything more than an interesting historical piece of literature. Why should we be subject to the laws, judgments and behaviors of those who think that women should be submissive to men?
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Dec 15, 2017 18:18:36 GMT
And then there are all of us who don’t consider the Bible anything than an interesting historical piece of literature. Why should we be subject to the laws, judgments and behaviors of those who think that women should be submissive to men? You shouldn't be - none of us should be! And frankly, those judgments and behaviors are NOT representative of what the vast majority of Christians believe. They are taking three verses from the Bible and ignoring the ten verses before and after. I've been a Christian all my life and have never once been taught that I needed to submit to my husband. Love and respect him, of course! As he does me! But to submit to him in an unhealthy way? No freaking way. My parents are one of the closest couples I've ever known, very strong in their beliefs and active in their church. And they are very much equals. Ran a business together for 40 years, and he will tell anyone who asks that he could never have done it without her - and vice versa. They involve each other in nearly every aspect of their lives (in a good way). Over the past few years they've spent tens of thousands of dollars helping my sister get out from under a controlling and emotionally abusive husband. I'm not saying this to sound braggy - just to try to show a different side to Christianity, one that hopefully makes a heck of a lot more sense. Trust me, it baffles me as much as it does you, why these people are so powerful right now. The Christ I follow teaches the exact opposite - inclusion, grace, love and respect for ALL people. It's just common sense to me, whether one Believes or not. I know I'm a broken record, but it's so disheartening to me to see this all happening. I will never lose my Faith, nor my love for and belief in my denomination, but I can sure as heck understand why folks are put off by what these people are doing in the "name of religion". I know I certainly am! Somebody on one of these threads said to view them as radicals, and I'm starting to believe that too.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 15, 2017 19:39:12 GMT
I see which choice you attributed her comments to. And you are wrong. I don't think so. I've seen you in action too many times to think otherwise, both directed at me and others. Anyone that lashes out with a "FU" or "F Off" (whichever one it was you said to me) is incapable of a conversation. Yeah...still wrong. You can “think” what you want, but that still doesn’t make it true. I’ve have many more great conversations here. But of course you wouldn’t look for those.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 19:59:46 GMT
I don't think so. I've seen you in action too many times to think otherwise, both directed at me and others. Anyone that lashes out with a "FU" or "F Off" (whichever one it was you said to me) is incapable of a conversation. Yeah...still wrong. You can “think” what you want, but that still doesn’t make it true. I’ve have many more great conversations here. But of course you wouldn’t look for those. Ya know, I "think" I might agree with you to a point. Your "great" conversations here are with those you agree with. You use "F" you, "F" off, "liar," "dumb as a rock" and a bunch of other insults with those you don't like or agree with, in addition to accusing them of being someone they say they're not, accuse them of deflecting without explaining, etc. You've already insulted the same member twice here in your past few posts. I could go and look for other examples, but you already know what you say and how you treat people.
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Post by anonrefugee on Dec 15, 2017 20:04:50 GMT
"It’s the mark of a desperately insecure man..."
Isn't it amazing how often this applies to this guy, and in multiple settings?
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casii
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Post by casii on Dec 15, 2017 20:14:46 GMT
I know I'm a broken record, but it's so disheartening to me to see this all happening. I will never lose my Faith, nor my love for and belief in my denomination, but I can sure as heck understand why folks are put off by what these people are doing in the "name of religion". I know I certainly am! Somebody on one of these threads said to view them as radicals, and I'm starting to believe that too. Do you mind if I ask what denomination your belong to? Because I was raised in a church that very much taught that women were to be submissive. Not only to husbands, but basically men. It was Church of Christ. I remember being 8 and one service they let all the little boys lead a worship song, but no little girls because girls were to be silent. Women weren't even allowed to teach co-ed Sunday school classes past grade school. Then once the idiot boys started popping our bra straps, I don't know how, but I decided that boys weren't inherently better than the girls and decided while I liked Jesus, I wasn't going to have a bunch of immature boys being put on a pedestal over me. So, once I was an adult, I sought out churches that were red-letter teaching rather than Old Testament overreaching. Funny how so much of my family now believes I'm going straight to hell and Trump was sent from God. Oy!
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Post by scrappinmama on Dec 15, 2017 20:26:11 GMT
I was raised a Catholic, but I'm a Methodist now. We are never told to be submissive to our husbands. We are told that couples should respect each other, but not be submissive.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 15, 2017 20:33:14 GMT
Congregationalist. NO submissiveness!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 15, 2017 23:44:50 GMT
Yeah...still wrong. You can “think” what you want, but that still doesn’t make it true. I’ve have many more great conversations here. But of course you wouldn’t look for those. Ya know, I "think" I might agree with you to a point. Your "great" conversations here are with those you agree with. You use "F" you, "F" off, "liar," "dumb as a rock" and a bunch of other insults with those you don't like or agree with, in addition to accusing them of being someone they say they're not, accuse them of deflecting without explaining, etc. You've already insulted the same member twice here in your past few posts. I could go and look for other examples, but you already know what you say and how you treat people. Wrong again. And context on the posts I’ve made here would help. YOU assumed I said she was dumb as a rock. I did not, it was an either/or—she got to choose, based on the context of the discussion. It’s not wrong to call on those who deflect from the conversation. But I guess if you’re the one deflecting you’re not going to agree. And telling someone to “f” off, once, maybe twice in my lifetime in peadom isn’t a crime. I’m thinking you likely deserved it. (ETA: yep, you deserved it—you were being sanctimonious, deflecting, and once again per your usual MO attacking liberals on that particular thread. I stand by my post.) and it doesn’t make me any more insulting, vile, or uncivil as you have , I just used different words. You’ve insulted and attacked me and other liberals, posted outright lies, but I guess that’s okay, right?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 15, 2017 23:45:25 GMT
I was raised a Catholic, but I'm a Methodist now. We are never told to be submissive to our husbands. We are told that couples should respect each other, but not be submissive. Same here.
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Post by sunraynnc on Dec 16, 2017 0:04:02 GMT
Did your vulgarity erase his perceived innuendo? I love how Trump supporters hold random strangers on the internet to a higher standard than the President himself. "Grab 'em by the pussy" = still gets your vote and support. " He is a fucking pig"- handslap for "vulgarity" FUCKING HILARIOUS. The "grab 'em" comment and f word are both vulgar comments. No one gets a pass.
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Post by sunraynnc on Dec 16, 2017 0:07:37 GMT
"He" is not my golden boy. He has been inappropriate. Now what? Perhaps stop defending him? I'm not defending him. He has been inappropriate, as has papercrafteradvocate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 0:48:11 GMT
Ya know, I "think" I might agree with you to a point. Your "great" conversations here are with those you agree with. You use "F" you, "F" off, "liar," "dumb as a rock" and a bunch of other insults with those you don't like or agree with, in addition to accusing them of being someone they say they're not, accuse them of deflecting without explaining, etc. You've already insulted the same member twice here in your past few posts. I could go and look for other examples, but you already know what you say and how you treat people. Wrong again. And context on the posts I’ve made here would help. YOU assumed I said she was dumb as a rock. I did not, it was an either/or—she got to choose, based on the context of the discussion. It’s not wrong to call on those who deflect from the conversation. But I guess if you’re the one deflecting you’re not going to agree. And telling someone to “f” off, once, maybe twice in my lifetime in peadom isn’t a crime. I’m thinking you likely deserved it. (ETA: yep, you deserved it—you were being sanctimonious, deflecting, and once again per your usual MO attacking liberals on that particular thread. I stand by my post.) and it doesn’t make me any more insulting, vile, or uncivil as you have , I just used different words. You’ve insulted and attacked me and other liberals, posted outright lies, but I guess that’s okay, right? You keep doing you then.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 16, 2017 0:48:52 GMT
Wrong again. And context on the posts I’ve made here would help. YOU assumed I said she was dumb as a rock. I did not, it was an either/or—she got to choose, based on the context of the discussion. It’s not wrong to call on those who deflect from the conversation. But I guess if you’re the one deflecting you’re not going to agree. And telling someone to “f” off, once, maybe twice in my lifetime in peadom isn’t a crime. I’m thinking you likely deserved it. (ETA: yep, you deserved it—you were being sanctimonious, deflecting, and once again per your usual MO attacking liberals on that particular thread. I stand by my post.) and it doesn’t make me any more insulting, vile, or uncivil as you have , I just used different words. You’ve insulted and attacked me and other liberals, posted outright lies, but I guess that’s okay, right? You keep doing you then. Right back at ya!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 16, 2017 0:51:12 GMT
Perhaps stop defending him? I'm not defending him. He has been inappropriate, as has papercrafteradvocate. LMAO. Yeah, because what I’ve said here is soooooooo much worse (or even remotely the same) as Trump, 🙄🙄🙄🙄 You can stop clutching those pearls already or unwind your panties—you really do have an issue with making comparisons.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 16, 2017 0:54:12 GMT
I love how Trump supporters hold random strangers on the internet to a higher standard than the President himself. "Grab 'em by the pussy" = still gets your vote and support. " He is a fucking pig"- handslap for "vulgarity" FUCKING HILARIOUS. The "grab 'em" comment and f word are both vulgar comments. No one gets a pass. So how exactly do you explain the free pass Trump and all those GOP’ers have received? (Can’t wait to hear this one...)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 14:29:50 GMT
How ever "vulgar" anyone on an internet message board has been should pale in comparison to the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICAS near-daily vulgarity, bullying and tantruming on twitter, most recently displayed w/his Gillibrand innuendo. "Pale in comparison" as in, leave one apoplectic if a "fu#($" on a message board is worth a callout. It is as an ant to an elephant in magnitude. Yet I see few, if anyone, on the right condemning this latest Gillibrand tweet on this board, but people jump right up w/the "she said 'fu#('!!!" "She said 'fu@('!!" "Look everyone, how vulgar."
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