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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2018 0:33:52 GMT
I'm a conservative, and wouldn't feel my children (or grandchildren) were very safe if the teachers had guns. Nope. I've seen some teachers lose their tempers!! (I can't blame them sometimes--they had 30 kids in a classroom--I only had 4 at home, and lost my temper at times!!) All the teachers I know personally are amazing people, and wouldn't want them to have to have a gun on them!! The other issue with armed teachers is how would law enforcement know who were the teachers and who were the bad guys? Like anyone has time to say No, I am a good guy! 3 big bad kids and they've got the teacher's gun! Not the first time a teacher would have been assaulted.....even by one kid.
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Post by imsirius on Feb 21, 2018 0:37:49 GMT
Trumpsters are gobbling up the claim that the high schoolers were actors. They are posting it all over Trump's twitter page.
It's disgusting.
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Post by pyccku on Feb 21, 2018 0:43:02 GMT
As a teacher, I want to know: how much more is going to be asked of me?
As it is, I am sometimes a parent to these kids - I help them plan for college and I get on them to get their homework done so they can pass their classes. I encourage them when they need it and I give them a stern talking to when they slack off. I do a lot of that, because many parents don't seem to care. I know that they love their children, they just don't have the time at the end of the day to check grades, or they don't have a computer and can't log in to the system like I can. As it is, I am sometimes a nurse to these kids - I supply them with bandaids, feminine pads, kleenex and remind them to wash their hands and use the sanitizer. As it is, I am sometimes a counselor to these kids - I listen to them when they have a problem that they don't know how to deal with and don't know who to talk to.
I spend money out of my own pocket to buy books, pencils, fun stuff for the classroom. I spend time out of my evenings and weekends looking for new ideas, best practices, and ways to get them motivated. I have given them food from my own lunch when they were hungry.
Always, I am an advocate for these kids. I will speak up for them when they are being treated badly, I will write letters of recommendation, I will give them hugs and cheer like you wouldn't believe when I watch them march across the stage in May.
And now I am being asked to become an armed guard for them. There was always the expectation that if the unthinkable happened, I would be the one who goes in the hall and locks the door. I'm the one who turns off the lights and makes sure the kids have the safest, best hiding places. I'm the one who has thought about the angles that are visible from the hall and whether or not it's safer to stay in the classroom, or to try to get into the interior workroom with an extra door in the way.
Now it's going to be my job to have a weapon, secure the weapon, train with the weapon, and learn when and when not to shoot the weapon? I'm going to be the one who locks my kids in the room and then goes searching for the bad guy?
That's the point at which I draw the line. I'm not Superman, I'm only a teacher.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 0:51:29 GMT
As a teacher, I want to know: how much more is going to be asked of me?
That's the point at which I draw the line. I'm not Superman, I'm only a teacher. Only a teacher??? Geeze! Sounds like you do quite enough! good for you for being a caring and compationate teacher.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2018 0:51:42 GMT
Trumpsters are gobbling up the claim that the high schoolers were actors. They are posting it all over Trump's twitter page. It's disgusting. I posted the article about Rubio's disclaimer on Page 9 , just before this page.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 1:06:10 GMT
From Reuters... “Top court rejects challenge to California gun waiting period“ Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday turned away a constitutional challenge brought by gun rights activists to a California law imposing a 10-day waiting period for the purchase of firearms, intended to guard against impulsive violence and suicides. Signaling its continued reluctance to step into the growing national debate over gun control, the nine justices left in place a lower court ruling that upheld the waiting period put in place in the Democratic-governed state that has some of the broadest U.S. firearms restrictions. Conservative Justice Clarence Thomas dissented from the court's decision not to hear the case. Gun rights groups and individual gun owners had argued that the measure violated their right to keep and bear arms under the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment. The challengers did not seek to invalidate California's waiting period for everyone, just for people who already own guns and have passed a background check. Scolding his colleagues for not taking up the case, Thomas wrote in his dissent that the "Second Amendment is a disfavored right in this court." The Supreme Court has not taken up a major firearms case since issuing important gun rulings in 2008 and 2010.“ Ok this group took CA 10 day waiting period for the purchase of guns all they way to the Supreme Court and used the old “infringed on their right to keep and bear arms” not because they were against the 10 day waiting period but against the part that the 10 day waiting period applies to all gun purchases and it didn’t matter if one already owned guns or not. I’m sure it could be annoying to some gun owners anxious to buy a new toy but just how does that “infringe on their right to bear arms”?And then you have Clarence Thomas getting all huffy because the court didn’t take up this silly case. Ah as you write these things out sometimes you get your answer. My guess is the gun crowd wants to define “infringe” to mean there should be nothing standing in your way to buy guns when you want, how many you want, what size magazine you want, what type of guns you want and how many bullets you want. In other words remove any restrictions against gun ownership by defining the word “infringe” and how it applies to the 2nd Amendment. THAT'S how it infringes on the right to bear arms. There is No statistical evidence that a waiting period for handgun purchases reduces violence.
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Post by imsirius on Feb 21, 2018 1:07:35 GMT
Trumpsters are gobbling up the claim that the high schoolers were actors. They are posting it all over Trump's twitter page. It's disgusting. I posted the article about Rubio's disclaimer on Page 9 , just before this page. Yes, I was commenting on your post...don't know why it didn't quote!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 1:13:03 GMT
Fox News.. “.@newtgingrich: Every school should have a minimum of 6-8 armed teachers who are trained in the use of firearms and are prepared to defend students” To me it’s this kind of comment that not just suggests but flat out says the war is lost and let’s surrender. And it’s not helpful at all. At what point did it become ok for schools to become fortresses with armed teachers?When deranged nut jobs decided to show up and kill our children. Why wouldn't you want to do whatever it takes to protect the children while we wait for something to get done?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 1:16:59 GMT
Fox News.. “.@newtgingrich: Every school should have a minimum of 6-8 armed teachers who are trained in the use of firearms and are prepared to defend students” To me it’s this kind of comment that not just suggests but flat out says the war is lost and let’s surrender. And it’s not helpful at all. At what point did it become ok for schools to become fortresses with armed teachers? Can you even imagine being in the position of being the armed teacher who is faced with the decision of having to shoot a student they once taught? 😳 I’m pretty sure none of the teachers I personally know would ever sign up for that knowing it could potentially happen. And then continuing with that logic, what happens when the armed teacher does shoot and/or kill the former student and that person’s parents or family goes on to sue the school? To me it seems like that scenario would create way more problems than it would potentially solve. And then continuing with that logic, what happens when 17 families decide to sue the school because they didn't do that to protect their children while we wait for something to get done?
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Post by Just T on Feb 21, 2018 1:21:00 GMT
Fox News.. “.@newtgingrich: Every school should have a minimum of 6-8 armed teachers who are trained in the use of firearms and are prepared to defend students” To me it’s this kind of comment that not just suggests but flat out says the war is lost and let’s surrender. And it’s not helpful at all. At what point did it become ok for schools to become fortresses with armed teachers?When deranged nut jobs decided to show up and kill our children. Why wouldn't you want to do whatever it takes to protect the children while we wait for something to get done? Why wouldn't you want tougher laws to protect children? Based on what I read from you here on a regular basis, I don't think you care about that at all. You seem to care way more about protecting your right to own whatever kind of gun you want with no restrictions at all than you do about protecting the lives of innocent people, who are also guaranteed the right to LIFE by our constitution.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 1:31:43 GMT
Fox News.. “.@newtgingrich: Every school should have a minimum of 6-8 armed teachers who are trained in the use of firearms and are prepared to defend students” To me it’s this kind of comment that not just suggests but flat out says the war is lost and let’s surrender. And it’s not helpful at all. At what point did it become ok for schools to become fortresses with armed teachers? This makes me absolutely furious. No, no, no. It is our job to teach children, not act as vigilante law enforcers. Can you imagine if a teacher accidentally left her gun unsecured and a student got it? Remember that we have kids with real mental health issues in schools. We also have babies who don’t understand that the gun will kill them. Law enforcement is a real, full time job - not something teachers do on the side. As if we didn’t have enough to do already. Stupid, arrogant blowhard. The gun lovers created this problem; they should fucking fix it instead of putting yet another burden on teachers. Honestly - why is it everyone else’s responsibility to fix this, or to make a world where we can all have guns without consequences. Selfish fucking bastards. Sorry, this is a hot button for me today. A parent offered to buy me a gun to keep in the classroom this morning since my room is closest to the front door. He was quite insistent. I had to be calm and professional with him; here you get what I really wanted to say. And how very apropos that Newt was protected by trained professionals while in Congress, but wants schools to manage with DIY armed defense. Fucking fuckers and their fucking stupid gun obsession. How about it not be the teachers then, but trained professionals? I saw someone suggest that we could put veterans who're looking for a job, to work. Or LEO who're looking for extra work or between jobs.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2018 1:31:50 GMT
And then continuing with that logic, what happens when 17 families decide to sue the school because they didn't do that to protect their children while we wait for something to get done? Unfortunately, many balls have been dropped with this particular case by numerous authorities/agencies/departments. Every one who has been involved with him most of his life.
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Post by Just T on Feb 21, 2018 1:35:42 GMT
This makes me absolutely furious. No, no, no. It is our job to teach children, not act as vigilante law enforcers. Can you imagine if a teacher accidentally left her gun unsecured and a student got it? Remember that we have kids with real mental health issues in schools. We also have babies who don’t understand that the gun will kill them. Law enforcement is a real, full time job - not something teachers do on the side. As if we didn’t have enough to do already. Stupid, arrogant blowhard. The gun lovers created this problem; they should fucking fix it instead of putting yet another burden on teachers. Honestly - why is it everyone else’s responsibility to fix this, or to make a world where we can all have guns without consequences. Selfish fucking bastards. Sorry, this is a hot button for me today. A parent offered to buy me a gun to keep in the classroom this morning since my room is closest to the front door. He was quite insistent. I had to be calm and professional with him; here you get what I really wanted to say. And how very apropos that Newt was protected by trained professionals while in Congress, but wants schools to manage with DIY armed defense. Fucking fuckers and their fucking stupid gun obsession. How about it not be the teachers then, but trained professionals? I saw someone suggest that we could put veterans who're looking for a job, to work. Or LEO who're looking for extra work or between jobs. Is that really what you want our country to become? A place where little children's schools have to staffed with armed military to keep kids safe? Wow. I no longer have kids in school, but I may someday have grandkids, and this is NOT what I want for the future.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2018 1:37:36 GMT
How about it not be the teachers then, but trained professionals? I saw someone suggest that we could put veterans who're looking for a job, to work. Or LEO who're looking for extra work or between jobs. School district of East Brunswick, NJ has 70 some 'security officers'. The other night they voted to also have an armed police officer in each of their 11 schools. There is a cost factor, because it is an extra job they will probably be paid the overtime rate. And different officers every other day or however their regular work shifts go.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 1:43:15 GMT
When deranged nut jobs decided to show up and kill our children. Why wouldn't you want to do whatever it takes to protect the children while we wait for something to get done? Why wouldn't you want tougher laws to protect children? Based on what I read from you here on a regular basis, I don't think you care about that at all. You seem to care way more about protecting your right to own whatever kind of gun you want with no restrictions at all than you do about protecting the lives of innocent people, who are also guaranteed the right to LIFE by our constitution. Then you haven't read everything that I've said on the subject.
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 21, 2018 1:43:38 GMT
This makes me absolutely furious. No, no, no. It is our job to teach children, not act as vigilante law enforcers. Can you imagine if a teacher accidentally left her gun unsecured and a student got it? Remember that we have kids with real mental health issues in schools. We also have babies who don’t understand that the gun will kill them. Law enforcement is a real, full time job - not something teachers do on the side. As if we didn’t have enough to do already. Stupid, arrogant blowhard. The gun lovers created this problem; they should fucking fix it instead of putting yet another burden on teachers. Honestly - why is it everyone else’s responsibility to fix this, or to make a world where we can all have guns without consequences. Selfish fucking bastards. Sorry, this is a hot button for me today. A parent offered to buy me a gun to keep in the classroom this morning since my room is closest to the front door. He was quite insistent. I had to be calm and professional with him; here you get what I really wanted to say. And how very apropos that Newt was protected by trained professionals while in Congress, but wants schools to manage with DIY armed defense. Fucking fuckers and their fucking stupid gun obsession. How about it not be the teachers then, but trained professionals? I saw someone suggest that we could put veterans who're looking for a job, to work. Or LEO who're looking for extra work or between jobs. Where is the money going to come from to pay all these armored guards at all of the public schools? Education budgets are almost always the first things to get slashed. Happens every year, and schools already are stretched to their limits. They cannot afford to pay private security details.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2018 1:46:13 GMT
This makes me absolutely furious. No, no, no. It is our job to teach children, not act as vigilante law enforcers. Can you imagine if a teacher accidentally left her gun unsecured and a student got it? Remember that we have kids with real mental health issues in schools. We also have babies who don’t understand that the gun will kill them. Law enforcement is a real, full time job - not something teachers do on the side. As if we didn’t have enough to do already. Stupid, arrogant blowhard. The gun lovers created this problem; they should fucking fix it instead of putting yet another burden on teachers. Honestly - why is it everyone else’s responsibility to fix this, or to make a world where we can all have guns without consequences. Selfish fucking bastards. Sorry, this is a hot button for me today. A parent offered to buy me a gun to keep in the classroom this morning since my room is closest to the front door. He was quite insistent. I had to be calm and professional with him; here you get what I really wanted to say. And how very apropos that Newt was protected by trained professionals while in Congress, but wants schools to manage with DIY armed defense. Fucking fuckers and their fucking stupid gun obsession. How about it not be the teachers then, but trained professionals? I saw someone suggest that we could put veterans who're looking for a job, to work. Or LEO who're looking for extra work or between jobs. Who’s going to pay? My district is facing a $20M budget shortfall and 20% reduction in staff in some schools next year because the gun lovers in our legislature refuse to adequately fund our schools. Shall we just cut a couple more teaching positions to pay for armed guards? Maybe the custodians? You know what’s free? Not selling guns to crazy people. Not selling guns to anyone without stringent checks and a mental health exam. Recognizing that the wild re-interpretation of the 2nd that took place in the 70s was a crazy, NRA-funded boondoggle that has led us down the path where we need to contemplate armed guards in schools. Setting aside self interest for the good of the next generation. All pretty much free. But sure, let’s cut the music teacher and replace her with an armed guard because 2nd amendment, baby!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 1:46:42 GMT
And then continuing with that logic, what happens when 17 families decide to sue the school because they didn't do that to protect their children while we wait for something to get done? Unfortunately, many balls have been dropped with this particular case by numerous authorities/agencies/departments. Every one who has been involved with him most of his life. I'm talking about the next time. Since this is a solution proposed, that we can put in place while we work on effective enforcement of current laws and fixing the gaps. That takes time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 1:48:25 GMT
How about it not be the teachers then, but trained professionals? I saw someone suggest that we could put veterans who're looking for a job, to work. Or LEO who're looking for extra work or between jobs. Is that really what you want our country to become? A place where little children's schools have to staffed with armed military to keep kids safe? Wow. I no longer have kids in school, but I may someday have grandkids, and this is NOT what I want for the future. Is leaving them to be fish in a barrel while we wait for a legal fix what you really want? Wow. Because that is the here and now.
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2018 1:52:23 GMT
Is that really what you want our country to become? A place where little children's schools have to staffed with armed military to keep kids safe? Wow. I no longer have kids in school, but I may someday have grandkids, and this is NOT what I want for the future. Is leaving them to be fish in a barrel while we wait for a legal fix what you really want? Wow. Because that is the here and now. Why do we have to wait any longer for a legal fix? What is preventing congress from taking care of this right now? Other than their NRA donors, of course.
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Post by Just T on Feb 21, 2018 1:54:42 GMT
Is that really what you want our country to become? A place where little children's schools have to staffed with armed military to keep kids safe? Wow. I no longer have kids in school, but I may someday have grandkids, and this is NOT what I want for the future. Is leaving them to be fish in a barrel while we wait for a legal fix what you really want? Wow. Because that is the here and now. Wow They are a "fish in a barrel" because of people like you who think that common sense gun control laws violate your rights to own whatever the hell weapons you want with no restrictions at all. I am just shocked that your answer to the problem is to put armed military in schools. Well, not really shocked at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 1:56:27 GMT
How about it not be the teachers then, but trained professionals? I saw someone suggest that we could put veterans who're looking for a job, to work. Or LEO who're looking for extra work or between jobs. Who’s going to pay? My district is facing a $20M budget shortfall and 20% reduction in staff in some schools next year because the gun lovers in our legislature refuse to adequately fund our schools. Shall we just cut a couple more teaching positions to pay for armed guards? Maybe the custodians? You know what’s free? Not selling guns to crazy people. Not selling guns to anyone without stringent checks and a mental health exam. Recognizing that the wild re-interpretation of the 2nd that took place in the 70s was a crazy, NRA-funded boondoggle that has led us down the path where we need to contemplate armed guards in schools. Setting aside self interest for the good of the next generation. All pretty much free. But sure, let’s cut the music teacher and replace her with an armed guard because 2nd amendment, baby! Departments of Homeland Security, Education and Justice have been called on to coordinate school safety efforts and provide grant money for schools to assess their ability to prevent and respond to attacks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 1:57:24 GMT
Is leaving them to be fish in a barrel while we wait for a legal fix what you really want? Wow. Because that is the here and now. Why do we have to wait any longer for a legal fix? What is preventing congress from taking care of this right now? Other than their NRA donors, of course. What is the legal fix that would stop this?
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2018 2:00:49 GMT
Why do we have to wait any longer for a legal fix? What is preventing congress from taking care of this right now? Other than their NRA donors, of course. What is the legal fix that would stop this? I’m sure whatever the NRA fights hardest against is exactly what would fix this. You’re the one who brought up “waiting for a legal fix.” Are we really? Or are we just giving up and admitting that our schools have to have multiple armed guards paid for in perpetuity by the government? It seems that actual fiscal conservatives might favor looking for free, legislative solutions over putting hundreds of thousands of armed guards on the government payroll.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 2:01:29 GMT
Is leaving them to be fish in a barrel while we wait for a legal fix what you really want? Wow. Because that is the here and now. Wow They are a "fish in a barrel" because of people like you who think that common sense gun control laws violate your rights to own whatever the hell weapons you want with no restrictions at all. I am just shocked that your answer to the problem is to put armed military in schools. Well, not really shocked at all. They are fish in a barrel because of deranged shooters, of which I am not one. Your personal attacks accusing me of being the cause of children getting shot are not conducive to rational, civil discussion. I'm looking for solutions to kids dying.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 2:02:28 GMT
What is the legal fix that would stop this? I’m sure whatever the NRA fights hardest against is exactly what would fix this. Which is what?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 21, 2018 2:03:27 GMT
Departments of Homeland Security, Education and Justice have been called on to coordinate school safety efforts and provide grant money for schools to assess their ability to prevent and respond to attacks. Unfortunately, the proposed FED budget includes reductions of monies for school security, mental health among many other things that have been discussed here in the last week or 2 or 3.......
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2018 2:03:53 GMT
I’m sure whatever the NRA fights hardest against is exactly what would fix this. Which is what? I named several things in my first response to you.
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 21, 2018 2:04:25 GMT
Trumpsters are gobbling up the claim that the high schoolers were actors. They are posting it all over Trump's twitter page. It's disgusting. Trumpsters or Russian bots?
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Post by Merge on Feb 21, 2018 2:04:48 GMT
Wow They are a "fish in a barrel" because of people like you who think that common sense gun control laws violate your rights to own whatever the hell weapons you want with no restrictions at all. I am just shocked that your answer to the problem is to put armed military in schools. Well, not really shocked at all. They are fish in a barrel because of deranged shooters, of which I am not one. Your personal attacks accusing me of being the cause of children getting shot are not conducive to rational, civil discussion. I'm looking for solutions to kids dying. Sure, as long as those solutions don’t personally inconvenience you.
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