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Post by wendifful on Jan 17, 2018 20:50:15 GMT
...until it's not plagiarized anymore? Okay, so a few years ago Paige Taylor Evans posted a layout using a Silhouette shape. I loved the layout and the shape and promptly bought it. Today when I was browsing through the new designs on the Silhouette store, I found a new shape from Paige that is very very very similar. There are obviously some differences, but I feel like it's not enough. Unless she had the permission of the original artist, it seems kind of weird to me, especially given the controversy over plagiarism with her first line. What do you think? Here's the layout: and I've attached the images of the two shapes.
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Post by wendifful on Jan 17, 2018 20:51:06 GMT
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Post by myboysnme on Jan 17, 2018 21:02:32 GMT
It's hard to say with letters and fonts. Those 2 are very similar. If they were done by 2 people who never saw the other's design I would say they are different enough because 2 people can have the same idea.
But in this case if the current designer is concerned about being copied herself, and wasn't the original designer but was familiar with and used the original designer's work, then I would say credit might be due.
Now I may not be the best judge because I have felt for almost 2 decades that scrapbook 'designers' copy each other all the time and who knows what came first. I recall VERY early on specializing in heritage work, and I routinely scanned items and used them on the page. I submitted the idea several times and it was picked up by Memory Makers but CK had someone else submit the same idea and gave credit for the idea to that person. Was I the first person to copy an item and use it in a scrapbook? No, probably not. But I was the first person I knew to scan my wedding dress bodice and use it as background paper. So I was irked when CK got all excited about the idea from someone else more than a year after I sent it to them. Was it intentional? No, I don't think so because at that time everyone was on the get published bandwagon and almost any new idea could get your layout in a publication.
The new paper releases I see posted on this board - I could pull nearly exact papers from my stash or albums because they have been done before, not just once. I am cynical enough to say there are really only one or two undiscovered scrapbook page ideas and at least 5 people will think of those things at the same time.
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Post by christinec68 on Jan 17, 2018 21:04:34 GMT
I can definitely see the inspiration but I do think they are different enough. The O in Page Evan's design is heart shaped and overall LOVE is loopier.
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Post by msliz on Jan 17, 2018 21:24:46 GMT
I do see the resemblance. It might not be Birdgate level, but it's there.
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Post by mom on Jan 17, 2018 21:28:03 GMT
I see a similar vibe from them, but I think they are different enough. FWIW, I like the non-Paige one better. Doesn't seem as 'cluttered' a design to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 21:32:13 GMT
First off, I do not support piracy or stealing artists ideas. But, I think today's techno savvy society, it's becoming easier and easier to get away with this stuff. If Marc jacobs can do it, anyone can. http://instagram.com/p/BcvQWrulBcX It's pretty sad that we artists have to guard our work so heavily.
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Post by thracian on Jan 17, 2018 22:17:27 GMT
I have heard there needs to be at least 10% variance. This is different enough, I think.
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Post by anniefb on Jan 17, 2018 23:42:36 GMT
They are similar but my gut feel is that there's enough of a difference. I prefer the non-Paige one.
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Post by anniefb on Jan 17, 2018 23:49:21 GMT
If you google, there's actually quite a few similar designs out there (for tattoos and you name it). Some examples:
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Post by anniefb on Jan 17, 2018 23:52:13 GMT
In fact, isn't that first one the actual non-Paige design? It comes from this fashion tattoo place.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 17, 2018 23:57:04 GMT
I do see the resemblance. It might not be Birdgate level, but it's there. I thought the same thing! Donna Downey's identical bird to an item sold by Fossil.
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Post by sarahbee on Jan 18, 2018 2:10:26 GMT
First off, I do not support piracy or stealing artists ideas. But, I think today's techno savvy society, it's becoming easier and easier to get away with this stuff. If Marc jacobs can do it, anyone can. http://instagr.am/p/BcvQWrulBcX It's pretty sad that we artists have to guard our work so heavily. I had never heard of this until your post. I looked up the designs and it is CRAZY - the MJ designers didn't even try to disguise their blatant theft at all. I hope that the small businesses that were plagiarized can win their lawsuit.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 18, 2018 16:54:36 GMT
They’re similar enough that it makes me ask, why didn’t she do something original? As others have mentioned, I’ve seen very similar designs all over Pinterest in tattoos, on shirts and who knows what else. If it’s been done in all those other places, AND there is already a very similar design as a cut file why do it?
The alleged 10% rule is spouted time and time again in these kinds of discussions but it doesn’t really apply to artistic or design work. If the copy is close enough that the original can still be easily identified, then it’s not unique enough and could be subject to infringement penalties. I would think that after the copyright kerfuffle surrounding her previous collection, Paige of all people should have avoided doing anything remotely similar to an existing design.
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Post by peachiceteas on Jan 18, 2018 16:57:50 GMT
No idea about this situation with Paige Evans but to avoid being sued by a company or person, there needs to be 7 points of difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 17:13:04 GMT
They’re similar enough that it makes me ask, why didn’t she do something original? As others have mentioned, I’ve seen very similar designs all over Pinterest in tattoos, on shirts and who knows what else. If it’s been done in all those other places, AND there is already a very similar design as a cut file why do it? The alleged 10% rule is spouted time and time again in these kinds of discussions but it doesn’t really apply to artistic or design work. If the copy is close enough that the original can still be easily identified, then it’s not unique enough and could be subject to infringement penalties. I would think that after the copyright kerfuffle surrounding her previous collection, Paige of all people should have avoided doing anything remotely similar to an existing design. And really, all of it (the 10% rule) is moot if the artist doesn't have the resources to retain a lawyer. That's why art theft is becoming so prevalent. We can all sit here and agree it's enough of a copy all we want, but that doesn't do anything for the original artist.
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Post by peachiceteas on Jan 18, 2018 17:18:07 GMT
Is it not possible that Paige purchased the cut file and used it as a template for her sewing?
Edit: ok I get it. She’s released a cut file that is a copy of someone else’s. Ignore me!
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