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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 3, 2018 21:13:56 GMT
Oh, I think he knew about the Russian meetings and that his own son was going after dirt on Hillary. I truly believe he was in the loop because he hates to lose. If getting Russian help would guarantee a win, he would do it. He was so bound and determined to win just to prove to Obama, I think he would have done anything to get there. I also believe he has ties to Russia that are illegal. I think he definitely launders money. I also believe he is dirtier than most people realize. He has a reputation going back decades. He is not as great a business man as he led people to believe. He rode on the coattails of his employees. He is not as rich as he claims. He over inflates EVERYTHING. I truly believe he is hiding more than laundering money and he is terrified. Without a doubt! He has a long history of not paying contractors for his construction. For the contractors the costs are prohibitive to sue, although some do try but the cases are drawn out for so long .. I guess we up here in the north east are a bit more familiar with the local stories that more rural America has not heard. He tells them what they want to hear.
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Post by MissBianca on Feb 3, 2018 21:16:39 GMT
Note: I am not calling out conservatives with my statements, just Trump supporters. Most conservatives in my life are very compassionate, thoughtful, and smart. And there is a difference between them! I fear that we are at the point of no return. There were people who were duped in to believing Trump, but now see him for what he is. Then there are the others who continue to believe him and are totally blinded or oblivious to any truth. They will never see the light. I think people who continue to support Trump are a lost cause. They will never see the truth. It's like they are brainwashed. Well, I guess they kind of are because they fell for the Russian propaganda. I think my big issue is that the churches, their ministers/pastors do not speak out when things get out of hand, people are belittled, abused, illegal actions, forgetting the Ten Commandments. etc. As much as I love my daughters little school I’m considering pulling her and homeschooling because of the hypocrisy and the short sightedness of the church. We are not Catholic but she attends a catholic school (our public school is just not an option for us), but I really don’t want to be associated with the how they are representing themselves. How can you look at the man and ignore his overall character because he claims to be anti- abortion? We don’t get to pick and choose the verses we like in the Bible and ignore the rest.
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Post by MissBianca on Feb 3, 2018 21:19:40 GMT
Probably another reason why he would never share his tax returns. He was asked once what was the red line not to cross and he said snooping into his finances. If there was nothing to hide, he would have said I’m an open book. Or at the very least he could have said his red line was his children (the minors and the ones trying to lead private lives, not the ones that jumped on the crazy train with him) but his red line is money?!?
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Post by pierogi on Feb 3, 2018 21:28:30 GMT
I think Trump colluded with the Russians. Not from the jump, but after he got the nomination. Putin was *furious* after his doping shenanigans at Sochi came to light and blamed the US. That and he’s harbored an open grudge since the Soviet Union fell. He’s always considered Americans hypocrites by the reverence in which we’ve held our institutions and our democracy, vs periods in our past when sadly they failed us, or bad actors used them for venal means. (Think Hoover’s FBI, or CIA operations that removed democratically elected leaders and replaced them with puppets.) Thankfully, even at these low points, we never were on a level with Russian abuse, although Putin loves to push the narrative that we’re just as corrupt as they are.
Trump adheres closely to this script. (“We’re not so innocent.”) When he badmouths our justice system or our intelligence agencies, those are Putin’s words coming from his mouth. He wants us like Russians: cynical, distrusting, believing everything to be lies, finally submitting to apathy as everyone and everything is corrupt anyway so why even try. And it’s tempting given the blatant corruption of this administration. Trump is a perfect useful idiot for the Kremlin: he’s greedy, stupid but cunning, and best of all, he’s a born autocrat. With the kompromat that Vladimir is holding over his head, he’s very very obedient.
Pence is dirty too. Never forget that Manafort was the one who brought Pence on board. Ryan is fully aware of all the Russian games, but I’m unsure if he’s directly involved like Nunes, or just taking advantage of the chaos to push his own agenda. If he was taking payments, Mueller will find them, and he doesn’t seem as frightened of Mueller as the others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 22:01:22 GMT
Remember Schneiderman is NY is also investigating money laundering and whatever else! Schneiderman is where the laundering case is being made. I think Schneiderman is waiting for Mueller indictments. Then we'll hear what they NYAG has in its evidence box.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 3, 2018 22:04:57 GMT
Right, state will wait on Mueller.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 4, 2018 1:20:47 GMT
Oh yes please! And with that, you do not mess with the IRS, think Capone!
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Post by elaine on Feb 4, 2018 15:06:19 GMT
I’m sorry, but I am dealing with a variety of family crises right now - both a child and a parent at the same time, so I don’t have much energy for political threads right now. I’m still watching the news and since I’m in metro DC, this is all covered on both local and national news - so, I’ll jump back in when things simmer down here.
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Post by pierogi on Feb 4, 2018 16:09:02 GMT
Hugs to you, elaine. I hope things get better soon. I really enjoy your posts.
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Post by Skellinton on Feb 4, 2018 16:14:52 GMT
I’m sorry, but I am dealing with a variety of family crises right now - both a child and a parent at the same time, so I don’t have much energy for political threads right now. I’m still watching the news and since I’m in metro DC, this is all covered on both local and national news - so, I’ll jump back in when things simmer down here. Sorry elaine ! Hope things get better soon, thinking of you!
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Post by imsirius on Feb 4, 2018 20:33:29 GMT
I’m sorry, but I am dealing with a variety of family crises right now - both a child and a parent at the same time, so I don’t have much energy for political threads right now. I’m still watching the news and since I’m in metro DC, this is all covered on both local and national news - so, I’ll jump back in when things simmer down here. Oh no! Stay strong my friend. Hope all is resolved soon.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 4, 2018 20:42:09 GMT
I’m sorry, but I am dealing with a variety of family crises right now - both a child and a parent at the same time, so I don’t have much energy for political threads right now. I’m still watching the news and since I’m in metro DC, this is all covered on both local and national news - so, I’ll jump back in when things simmer down here. Take care of you!!!!
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Post by rodeomom on Feb 4, 2018 21:00:18 GMT
I’m sorry, but I am dealing with a variety of family crises right now - both a child and a parent at the same time, so I don’t have much energy for political threads right now. I’m still watching the news and since I’m in metro DC, this is all covered on both local and national news - so, I’ll jump back in when things simmer down here. Hope things get better for you soon. Will be keeping you and your family in my thoughts.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 4, 2018 21:14:47 GMT
I’m sorry, but I am dealing with a variety of family crises right now - both a child and a parent at the same time, so I don’t have much energy for political threads right now. I’m still watching the news and since I’m in metro DC, this is all covered on both local and national news - so, I’ll jump back in when things simmer down here. Hope things improve soon. Take a deep breath and relax for a bit inbetween episodes. ((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 22:58:37 GMT
So sorry to hear this Elaine. Hang in there.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 4, 2018 23:35:15 GMT
Well, DT is pretty good about spinning things. Look at how he turned a racism protest in the NFL into an anti-patriotic act, and that draft dodging chicken got away with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 1:38:29 GMT
I fear that we are at the point of no return. There were people who were duped in to believing Trump, but now see him for what he is. Then there are the others who continue to believe him and are totally blinded or oblivious to any truth. They will never see the light. I think people who continue to support Trump are a lost cause. They will never see the truth. It's like they are brainwashed. Well, I guess they kind of are because they fell for the Russian propaganda. This is the first time where I can say that knowing someone supports a particular politician makes me lose all respect for them. It makes me even question their own mental stability and I don't even want to be around them. I think that, sadly, is truth. “ Remember Jerry, it’s not a lie—if you believe it. – George Costanza They say that the truth hurts. I’m inclined to agree. When trying to reach another person across a divide of disagreement, it’s really difficult to compete with a firmly planted and fully thriving lie—in fact it’s virtually impossible. In the turbulent days in which we find ourselves, our most formidable adversary is not the one who is most intelligent, cunning, or even immoral—it is the person who no longer has need of the truth; who ceases to be burdened by the existence or veracity of data in order to believe what they believe. When someone has reached this place of delusion, their only pressing commitment is preserving the myth they’ve told themselves—and so their minds for all practical purposes are rendered nearly unchangeable. To reach a different conclusion would involve them rewriting the false story they’ve already convinced themselves of and vigorously defended, sometimes for years. To consider another alternative becomes a threat to their very identity—and so rather than arguing with one’s own mind, the much less complicated or time-consuming task is to simply tell it what it wants to hear regardless of whether or not it is real. The person who has discarded truth is insulated from rationality. He or she will not respond to the presence of a cogent argument or the proffering of measurable facts. Any information not corresponding to the narrative they’ve predetermined will be immediately labeled “fake news” and quickly rejected. You cannot win a debate with such a person, you cannot craft compromise with them, and you cannot appeal to reason—unless you are too are willing to concede to fantasy in order to reach them where they are, and this is a steep and slippery slope. When we encounter someone whose opinion doesn’t match our own, there is great wisdom in seeking to understand the other person; attempting to see the matter from behind their eyes. But when this conclusion is reached based on fraudulent information, when he or she refuses to weigh the evidence at hand, when they chose simply to adopt the perspective of least resistance, this can be an impossibility. Yesterday I was speaking with a woman named Tammy. She was reiterating a well-traveled talking point from a partisan news show about the dangers of Muslims in America. I asked Tammy to take a look at a couple of well-researched articles by major newspapers, and to compare the numbers there with her perception. “Pshht!” she blurted out, rolling her eyes, “I’m not interested in fake news!” Tammy had no desire to engage information or to entertain the possibility of contrary evidence. It was much easier to devalue that information and dismiss it out of hand. This is the FoxNews Effect on America. The network, along with both extremist poles of social media have done their most cancerous work by making critical thinking irrelevant, by counting on a populace with a low threshold for information fatigue, and by exploiting people’s vulnerability to intellectual ear candy. They understand that once they craft a story in the head of another human being, they only need to provide confirmation of that story; to reassure them that whatever lie they’ve embraced is true. After a short time, facts are not at all necessary to sustain believability—only the words themselves. And so we’re faced with the task of wrestling with some really gut-wrenching questions today: How do we teach our children to treasure honesty, when for so many people they encounter, fundamental reality is up for debate? How do we who claim Christianity affirm our faith tradition’s call to truthfulness, when an increasing number of those representing that tradition are no longer interested in it? How do we engage people standing opposite from us on an issue—when they no longer seem to value, desire, or entertain factual information? What does a country become when its leaders, responsible for stewarding reality in times of adversity and matters of great consequence—have no use for it? How does America endure a President who is allergic to reality and fluent in untruth? The answer isn’t in abandoning the truth ourselves. In fact, these days require us to be a people who guard it more fiercely than ever; to keep seeking to know what is real, and to speak those things loudly and repeatedly in the hopes they will find fertile ground, even in the hardest of hearts. The answer is to raise children who believe honesty and integrity to be the bedrock of our humanity. I want to believe all people can be reached, that there can be a place of common understanding in which to begin brokering compromise, even across the most vast of spaces. I wake up every day seeking to do this work, but with far too many of those in my neighborhood, in my family, and on my timeline—it is getting more and more difficult not to conclude that it is a fruitless endeavor. I’m afraid that reaching them may never again be an option—and that the only hope going forward may be to outnumber them. This may be the truth that hurts the most. These are not your words. As has been said, it would be nice, when you quote someone else's words, if you would please provide attribution and a link back to the full piece. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 10:08:02 GMT
Innocent people would not go through all of this to stop an investigation. His actions now are very telling. ETA: Are felons allowed to be president? I sincerely hope not for the simple fact of presidents holding the highest of clearances. If a regular federal employee cannot be allowed to hold clearances because their credit score is too low (only example that’s coming to me now) or a myriad of other reasons, the same rules should apply to the president. I can’t imagine simply holding the title of president would allow you to sidestep all the security clearance rules and regulations. I wouldn't have thought so either, until we had Hillary being allowed to continue to run for president, despite violating actual statutes and regulations that disqualify her from doing so by flagrantly disregarding security protocols with classified documents involving national security.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 6, 2018 10:26:29 GMT
I think that, sadly, is truth. “ Remember Jerry, it’s not a lie—if you believe it. – George Costanza They say that the truth hurts. I’m inclined to agree. When trying to reach another person across a divide of disagreement, it’s really difficult to compete with a firmly planted and fully thriving lie—in fact it’s virtually impossible. In the turbulent days in which we find ourselves, our most formidable adversary is not the one who is most intelligent, cunning, or even immoral—it is the person who no longer has need of the truth; who ceases to be burdened by the existence or veracity of data in order to believe what they believe. When someone has reached this place of delusion, their only pressing commitment is preserving the myth they’ve told themselves—and so their minds for all practical purposes are rendered nearly unchangeable. To reach a different conclusion would involve them rewriting the false story they’ve already convinced themselves of and vigorously defended, sometimes for years. To consider another alternative becomes a threat to their very identity—and so rather than arguing with one’s own mind, the much less complicated or time-consuming task is to simply tell it what it wants to hear regardless of whether or not it is real. The person who has discarded truth is insulated from rationality. He or she will not respond to the presence of a cogent argument or the proffering of measurable facts. Any information not corresponding to the narrative they’ve predetermined will be immediately labeled “fake news” and quickly rejected. You cannot win a debate with such a person, you cannot craft compromise with them, and you cannot appeal to reason—unless you are too are willing to concede to fantasy in order to reach them where they are, and this is a steep and slippery slope. When we encounter someone whose opinion doesn’t match our own, there is great wisdom in seeking to understand the other person; attempting to see the matter from behind their eyes. But when this conclusion is reached based on fraudulent information, when he or she refuses to weigh the evidence at hand, when they chose simply to adopt the perspective of least resistance, this can be an impossibility. Yesterday I was speaking with a woman named Tammy. She was reiterating a well-traveled talking point from a partisan news show about the dangers of Muslims in America. I asked Tammy to take a look at a couple of well-researched articles by major newspapers, and to compare the numbers there with her perception. “Pshht!” she blurted out, rolling her eyes, “I’m not interested in fake news!” Tammy had no desire to engage information or to entertain the possibility of contrary evidence. It was much easier to devalue that information and dismiss it out of hand. This is the FoxNews Effect on America. The network, along with both extremist poles of social media have done their most cancerous work by making critical thinking irrelevant, by counting on a populace with a low threshold for information fatigue, and by exploiting people’s vulnerability to intellectual ear candy. They understand that once they craft a story in the head of another human being, they only need to provide confirmation of that story; to reassure them that whatever lie they’ve embraced is true. After a short time, facts are not at all necessary to sustain believability—only the words themselves. And so we’re faced with the task of wrestling with some really gut-wrenching questions today: How do we teach our children to treasure honesty, when for so many people they encounter, fundamental reality is up for debate? How do we who claim Christianity affirm our faith tradition’s call to truthfulness, when an increasing number of those representing that tradition are no longer interested in it? How do we engage people standing opposite from us on an issue—when they no longer seem to value, desire, or entertain factual information? What does a country become when its leaders, responsible for stewarding reality in times of adversity and matters of great consequence—have no use for it? How does America endure a President who is allergic to reality and fluent in untruth? The answer isn’t in abandoning the truth ourselves. In fact, these days require us to be a people who guard it more fiercely than ever; to keep seeking to know what is real, and to speak those things loudly and repeatedly in the hopes they will find fertile ground, even in the hardest of hearts. The answer is to raise children who believe honesty and integrity to be the bedrock of our humanity. I want to believe all people can be reached, that there can be a place of common understanding in which to begin brokering compromise, even across the most vast of spaces. I wake up every day seeking to do this work, but with far too many of those in my neighborhood, in my family, and on my timeline—it is getting more and more difficult not to conclude that it is a fruitless endeavor. I’m afraid that reaching them may never again be an option—and that the only hope going forward may be to outnumber them. This may be the truth that hurts the most. These are not your words. As has been said, it would be nice, when you quote someone else's words, if you would please provide attribution and a link back to the full piece. Thank you. So...what’s your question? Wasn’t trying to claim them as my words, the top part of what I was quoting was cut off.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 6, 2018 11:14:22 GMT
Excellent laid out article... www.wired.com/story/bob-muellers-investigation-is-largerand-further-alongthan-you-think/GARRETT M. GRAFF02.05.18 5:54 PM BOB MUELLER’S INVESTIGATION IS LARGER—AND FURTHER ALONG—THAN YOU THINK “President Trump claimed in a tweet over the weekend that the controversial Nunes memo “totally vindicates” him, clearing him of the cloud of the Russia investigation that has hung over his administration for a year now. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, if anything, the Mueller investigation appears to have been picking up steam in the past three weeks—and homing in on a series of targets. Last summer, I wrote an analysis exploring the “known unknowns” of the Russia investigation—unanswered but knowable questions regarding Mueller’s probe. Today, given a week that saw immense sturm und drang over Devin Nunes’ memo—a document that seems purposefully designed to obfuscate and muddy the waters around Mueller’s investigation—it seems worth asking the opposite question: What are the known knowns of the Mueller investigation, and where might it be heading? The first thing we know is that we know it is large. We speak about the “Mueller probe” as a single entity, but it’s important to understand that there are no fewer than five (known) separate investigations under the broad umbrella of the special counsel’s office—some threads of these investigations may overlap or intersect, some may be completely free-standing, and some potential targets may be part of multiple threads. But it’s important to understand the different “buckets” of Mueller’s probe. As special counsel, Mueller has broad authority to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump,” as well as “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation,” a catch-all phrase that allows him to pursue other criminality he may stumble across in the course of the investigation. As the acting attorney general overseeing Mueller, Rod Rosenstein has the ability to grant Mueller the ability to expand his investigation as necessary and has been briefed regularly on how the work is unfolding. Yet even without being privy to those conversations, we have a good sense of the purview of his investigation. Right now, we know it involves at least five separate investigative angles: 1. Preexisting Business Deals and Money Laundering. Business dealings and money laundering related to Trump campaign staff, including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former campaign aide Rick Gates, are a major target of the inquiry. While this phase of the investigation has already led to the indictment of Gates and Manafort, it almost certainly will continue to bear further fruit. Gates appears to be heading toward a plea deal with Mueller, and there is expected to be a so-called “superseding” indictment that may add to or refine the existing charges. Such indictments are common in federal prosecutions, particularly in complicated financial cases where additional evidence may surface. Mueller’s team is believed to have amassed more than 400,000 documents in this part of the investigation alone. There have also been reports—largely advanced through intriguing reporting by Buzzfeed—about suspicious payments flagged by Citibank that passed through the accounts of the Russian embassy in the United States, including an abnormal attempted $150,000 cash withdrawal by the embassy just days after the election. 2. Russian Information Operations. When we speak in shorthand about the “hacking of the election,” we are actually talking about unique and distinct efforts, with varying degrees of coordination, by different entities associated with the Russian government. One of these is the “information operations” (bots and trolls) that swirled around the 2016 election, focused on social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter, possibly with the coordination or involvement of the Trump campaign’s data team, Cambridge Analytica. Presumably these so-called active measures were conducted by or with the coordination of what’s known colloquially as the Russian troll factory, the Internet Research Agency, in St. Petersburg. The extent to which these social media efforts impacted the outcome of the election remains an open question, but according to Bloomberg these social media sites are a “red hot” focus of Mueller’s team, and he obtained search warrants to examine the records of companies like Facebook. In recent weeks, social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter have begun working to notify more than a million users they suspect interacted with Russian trolls and propaganda. 3. Active Cyber Intrusions. Separate from the trolls and bots on social media were a series of active operations and cyber intrusions carried out by Russian intelligence officers at the GRU and the FSB against political targets like John Podesta and the DNC. We know that Russian intelligence also penetrated the Republican National Committee, but none of those emails or documents were made public. This thread of the investigation may also involve unofficial or official campaign contacts with WikiLeaks or other campaign advisers, like Roger Stone, as well as the warning—via the Australian government—that former foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos appeared to have foreknowledge of the hacking of Democratic emails. Western intelligence, specifically the Dutch intelligence service AVID, has evidently been monitoring for years the “Advanced Persistent Threats”—government-sponsored hackers who make up the Russia teams known as Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear, which were responsible for the attacks on Democratic targets. AVID even evidently managed to penetrate a security camera in the workspace of Cozy Bear, near Red Square in Moscow, and take screenshots of those working for the team. According to The Wall Street Journal, there are at least six Russian intelligence officers who may already be identified as personally responsible for at least some of these intrusions. Bringing criminal charges against these individuals would be consistent with the practices established over the past five years by the Justice Department’s National Security Division, which indicted—and in some cases even arrested—specific government and military hackers from nation-states like Iran, China, and Russia. 4. Russian Campaign Contacts. This corner of the investigation remains perhaps the most mysterious aspect of Mueller’s probe, as questions continue to swirl about the links and contacts among Russian nationals and officials and Trump campaign staff, including Carter Page, the subject of the FISA warrant that was the focus of the Nunes memo. Numerous campaign (and now administration) officials have lied about or failed to disclose contacts with both Russian nationals and Russian government officials, from meetings with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak to government banker Sergey Gorkov to the infamous Trump Tower meeting arranged by Donald Trump Jr. with Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer Natalia V. Veselnitskaya. At least two members of the campaign—Papadopoulos and former national security adviser Michael Flynn—have already pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about these contacts. But many other Trump aides face scrutiny, including Attorney General Jeff Sessions, White House adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner, and Donald Trump Jr. Some of these contacts may go back years; Page himself originally surfaced in January 2015 as “Male #1” in the indictment of three Russian SVR agents, working undercover in New York City, who had tried to recruit Page, an oil and gas adviser, as an intelligence asset, only to decide that he was too scatterbrained to be a useful source. 5. Obstruction of Justice. This is the big kahuna—the question of whether President Trump obstructed justice by pressuring FBI director James Comey to “look past” the FBI’s investigation of Michael Flynn and whether his firing in May was in any way tied to Comey’s refusal to stop the investigation. This thread, as far as we know from public reporting, remains the only part of the investigation that stretches directly into the Oval Office. It likely focuses not only on the President and the FBI director but also on a handful of related questions about the FBI investigation of Flynn and the White House’s statements about the Trump Tower meeting. The president himself has said publicly that he fired Comey over “this Russia thing.” There’s fresh reason to believe that this is an active criminal investigation; lost amid the news of the Nunes memo on Friday was a court ruling in a lawsuit where I and a handful of other reporters from outlets like CNN and Daily Caller are suing the Justice Department to release the “Comey memos”: The ruling held that, based on the FBI’s private testimony to the court—including evidence from Michael Dreeben, one of the leaders of the special counsel’s office—releasing the memos would compromise the investigation. “Having heard this, the Court is now fully convinced that disclosure ‘could reasonably be expected to interfere’ with that ongoing investigation,” the judge wrote in our case. Even the most generous interpretation of the Nunes memo—which has been widely debunked by serious analysts—raises questions only around the fourth thread of this investigation, insofar as it focuses on Carter Page, the one-time foreign policy adviser who appears to be ancillary to most of the rest of the Russia probes. All of the other avenues remain unsullied by the Nunes memo. The second thing that we know is that large parts of the investigation remain out of sight. While we’ve seen four indictments or guilty pleas, they only involve threads one (money laundering) and four (Russian campaign contacts). We haven’t seen any public moves or charges by Mueller’s team regarding the information operations, the active cyber intrusions, or the obstruction of justice investigation. We also know there’s significant relevant evidence that’s not yet public: Both Flynn and Papadopoulos traded cooperation and information as part of their respective plea deals, and none of the information that they provided has become public yet. We also know that, despite the relative period of quiet since Flynn’s guilty plea in December, Mueller is moving fast. While parts of the case will likely unfold and continue for years, particularly if some defendants head for trial, Mueller has in recent weeks been interviewing senior and central figures, like Comey and Sessions. He’s also begun working to interview President Trump himself. Given that standard procedure would be to interview the central figure in an investigation last—when all the evidence is gathered—it seems likely that such interest means that Mueller is confident he knows what he needs to know for the obstruction case, at least. All of these pieces of public evidence, the “known knowns,” point to one conclusion: Bob Mueller has a busy few weeks ahead of him—and the sturm und drang of the last week will likely only intensify as more of the investigation comes into public view.
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 6, 2018 11:31:23 GMT
I sincerely hope not for the simple fact of presidents holding the highest of clearances. If a regular federal employee cannot be allowed to hold clearances because their credit score is too low (only example that’s coming to me now) or a myriad of other reasons, the same rules should apply to the president. I can’t imagine simply holding the title of president would allow you to sidestep all the security clearance rules and regulations. I wouldn't have thought so either, until we had Hillary being allowed to continue to run for president, despite violating actual statutes and regulations that disqualify her from doing so by flagrantly disregarding security protocols with classified documents involving national security. I’m pretty sure the level of security clearance for the 2 presidential candidates is not the same as the level of clearance for the person who holds the position of the president.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 11:45:46 GMT
I wouldn't have thought so either, until we had Hillary being allowed to continue to run for president, despite violating actual statutes and regulations that disqualify her from doing so by flagrantly disregarding security protocols with classified documents involving national security. I’m pretty sure the level of security clearance for the 2 presidential candidates is not the same as the level of clearance for the person who holds the position of the president. The statutes/regulations she violated as Secretary of State, specifically spelled out that by doing so, they "shall forfeit their office and be disqualified from holding any office in the United States". From the US Code Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 101
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 6, 2018 11:49:37 GMT
I wouldn't have thought so either, until we had Hillary being allowed to continue to run for president, despite violating actual statutes and regulations that disqualify her from doing so by flagrantly disregarding security protocols with classified documents involving national security. I’m pretty sure the level of security clearance for the 2 presidential candidates is not the same as the level of clearance for the person who holds the position of the president. Lol! It’s getting to be pathetic that some just cannot understand that HRC is not and never was potus! Never mind the facts... It’s also pathetic that their continued attempts at redirecting and deflecting the current conversation all focus on HRC or “Obama was a bad hombre” are used as excuses for their so called attempts at conversation, when in reality they are just trying to shut down discussion and redirect the the conversation. But God forbid we nasty hateful liberals call them out on their b.s.
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 6, 2018 11:55:41 GMT
I’m pretty sure the level of security clearance for the 2 presidential candidates is not the same as the level of clearance for the person who holds the position of the president. The statutes/regulations she violated as Secretary of State, specifically spelled out that by doing so, they "shall forfeit their office and be disqualified from holding any office in the United States". From the US Code Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 101 Was she found guilty of anything? Also, we are talking about Donald Trump, the person who is currently holding the office of the president. I am more concerned with his ethics, and any laws/regs he may be currently breaking while in office. If Clinton were president I would be equally as concerned about her ability too hold those clearances as well.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 6, 2018 12:01:04 GMT
The statutes/regulations she violated as Secretary of State, specifically spelled out that by doing so, they "shall forfeit their office and be disqualified from holding any office in the United States". From the US Code Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 101 Was she found guilty of anything? Also, we are talking about Donald Trump, the person who is currently holding the office of the president. I am more concerned with his ethics, and any laws/regs he may be currently breaking while in office. If Clinton were president I would be equally as concerned about her ability too hold those clearances as well. No, she wasn’t! And to burst the bubble on Gia and her false information—(She should fact check, snopes rated it mostly false—As HRC was not criminally charged nor found guilty, not to mention that Mulkaskey retracted his claim of the same days after making it. I guess it’s what you get when “wishful thinking” on HRC haters part—they keep hoping it will come true— is not enough evidence to call it factual. Yes, classic deflecting we WERE discussing the potus and his unethical behavior in office. 😉
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