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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 12:41:17 GMT
I have a friend who recently learned that her stepdaughter is dating a man who is abusive. She is 22, quiet and shy, and this is her first regular dating experience. The mother of the girl abandoned her two children years ago and dad is the sole care provider.
They are taking steps now to intervene, but the daughter is clinging to the guy and saying she loves him. Maybe she thinks she can’t live without him. Maybe she thinks she can change him. They are afraid she will run off with this guy if they take too hard a stance.
If you have any experience in this area, I’d appreciate your input, which I will share with my friend.
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Post by pmm on Feb 6, 2018 13:25:36 GMT
No advice, but I didn't want to read and run.
I wish your friend all the best in this difficult situation.
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Post by hannahruth on Feb 6, 2018 13:39:27 GMT
My only advice is for them to take it slowly and without too much demanding as if the daughter feels that they are coming down too hard on this relationship she will think that she has to stay with the abuser as "he is not as they are saying and he will never hurt me" even if it has got to this stage.
Another way to address this is the family invite the individual to family times so that she gets to understand that his behaviour is not how she deserves to be treated and the relationship will fold.
Not an easy task btdt! Hugs to this young girl and her family
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 15:05:52 GMT
There is almost nothing they can do, except relocate her to Siberia.
The more they try to pull her away from him the more she is going to cling to him. He is saying and doing all the right things.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 6, 2018 15:32:39 GMT
BFF’s daughter was involved in an abusive relationship when she was in high school, which is a slightly different thing because she was a minor at the time. The parents and step parents ended up doing an intervention of sorts and ultimately convinced their DD to change schools because it would be too difficult to keep him away from her at school even with a restraining order from the police. Even after changing schools, the guy would come around and case their house and hang around their neighborhood to see if she was there. It was a scary time because it turned out the guy was pretty unstable.
I wish your friend well, it isn’t an easy situation to navigate that’s for sure.
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Post by PenandInk on Feb 6, 2018 16:37:51 GMT
We went through this when our DD was 19, no physical abuse but heavy, controlling emotional abuse. Getting her out of that relationship was the hardest thing we ever did. She is an extremely loyal person who gives people she loves many chances. In this case, way too many chances.
We ended up finding an awesome therapist who my DD liked as a person. SHE was the one who gave her the list of abusive behaviors and started the discussion. We never said a bad word about him until long after it was over, and left that to the therapist. Luckily for us, my DH and I were moving across country and DD agreed to go with us. We paid for a plane ticket so he could come visit, just to get her on that plane (he never used it). Once she was too far away for him to effectively manipulate and control, he just walked away. Had we not moved, I’m not sure it would have gone as well as it did. Sadly, moving also took her from the awesome therapist, but she did do therapy by phone for a long time afterward.
My suggestion would be to ease up on badmouthing him, and convince her to go to therapy. Let the therapist be the realist about the situation. The parents need to be the support system here. Push too hard, and he may end up being a son-in-law. My biggest take away from this is that my DD was ashamed that someone she loved, and who she believed loved her, could treat her this way, and she just needed to try harder to make things better. Because he loved her!!. It’s very hard to recognize a narcissist when you are in the blush of true love.
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Post by scrappyesq on Feb 6, 2018 16:48:34 GMT
We went through this when our DD was 19, no physical abuse but heavy, controlling emotional abuse. Getting her out of that relationship was the hardest thing we ever did. She is an extremely loyal person who gives people she loves many chances. In this case, way too many chances. We ended up finding an awesome therapist who my DD liked as a person. SHE was the one who gave her the list of abusive behaviors and started the discussion. We never said a bad word about him until long after it was over, and left that to the therapist. Luckily for us, my DH and I were moving across country and DD agreed to go with us. We paid for a plane ticket so he could come visit, just to get her on that plane (he never used it). Once she was too far away for him to effectively manipulate and control, he just walked away. Had we not moved, I’m not sure it would have gone as well as it did. Sadly, moving also took her from the awesome therapist, but she did do therapy by phone for a long time afterward. My suggestion would be to ease up on badmouthing him, and convince her to go to therapy. Let the therapist be the realist about the situation. The parents need to be the support system here. Push too hard, and he may end up being a son-in-law. My biggest take away from this is that my DD was ashamed that someone she loved, and who she believed loved her, could treat her this way, and she just needed to try harder to make things better. Because he loved her!!. It’s very hard to recognize a narcissist when you are in the blush of true love.
I was involved with a narcissist for years; he was only my second serious relationship and it was bad. At the time no one could have told me that he wasn't a good person. It didn't help that my mother herself was a narc and there was no model for a healthy relationship anywhere around me.
It was not until I began seeing a therapist for a completely separate issue that I realized how horrible the relationship was, but I had to see and learn for myself. Maybe her family can convince her to go to a therapist to discuss her feelings about her mother, which will then open the discussion on issues that she may be having related to that trauma. Which could be potentially the reason why she is clinging so hard to an unhealthy relationship (because lemme tell you issues of rejection and abandonment can wreak havoc on someone's life).
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Post by hop2 on Feb 6, 2018 17:08:52 GMT
I have no advice.
But she does think she loves him. She thinks it’s her fault and if she could just try harder he wouldn’t need to do it. She thinks she isn’t good enough.
She needs to find her self esteem. And she needs to value herself. Unfortunately telling her who to see, what to do & when to do it isn’t going to build her self esteem or make her value herself. But I have never been there as the parent or loved one, only as the verbally abused.
I didn’t do anything until I began to value myself. When I was 22 he wasn’t abusing me so I can’t really answer what will help. And when it was abuse it was verbal abuse and since I wasn’t being hit I dismissed it, repeatedly. Until I found my spine & my self worth. Mthevpatent has to find some way to show her she has value and how others should respect her and how ‘loving’ someone is not enough if they don’t treat you properly. And that’s hard to do and it takes time.
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Post by mom on Feb 6, 2018 17:11:29 GMT
My ex husband was physically and mentally abusive.
Like your friend, he was my first 'serious' boyfriend. My parents hated him and the more they criticized him, the more I clinged to him.They would forbid me to see him and I would sneak out in spite of them. I was 19 when we got married (to my parents horror) and we were divorced by the time I was 23. I didn't think I could change him - why would I ? I didnt see him as abusive.
My best friends mom was instrumental in getting me prepared to leave him. I didn't want to admit to my mom I screwed up, but I could talk to her. I am so thankful she was unbiased and was a safe place for me to talk to.
What finally brought me around was him abusing our kids. He could do whatever he wanted to me, but no way would I tolerate him hurting my sons.
My best advice? Have them encourage her to talk to someone other than them. Find a therapist. A preacher. ANYONE but them. She will not believe her family if they say he is bad.
My second piece of advice is for them to be there, willing to accept her back, when this relationship implodes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 17:18:51 GMT
This happen a long time ago and broke a lot rules, but the parents were desperate.
They hired a person to become their daughter's best friend. It worked well for them. Daughter left creep and met a really nice guy , married and has a good life.
Creep actually married, but ended up becoming a completely different person.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 17:22:42 GMT
I have a friend who recently learned that her stepdaughter is dating a man who is abusive. She is 22, quiet and shy, and this is her first regular dating experience. The mother of the girl abandoned her two children years ago and dad is the sole care provider. They are taking steps now to intervene, but the daughter is clinging to the guy and saying she loves him. Maybe she thinks she can’t live without him. Maybe she thinks she can change him. They are afraid she will run off with this guy if they take too hard a stance. If you have any experience in this area, I’d appreciate your input, which I will share with my friend. If this is her first dating experience at 22 she very possibly feels like she will never have another chance at love. She doesn't have the bravado to ask anyone out and apparently not attracted enough attention to have any other young men ask her out either. My advice is back off on intervening. It can backfire big. The parents probably aren't going to like what I have to say. I learned to accept manipulative behavior in my family of origin. The seeds of accepting abusive behavior, allowing manipulation begin in childhood. In an odd way an intervention is a continuation of manipulation by the family. They don't approve of her life so they intervene to get her back into the fold of their control and approval. My advice, family counseling but not the sole goal of getting her away from him. Rather to educate all of them in co-dependency, manipulation and developing healthy relationships between themselves. Comfortable relationships are not always healthy ones. THen let the girl know, no matter where her life journey takes her, even with this guy they don't approve of, that their love is unending and she is always welcome home again. eta: I was married 26 years to a narcissist. It ended when he threatened to kill me. I should have left earlier but felt I had nowhere to go and I felt I couldn't go back to my parents. It just happened his threat came at a time I was in a therapy group for depression (he felt I needed to be helped but not him) It was that therapist who gave me the clarity of what I needed to do and the knowledge of support that gave me the courage to go when I knew it was time.
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Post by pierogi on Feb 6, 2018 17:26:21 GMT
The best advice I can give to a concerned parent or friend is do not give her ultimatums. The chances that she would choose the abuser and isolate herself further is too high. Be a supportive ear and a sounding board. She may leave him multiple times before it "sticks." Make yourself familiar with resources to help her away from him if she needs to leave on a moment's notice --shelters, places that will take her pets if she has one, etc. Remind her that she is a worthy human being, no matter what her abusive partner says. Gently remind her that he will not change. Not ever. No matter what the abuser promises, or how much he cries or "romances" her after an abusive episode. That's part of the cycle. If she has children with the abuser, the chances that her son will also grow up to abuse his partner are depressingly high, as are the chances her daughter will wind up with a partner who's abusive. Would she want the same for her daughter? I'm so sorry your friend is going through this. I hope her daughter can get out. 
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 6, 2018 17:28:25 GMT
We watched a friend's DD get into a controlling relationship. It was a real tightrope for the family to walk and be careful not to alienate her and have her run further into his arms. If the couple did show up at a family gathering, everyone smiled through gritted teeth and killed him with kindness. If they didn't show up, they made sure DD knew how much they were missed.
No criticism or judgement about why they didn't come. She loved the big extended family gatherings at the lake and after missing a couple to stay home with her guy, and hearing how much he hated the gatherings, the bloom started to fade. He was badmouthing the people she loved and they weren't forcing her to choose. It was a tightrope and her mom seemed to know exactly when and what to say to reel her back to the family.
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Post by scrapmaven on Feb 6, 2018 17:29:50 GMT
Until she recognizes that he will not stop abusing her and it will only get worse she won't listen to reason. The more her parents talk against him the closer she'll become to him. If there's anyway to get her to family therapy that could be a helpful venue for her parents and the therapist to educate her about domestic abuse, how to recognize it and how to leave safely. No one deserves this and I hope she'll leave him soon.
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Post by River on Feb 6, 2018 17:35:11 GMT
There is almost nothing they can do, except relocate her to Siberia. The more they try to pull her away from him the more she is going to cling to him. He is saying and doing all the right things. Unfortunately this is the case more often than not. I found myself married to a man that I had known and dated for 2 years prior to marriage. 3 months into the marriage I get my first smack. We'd built a house on the back 40 of my parents land, so I ran out and headed to the safety of my daddy. I didn't get very far until he caught me and put the fear of god into me plus threats against my family. The next day, he was so loving and apologetic, he really put the effort in to make me love him all over again. Then the next smack, the next fear of god, the next threats, the next caring and loving. Lather, rinse, repeat. During the love phases, there was no one on earth that could convince me he was bad and abusive. He could really turn on the charm, just like the whole time we dated. The egg shells I found myself walking on were subtle at first. I didn't realize the anxiety I started to feel around him was because of HIM, I thought it was ME doing the wrong things. That is how you get trapped! He expertly made me feel guilt and shame, I was who the blame fell on. The times I was good, he expertly made me feel so loved and cherished. My family saw through him and tried so hard to convince me that our marriage was not normal. That just made HIM dig his heels in more and turn the charm to extreme levels when needed. So, my advise is to stay close to her, give her love and support without badmouthing the SOB. He could easily catch wind that they are trying to pull her away and turn his charm on.
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Post by MizIndependent on Feb 6, 2018 17:36:04 GMT
There is almost nothing they can do, except relocate her to Siberia. The more they try to pull her away from him the more she is going to cling to him. He is saying and doing all the right things. So then perhaps the best thing to do is invite them both further into the family. Instead of pulling her away, pull him in. As he resists her family's attempts to love and get to know him his true colors should show to her. After all, if they are trying to include him and he's the one pulling away from them she may begin to see him as the controller/abuser he is. It's what it took for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 17:42:49 GMT
My granddaughter was "in love" with a very controlling person. I don't think he was abusive but manipulative and controlling. Thankfully, when he asked her father for her hand in marriage, my son gave him a talking to, and told him he couldn't give them his blessings-and told him why. My ddil took my granddaughter on a weekend trip, talked with her, and my granddaughter came to her senses. the boyfriend wasn't happy, and it took my granddaughter awhile to get over it, but she's going with a really nice man now, and we're all hoping for the best. Thankfully, my granddaughter has a very good relationship with her parents, and trusted their opinions, and listened to their wise counsel. The boyfriend is now married to someone else and expecting a baby with her.
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Post by twinks on Feb 6, 2018 17:48:39 GMT
I was the one in an abusive situation. I have listed my story on here a couple of times. The thing that stands out to me is that no one in my family ever bad mouthed my former husband to me. They were extremely supportive of me. Inviting us to their homes, on activities, etc. When I needed help, there was always a family member there to help me in an extremely non-judgmental way. They were interested in what was happening with me. I don't think there was a day that went by that someone in my family didn't make contact in some way - not really checking on me, but, still checking on me. They knew that any decision had to be mine.
Unbeknown to me, my family had researched and obtained an attorney, even paying the retainer. They also had a therapist lined up. Everything was in place awaiting my decision to leave.
It wasn't until I made the decision to leave did I really understand what was happening and the cycle of domestic violence. I wish that I had seen my therapist while I was still married because I would have left a lot sooner.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Feb 6, 2018 19:27:58 GMT
The only thing you can do is be there, a non judgemental support the girl knows will always be there no matter what, when and why.
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Post by quinlove on Feb 6, 2018 21:10:23 GMT
We went through this when our DD was 19, no physical abuse but heavy, controlling emotional abuse. Getting her out of that relationship was the hardest thing we ever did. She is an extremely loyal person who gives people she loves many chances. In this case, way too many chances. We ended up finding an awesome therapist who my DD liked as a person. SHE was the one who gave her the list of abusive behaviors and started the discussion. We never said a bad word about him until long after it was over, and left that to the therapist. Luckily for us, my DH and I were moving across country and DD agreed to go with us. We paid for a plane ticket so he could come visit, just to get her on that plane (he never used it). Once she was too far away for him to effectively manipulate and control, he just walked away. Had we not moved, I’m not sure it would have gone as well as it did. Sadly, moving also took her from the awesome therapist, but she did do therapy by phone for a long time afterward. My suggestion would be to ease up on badmouthing him, and convince her to go to therapy. Let the therapist be the realist about the situation. The parents need to be the support system here. Push too hard, and he may end up being a son-in-law. My biggest take away from this is that my DD was ashamed that someone she loved, and who she believed loved her, could treat her this way, and she just needed to try harder to make things better. Because he loved her!!. It’s very hard to recognize a narcissist when you are in the blush of true love.
I was involved with a narcissist for years; he was only my second serious relationship and it was bad. At the time no one could have told me that he wasn't a good person. It didn't help that my mother herself was a narc and there was no model for a healthy relationship anywhere around me.
It was not until I began seeing a therapist for a completely separate issue that I realized how horrible the relationship was, but I had to see and learn for myself. Maybe her family can convince her to go to a therapist to discuss her feelings about her mother, which will then open the discussion on issues that she may be having related to that trauma. Which could be potentially the reason why she is clinging so hard to an unhealthy relationship (because lemme tell you issues of rejection and abandonment can wreak havoc on someone's life).
Sadly so true, scrappyesq. Issues of rejection and abandonment are often the underlying reason people stay in bad relationships. Also are the issues of low self esteem. And, unfortunately, these issues are usually well known to the abuser and they use them to their advantage. Regarding donestic abuse - physical abuse is just the tip of the iceberg. The part you see. So much larger damage is being done that people don't see. Except in extreme cases - emotional abuse does more permanent damage than physical abuse.
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