scorpeao
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Post by scorpeao on Sept 9, 2014 16:55:26 GMT
What I've learned from this thread (and countless others) is don't let anyone stay at my house for an extended length of time. Such a shame. I think I'd still kick her ass out and deal with the consequences if she pursues the issue.
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Post by georgiapea on Sept 9, 2014 17:08:07 GMT
First thing I'd do is change all the door locks.
Then I'd tell her I was done with her and go over all the non compliant things she had done.
Next I'd put all her stuff into black garbage bags and set it outside.
I'm just not much for letting people walk all over me and take advantage.
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Post by mikklynn on Sept 9, 2014 17:33:09 GMT
Yikes...this is horrible!
Do what you have to do and do not feel guilty. She has taken advantage of you and endangered your home.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 17:37:47 GMT
You need to just throw her out.
Lessons learned from neighbor when they kicked their daughter out:
Change locks If you have a doggy door put a dual keyed lock on the door and never leave the key in it. Or some sort of lock at top of door. Reinforce any spot where you might have a room air conditioner. It can be push into the house. Bar any windows in your garage. Seriously why are there windows in garages? Make sure all windows are locked. (Their daughter rigged the window locks to look as if they were locked). So physically touch them. Remember screens can be easily popped out. Have somebody keep an eye on your home when you aren't there. Put security screen doors on. I have the roll down screen one. Keep them locked. My neighbors have keyed ones.
Buy a safe for meds. My neighbor' s have a small shelf one but it was the best one they could afford. The daughter tried to break into it but failed. A sledge hammer was taken to it and it held.
Make sure your son knows not to go anywhere with her or with anyone who says they are friends with her. And not to let them in the house.
They are considering an alarm system for their house.
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Post by maryland on Sept 9, 2014 17:41:33 GMT
I understand why you want her out. You and your dad tried to help, set simple common sense rules (you even let her use half her money as she chooses, I would have expected half saved for apt. and the other half rent for being able to stay there (housing, utilities, food). You as the daughter should come first. You are working hard. She is setting a bad example for your son.
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Post by gottapeanow on Sept 9, 2014 17:42:30 GMT
Do you have a lease with her? Does she have any household bills in her name? A tenant is a person who pays to live somewhere. These are things that establish tenancy.
I think tenant rights only apply to paying tenants.
If she pays no rent, she has no tenant rights, and no eviction is needed. In that case, you can make her leave now. You should be able to find information regarding this in your state.
She needs to be gone. Yesterday.
So sorry you are dealing with this - hugs and prayers to you.
Lisa
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Post by oaksong on Sept 9, 2014 17:44:50 GMT
She needs to leave. She'll figure it out, or maybe she'll be homeless. You need to put your family's safety first. What a heartbreaking situation. You've done what you can, and there is nothing you can do to help her if she won't help herself.
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Post by hennybutton on Sept 9, 2014 17:46:54 GMT
Do you have a lease with her? Does she have any household bills in her name? A tenant is a person who pays to live somewhere. These are things that establish tenancy. I think tenant rights only apply to paying tenants. If she pays no rent, she has no tenant rights, and no eviction is needed. In that case, you can make her leave now. You should be able to find information regarding this in your state. She needs to be gone. Yesterday. So sorry you are dealing with this - hugs and prayers to you. Lisa Depends on the state. Here in California, the laws make it really hard to get squatters out.
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Post by giatocj on Sept 9, 2014 17:49:25 GMT
If she doesn't legally live there and she has only been crashing on the couch then why evict her? Eviction gives certain rights to the person there and you don't want to do that. I would follow the restraining order proceedings and say she was a guest who is no longer welcome. She doesn't won the house and doesn't pay rent - don't give her squatting power by evicting her - which I believe acknowledges that she does in fact have a right to be there which she doesn't. Because different areas have different residency laws...she may have no choice but to formally evict.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 17:51:26 GMT
I hate to do this but where are her parents? How come either of them can't come and get her? If I ever (ever, ever) did that to my parents when I was that age they would have kicked me out and said sayonara and don't come back. Having a young child in the home is worrisome for sure. I would call the landlord tenancy act in the Province you are in (I take it you are in Canada as you called perogies perogies and not pierogies the way Americans do). A call to social services and mental health services would also be a good idea. You shouldn't need anxiety medication to live in your own house because of a tenant like her. Your doctor would tell you the same thing we are, get rid of her. She isn't your child. She is a niece.
Good luck op! I hope it works out for you.
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Post by freebird on Sept 9, 2014 17:56:20 GMT
My advice is to make sure you're following your state's eviction laws. She sounds like she could get ugly if you don't.
This thread makes me appreciate the fact that my SS JUST eating all my food and not doing the chores we ask. (he leaves Friday. we're all ready).
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 9, 2014 18:01:56 GMT
they have no where else to go. The background info (sorry, it is VERY long): I own a home with my father. We share the common areas, but have our own bedroom sections. My dad is on one end of the house with his own bathroom, and my son and I are on the other end with our bathroom. We have a basement, not finished. Almost 4 months ago, my niece (my dad's granddaughter) moved in with us. She had broken up with her boyfriend, lost her job, and had no where else to go. We do not have a spare bedroom. It's a 4 bedroom house, but I used the extra room for my office (I work full time from home, and have to have a office with a closed door as I answer phones) So that means my niece has been sleeping either on the couch in our living room, or on a futon in the basement. No one is supposed to sleep in basement as it only has one exit, but she does anyways. She is 22, did not finish high school, and has health problems. She only has one kidney, that functions at a very low percent, and she has very high blood pressure, so she is on medication. She only takes her medication when she feels like it. When she moved in here, we told her that if she wanted to stay, she had to take GED classes, get her driver's license and get a job and put at least half the money away for an apartment. She also needed to follow some basic rules: Clean up after herself, absolutely no overnight guests (my son is only 12, and I don't want strange men in the house) and no coming and going in the middle of the night as I am a very light sleeper and start work at 7 am. She has done the exact opposite of everything. She only took 2 GED classes, and won't go to anymore. Hasn't tried to get her license, and has gotten 2 jobs so far, but lost them both after a week, because she shows up late and doesn't wear her uniforms. She has no job now. She also has not followed any house rules. She makes a mess every night, and leaves food out also. Every morning I get up, the kitchen is a mess, and this morning, for example, there was a whole box of perogies from the freezer, and a container of potato salad sitting out, which we had to throw out. She uses all my bath towels and won't wash any. The basement has her stuff all over the floor. I'm a neat person, I can't stand it. She comes and goes all night. She gets drunk every day!!! At night she will be outside yelling into her phone. I'm afraid the neighbors are getting pissed (i know I am). She leaves cigarette butts all over our yard (none of us smoke) beer cans, etc. She is a nasty drinker. I mean really nasty. We've gotten in multiple screaming matches. She has called me stupid, a bitch. Been mean to my father. She almost got into a fist fight with him the one night. We had the police bring her back one night because she got into a fight with her boyfriend. She has also, 2 different times, 2 times each so 4 nights, snuck guys in the house. I've gone in the basement in the morning, and there they are. One guy, got into a fist fight with her afterwards. The other has a felony for domestic violence. We've had kitchen knives go missing too that we know she took, as one we found in her purse. She also forgets to lock the front door, so all night, with us sleeping my front door is unlocked. It got so bad, I put a keyed lock on the door to my section of the house. We have a door to a hallway that goes to my sons and my bedroom, office and bathroom. I lock it when we go to bed. The only reason she is still here is because of my dad. I want her out. I just can't take it anymore. I don't feel safe my son and I are safe with her around. I told him that she either goes, or we can sell the house and my son and I will get her own place (yes that is how bad it is) Everytime we try to talk to her, she blames us for everything. All her health problem, her being depressed. She was referred to a therapist, but won't go. I think she has other mental problems as well. My dad had a car for her that he finally sold last week, as he was sick of insuring/registering it (can't keep unplated cars in driveways here). He put the $1,500 away for her so she has enough for a deposit/first months rent on an apartment. Since she has moved in, I've gone on anxiety medication because I am so upset all the time. My dad has been having chest pains. My son was crying one night when she was screaming, and wanted to know why she just wouldn't leave. I've told her she needs to be gone by the end of the month. My dad finally agrees with me, as he can't handle the stress of her being here. The problem is, she won't look for an apartment, won't look for another job. She is too interested in getting drunk. I'm worried when the end of the month comes, he will give in and let her stay. I'm going to start eviction proceedings if that is the case. The problem is, how do you handle just kicking out someone with no place to go. My dad is worried about her. I'm worried the emotional part will be very hard on him. I do worry what will happen to her, I think she could end up on the street. At this point though, I feel I have no choice. My son comes first, she is a grown woman.Her dad is a alchoholic as well, and won't be any help. Her mom told us she wouldn't take her, because last time she lived with her she almost had a nervous breakdown. I need any advice anyone who has btdt can give me. TIA Holy shit!!! You poor thing! I say change the locks on all the doors with some of the $$$ from the car sale, pack up all her shit and put it on the porch. If you think she will be destructive call the sheriff. You do not need to formally evict a guest in your home! I would put her to the curb now, stop all the nonsense because you know that in the next 2 weeks she is not going to get a job, a car, or an apartment. Get her out now, if not for you--for your son. He is learning shit he doesn't need to know, see, or ever experience!
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Post by Legacy Girl on Sept 9, 2014 18:05:33 GMT
I usually fall on the side of mercy (just the way I'm wired), but in this situation, it occurs to me that shelters and other social service agencies, who are far better equipped to deal with these situations than you or I might be, would never put up with these behaviors, and she would be out on the curb. If THEY wouldn't be willing to deal with her attitudes and behaviors, why should you? And if your response is "because she's family," my reply would be, "She isn't offering you a modicum of familial respect or cooperation. She's taking advantage of you. She needs to go." I know it won't be easy, but you and your dad and your son deserve to live peacefully and in good health.
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Post by omarakbt on Sept 9, 2014 18:08:05 GMT
You've given her a date to be out by. You can drive her to social services to get her started on her welfare, food stamps whatever. If she doesn't have stuff packed, the day before she is due out, pack all of her belongings, drive her to a shelter, have a locksmith come and change ALL the locks, rekey the garage if you have a keyless entry. Or pack her and drop her off at her moms. Her mom can make the decision to allow her in or leave her homeless.
But she needs out and the sooner the better. Since violence has become an issue a police report might also be in order
Diane
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Post by redayh on Sept 9, 2014 18:09:41 GMT
You actually DO need to evict a guest in your home if they are getting mail there or have established residency in some way, even if they don't pay (depending on the state). I don't know what state you are in, but I would give her a written notice of eviction that gives her 30 days to go (or whatever your state requires). Then on day 31 lock her out.
In many states a non-paying guest is still construed as a tenant and has rights.
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Post by julieb on Sept 9, 2014 18:09:57 GMT
Where are her parents?
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Post by julieb on Sept 9, 2014 18:10:55 GMT
This law just floors me.
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Post by redayh on Sept 9, 2014 18:12:06 GMT
I forgot to add...
Of course, if you feel that she is a danger, you can get an Order of Protection and get her out of there immediately.
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Post by msliz on Sept 9, 2014 18:34:24 GMT
Wow.
I'd print out this thread, head to a lawyer, and start asking all my questions before I did anything else.
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Post by cade387 on Sept 9, 2014 18:36:28 GMT
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Post by Nink on Sept 9, 2014 18:40:04 GMT
I forgot to add... Of course, if you feel that she is a danger, you can get an Order of Protection and get her out of there immediately. This is definitely what I would do.
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Post by azredhead on Sept 9, 2014 18:46:43 GMT
UGGGHH I cringe reading your post and totally know what your talking about. My step sister is doing the same thing with my brother and his family and he has four little girls and his wife. The wife feels bad because otherwise step sister is homeless. She's 34 but the same exact story. In fact I was up visiting them this weekend. They had helped her a while back and let her stay with them for three months. She comes to them when she gets kicked out of somewhere. My brother told her NO more. She needed to figure her 'stuff' out and grow up. Well yesterday she showed up on their doorstep. They told her she had to go to a shelter or somewhere else. They made her make her arrangements my brother let him use her cell phone and then dropped her off. I'm glad he's finally telling her no more. It's not safe for them. I doubt she will stay gone for good though. I hope you get her out and get her out soon, even if you do have to drop her off at a shelter somewhere. We didn't tell my parents because my step dad gets really mad if they knew they were even helping her. She did some very bad things to my parents so they want nothing to do with her. I totally feel for you,... I hope you can get it resolved quickly even if it's out of the house.
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Post by gailoh on Sept 9, 2014 18:55:13 GMT
Just agreeing with the others....she is using you and your dad...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 19:08:48 GMT
You sound like a wonderful person, and I know it will be very hard for you to put her out, despite all her shortcomings. If not, you would already have done so. I do agree with the others who have suggested she needs to make other living arrangements. You can put her in contact with social services, but she needs to make the arrangements for that herself.
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Post by ladytrisha on Sept 9, 2014 19:33:33 GMT
Been there, done that - albeit without quite so much piled on.
First - YES YES YES, kick her ass out. You can try bluffing her - saying "get your stuff, you have an hour" and give her the name and number of your nearest Salvation Army shelter.
I had to do it with my sister ... honestly the only reason I could do it is that my parents were unreachable in England so she couldn't beg "I'll be better" ... she HAD to hit bottom and our "helping" wasn't doing anything except enabling.
If she's savvy enough to figure out that you can't kick her out (because of the time she's been there), then go see a Landlord/Tenant attorney - make sure (please) that they know all the extras of "room rentals" ... you want to make sure there are no delays.
And kick her ass OUT! Now! My heart hurts for you and your son having to deal with this mess.
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Post by shevy on Sept 9, 2014 20:11:31 GMT
Start eviction now. It can take sometimes 60 days for an eviction to go through in my county so you're looking at the rest of the year! At least find out what it takes to evict so you know how long you have.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Sept 9, 2014 20:16:37 GMT
I had a whole long reply typed out and the board ate it. Suffice it to say, I can relate to your situation and it's my sister that's the problem here. No where to go but no progress in 3 years and she's nearly 55! No job, car, money, friends, and rarely leaves our house. She's called the cops on me twice, calls me vulgar names when she's mad and I think even called CPS (they called twice and visited once). Last time the cops were here, they recommended starting eviction proceedings but it would upset my elderly mom too much. The kids and DH don't even like her here (mom pays her rent to me). It's a bad situation with no end in sight. I hope you can rid of your niece though. Good luck.
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Post by azredhead on Sept 9, 2014 20:27:07 GMT
a restraining order is a good option too, when the threat is there you can make that known to your local authorities. In our case it's my wicked step sister and what she brings with her and who. And when she gets drunk and goes into a rage. That's good for kids or the parents or your family. That's why wicked step sisters been kicked out of a few shelters already. A restraining order would help to keep her out of your house.
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Post by moveablefeast on Sept 9, 2014 20:31:05 GMT
In my state, I am not a landlord and she is not a tenant because I own only one unit and live in it (therefore it is a private residence and she is a guest, not a renter) and because she pays no rent and has no rental agreement. She has no protections and I can and would ask her to be on her way.
I have a niece living with me right now who for various reasons is on very thin ice and is quite likely going to be shown the door at some point. For a lot of the same reasons. I have done everything I can for her for the last two years and frankly I don't need to be taken advantage of and treated poorly in my own home, which I work my ass off for and which she lives in rent free. I just haven't figured out how to handle it in a productive way just yet.
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Post by ChicagoKTS on Sept 9, 2014 20:31:17 GMT
I would change the locks and have a monitored security system put in to cover all the doors and windows of the house. While it is best to consult a lawyer, I am not sure someone can be considered a resident if the person doesn't contribute to the household financially and on a regular basis a doesn't have a room of her own.
I am sorry you are going through this miserable situation.
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