Olan
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Post by Olan on Feb 19, 2018 18:30:11 GMT
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Post by busy on Feb 19, 2018 18:35:27 GMT
I don't necessarily have a problem with JROTC (though a varsity shooting team seems so weird to me) but I have a huge problem that this kid had multiple known behavioral issues and was allowed to continue to participate in the program.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 18:44:06 GMT
So? What is your discussion point? Both of my sons were on the JROTC rifle team. They were both interested in a military career (one became a Marine, the other joined the National Guard then worked as security with a contracting company in Iraq after we pulled all the military out) The marksman ship he first learned in JROTC was a major part of him doing well in his job. He has a pretty long list of politicians that visited Iraq and he had a key role in their safety while they were there. Tens of thousands of kids go through the JROTC marksmanship program. They've not been involved in school shootings
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Post by *leslie* on Feb 19, 2018 18:46:17 GMT
What's your point? JROTC is at every high school campus in our district.
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Post by Olan on Feb 19, 2018 18:51:40 GMT
So? What is your discussion point? Both of my sons were on the JROTC rifle team. They were both interested in a military career (one became a Marine, the other joined the National Guard then worked as security with a contracting company in Iraq after we pulled all the military out) The marksman ship he first learned in JROTC was a major part of him doing well in his job. He has a pretty long list of politicians that visited Iraq and he had a key role in their safety while they were there. Tens of thousands of kids go through the JROTC marksmanship program. They've not been involved in school shootings So? My point was to open it up for discussion. The news article that was posted. My high school had an active ROTC program but not an NRA funded rifle team so I wondered how common that was.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 19:00:32 GMT
So? What is your discussion point? Both of my sons were on the JROTC rifle team. They were both interested in a military career (one became a Marine, the other joined the National Guard then worked as security with a contracting company in Iraq after we pulled all the military out) The marksman ship he first learned in JROTC was a major part of him doing well in his job. He has a pretty long list of politicians that visited Iraq and he had a key role in their safety while they were there. Tens of thousands of kids go through the JROTC marksmanship program. They've not been involved in school shootings So? My point was to open it up for discussion. The news article that was posted. My high school had an active ROTC program but not an NRA funded rifle team so I wondered how common that was. Who funded your high school's JROTC?
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Post by hop2 on Feb 19, 2018 19:02:57 GMT
Um only ‘rifle’ Team we have is the better participants of colorguard who can handle a ‘rifle’ which is just a rifle shaped piece of wood.
We do not have a marksmanship team at school.
But if we did I’d expect them to go thru the same physical required for every other extra curricular activity that everyone else has to turn in prior to participating. Which now includes a mental health questionnaire, while not much it’s a start. And they didn’t start including it because of shootings but because of the high rate of suicide. And I know a kid who was referred to a physchologist because of it.
ETA: don’t think we have jrotc
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Post by Olan on Feb 19, 2018 19:04:20 GMT
So? My point was to open it up for discussion. The news article that was posted. My high school had an active ROTC program but not an NRA funded rifle team so I wondered how common that was. Who funded your high school's JROTC? I'm unsure. Did your high school have a rifle team? Is it the same as the JROTC program?
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Post by *leslie* on Feb 19, 2018 19:08:03 GMT
I think you're confusing the rifle teams that march with marching bands and JROTC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 19:08:30 GMT
Who funded your high school's JROTC? I'm unsure. Did your high school have a rifle team? Is it the same as the JROTC program? No, mine had neither. From what I understand, JROTC is partially funded by the military, of course, and it is common for the NRA to contribute funding for what isn't covered by the military.
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Post by CarefreeSadie on Feb 19, 2018 19:12:46 GMT
We have a local jr and high school shooting team which is run independently from the school. I am not sure how that works because they do sign ups at the school but shoot at a gun club. The people running it are not affiliated with the school system. The funding comes from the club fees and sponsorships which are 200 per kid which allows for a buy one box of required shells get one free. The shooters have to use their own guns but the shells are supplied by the gun club.. They only shoot at clay pigeons and are taught gun safety which is either followed or the child is asked to leave and not come back. The parents are heavily involved in the program. There is no NRA funding for this shooting program.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 19:13:36 GMT
Point of reference:
ROTC = Reserve Officer Training Corp. This program provides scholarships to college students and a path to an officer commission in the US Army.
JROTC = Junior Reserve Officer Training Corp. This program is open to HIGH SCHOOL students. It does not provide college scholarships or a path to a commission in the Army. This program is to give a taste of military life and studies to high school students who might be considering a military career. My boys had classes in military history, leadership, orienteering, basic survival (very very basic) marksmanship and probably other stuff I'm forgetting right now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 19:17:16 GMT
So? My point was to open it up for discussion. The news article that was posted. My high school had an active ROTC program but not an NRA funded rifle team so I wondered how common that was. Who funded your high school's JROTC? JROTC and ROTC are normally funded mostly through the military, portion by school funds like other athletics. I have no idea on the NRA.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 19:22:13 GMT
So? What is your discussion point? Both of my sons were on the JROTC rifle team. They were both interested in a military career (one became a Marine, the other joined the National Guard then worked as security with a contracting company in Iraq after we pulled all the military out) The marksman ship he first learned in JROTC was a major part of him doing well in his job. He has a pretty long list of politicians that visited Iraq and he had a key role in their safety while they were there. Tens of thousands of kids go through the JROTC marksmanship program. They've not been involved in school shootings So? My point was to open it up for discussion. The news article that was posted. My high school had an active ROTC program but not an NRA funded rifle team so I wondered how common that was. All of the high schools in Hawaii that had a JROTC program had a marksmanship team. They would have competitions every semester. I assumed all schools with a JROTC had a marksmanship team but maybe not. There was also the "Exhibition with Arms" team that did the precision rifle maneuvers (spinning, tossing, flipping, etc)
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Post by hop2 on Feb 19, 2018 19:48:03 GMT
I think you're confusing the rifle teams that march with marching bands and JROTC. I’m not confusing the two, I’m just pointing out that that’s the ‘closest’ thing we have to a ‘rifle’ Team. Which isn’t very close at all. We do not have Jrotc at our high school
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Post by Linda on Feb 19, 2018 20:09:22 GMT
our high school (Florida) has a range on campus - pretty sure they use air rifles though.
MY high school (RI) had a range also - we used .22 rifles. DH has a varsity letter from the rifle team.
Both had JROTC - DH and I did 4 years in ours, DS only did his senior year (we moved mid-way through Jr year and his previous high school didn't have JROTC). DD17 did 2 years and decided it wasn't for her.
I'm all for gun control and I'm far from a proponent of the NRA but I don't have an issue with supervised marksmanship and gun safety training at a high school. I'm taking my younger daughter (11) to a Girl Scout firearm safety program next weekend.
JROTC isn't promoting gun violence, far from it, in my experience.
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Post by MissBianca on Feb 19, 2018 23:16:23 GMT
When I was in HS we had a marksmanship team and JROTC and ROTC but they didn’t have anything to do with each other. All of the kids I knew on the team were not part of ROTC. Not sure when the marksmanship team fell out of favor, my guess is kids just didn’t want to join. We have to have a minimum number of students to commit to a club or sport to be approved or continued.
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 19, 2018 23:22:00 GMT
I don't necessarily have a problem with JROTC (though a varsity shooting team seems so weird to me) but I have a huge problem that this kid had multiple known behavioral issues and was allowed to continue to participate in the program. Exactly that.
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Post by rickmer on Feb 20, 2018 2:10:47 GMT
we have nothing in our school system that is gun-related, as far as i am aware. i am okay with that. kids are there for an education so that is not an addition that is necessary, imho.
my son does scouts, also nothing gun-related. i think maybe archery has been an option??
guns/military really are not part of our culture.
it is not surprising that a young man with issues may be attracted to learning about guns. however, i think it would be stretch to even begin to assume all kids interested in guns have issues like his.
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Post by java on Feb 20, 2018 2:36:57 GMT
but I have a huge problem that this kid had multiple known behavioral issues and was allowed to continue to participate in the program. I agree but have to wonder if between the various HIPAA and FERPA laws whether anyone really knew and if they did know, were they aware of the magnitude of his issues.
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Post by busy on Feb 20, 2018 2:44:10 GMT
but I have a huge problem that this kid had multiple known behavioral issues and was allowed to continue to participate in the program. I agree but have to wonder if between the various HIPAA and FERPA laws whether anyone really knew and if they did know, were they aware of the magnitude of his issues. He'd had multiple in-school behavioral problems. JROTC and the marksmanship team were extracurricular school activities. There shouldn't be any confidentiality issues at play.
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