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Post by freecharlie on Feb 21, 2018 4:25:25 GMT
You know, I've held my ground against escalated students from 1st grade through high school. I've been stabbed, hit with chairs, desks thrown at me, hit, kicked, bit... I was injured by a student so badly once that I was on heavy duty pain meds and not allowed to return to work for a week.
I have broken up fights between some scary looking, large guys and some very determined, vicious girls.
I can hold my own against students...
Bit I have zero doubt in my mind that if I were armed that a decent sized male student would have a good chance of taking the weapon from me.
I am pretty sure I could shoot someone who was actively shooting at my school. But what if the kid who you aren't sure?
What if a kid, without a gun, escalates and overpowers a teacher who is armed? Noe that student has a gun and in his escalated state starts shooting.
How is that safe?
Out of my colleagues, I think maybe 4 or 5 would not be able to be overpowered (3 of those are former military and still fairly young).
Politics aside, logistically, how is this a good option?
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Feb 21, 2018 4:33:54 GMT
It isn't. I agree.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 4:34:06 GMT
You know, I've held my ground against escalated students from 1st grade through high school. I've been stabbed, hit with chairs, desks thrown at me, hit, kicked, bit... I was injured by a student so badly once that I was on heavy duty pain meds and not allowed to return to work for a week. I have broken up fights between some scary looking, large guys and some very determined, vicious girls. I can hold my own against students... Bit I have zero doubt in my mind that if I were armed that a decent sized male student would have a good chance of taking the weapon from me. I am pretty sure I could shoot someone who was actively shooting at my school. But what if the kid who you aren't sure? What if a kid, without a gun, escalates and overpowers a teacher who is armed? Noe that student has a gun and in his escalated state starts shooting. How is that safe? Out of my colleagues, I think maybe 4 or 5 would not be able to be overpowered (3 of those are former military and still fairly young). Politics aside, logistically, how is this a good option? It is not a good option for you or anyone like you that doesn't feel comfortable using a gun. Like you said there are other teachers that would be able to. I know that no one is saying any particular teacher MUST be armed, even those teachers might not want to. |
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 21, 2018 4:45:49 GMT
You know, I've held my ground against escalated students from 1st grade through high school. I've been stabbed, hit with chairs, desks thrown at me, hit, kicked, bit... I was injured by a student so badly once that I was on heavy duty pain meds and not allowed to return to work for a week. I have broken up fights between some scary looking, large guys and some very determined, vicious girls. I can hold my own against students... Bit I have zero doubt in my mind that if I were armed that a decent sized male student would have a good chance of taking the weapon from me. I am pretty sure I could shoot someone who was actively shooting at my school. But what if the kid who you aren't sure? What if a kid, without a gun, escalates and overpowers a teacher who is armed? Noe that student has a gun and in his escalated state starts shooting. How is that safe? Out of my colleagues, I think maybe 4 or 5 would not be able to be overpowered (3 of those are former military and still fairly young). Politics aside, logistically, how is this a good option? It is not a good option for you or anyone like you that doesn't feel comfortable using a gun. Like you said there are other teachers that would be able to. I know that no one is saying any particular teacher MUST be armed, even those teachers might not want to. i am comfortable with guns. We own them and shoot them (me at the range only, the males also hunt). What about the person who THINKS they are comfortable being armed, but is able to be overpowered? It is easy to say only those that want to be should be, but should all those who want to be be allowed? Has the "arm the teachers" champions thought it actually through or is it just hyperbole and grandstanding? Which teachers should be armed? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 4:52:22 GMT
It is not a good option for you or anyone like you that doesn't feel comfortable using a gun. Like you said there are other teachers that would be able to. I know that no one is saying any particular teacher MUST be armed, even those teachers might not want to. i am comfortable with guns. We own them and shoot them (me at the range only, the males also hunt). What about the person who THINKS they are comfortable being armed, but is able to be overpowered? It is easy to say only those that want to be should be, but should all those who want to be be allowed? Has the "arm the teachers" champions thought it actually through or is it just hyperbole and grandstanding? Which teachers should be armed? You might be comfortable with guns and still not want to take on that responsibility. There's nothing wrong with that and I'm sure no one is going to be forced to. I think training would also weed out those who think they could handle it and yet can't really. I know you know that having a gun is no guarantee of successful defensive use, any more than having your seat belt on is going to guarantee you won't be injured or killed in a car accident, but that it ups the chances of survival. |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Feb 21, 2018 4:54:59 GMT
I tend to think that in almost all cases, a teacher who wants to be armed is probably the last person who should be armed in a school. Way too many variables to be confident in your skills.
Obviously A highly skilled and trained shooter—perhaps retired military or law enforcement —someone who really knows what they are doing would be the exceptions.
We have a liaison officer in our school. I’m ok with that. Beyond him? Nope.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 21, 2018 4:59:55 GMT
It is a very bad idea, IMO. Wishful thinking on the part of people who think that guns=safety in any situation.
In addition to determining if armed teachers would actually help the situation in a mass shooting type situation, you would have the issue of people not knowing what situations are ok to use the gun in. Teachers are not police officers, and even police officers have a hard time knowing when to use their gun or not at times.
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Post by alsomsknit on Feb 21, 2018 5:03:44 GMT
As someone who knows their way around a gun...It's a stupid idea to arm teachers. For the reasons you mentioned.
The argument of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun is idiotic, too.
It's unrealistic to think your average person could effectively shoot a moving person amidst chaos. It would take tons of training, on-going training. Could a person still pull the trigger? Knowing you were taking a life? What if you inadvertently hit the wrong person?
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 21, 2018 5:07:42 GMT
As someone who knows their way around a gun...It's a stupid idea to arm teachers. For the reasons you mentioned. The argument of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun is idiotic, too. It's unrealistic to think your average person could effectively shoot a moving person amidst chaos. It would take tons of training, on-going training. Could a person still pull the trigger? Knowing you were taking a life? What if you inadvertently hit the wrong person? I am as certain as one can be in the theoretical that I could shoot someone, even a student, who was actively shooting at other students. It is that in between. I certainly wouldn't shoot a student who was challenging and was unarmed. I wouldn't pull my weapon then and it would be irresponsible to do so. But what then, if that student went for the gun? |
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Post by pilcas on Feb 21, 2018 5:13:11 GMT
I’m not sure how well that would go over with teachers unions. In NYC, teachers are not allowed to get involved in student fights or to try to stop them. If they are hurt trying to stop a fight they are not medically covered. That is the job of the security guards. I would imagine the ones armed in schools would be those in charge of security. Are there schools that don’t have some kind of security guards?Now, I would not trust many of these security guards with a gun. Many of them are as mature as the kids. I can see many problems with this idea!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 5:16:12 GMT
As someone who knows their way around a gun...It's a stupid idea to arm teachers. For the reasons you mentioned. The argument of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun is idiotic, too. It's unrealistic to think your average person could effectively shoot a moving person amidst chaos. It would take tons of training, on-going training. Could a person still pull the trigger? Knowing you were taking a life? What if you inadvertently hit the wrong person? No it isn't. Fact: The duration of a mass shooting is dictated by the arrival of a second gun. More and more Sheriffs are recommending that people arm themselves because having that gun already there (wherever there is, be it on your person or at home) cuts down on the time waiting to save yourself and others from those that will inflict more harm the longer they have to do so. Police absolutely can not get there faster than the gun that's already there. A Columbine survivor wants to make it legal to protect the kids from a deadly shooter. " Colorado House Minority Leader Patrick Neville, who attended Columbine High School at the time of the 1999 mass shooting, has again introduced legislation to remove limitations on concealed carry in K-12 schools. Mr. Neville, who has introduced the bill annually since he was elected in 2014, said the current law “creates a so-called gun free zone in every K-12 public school. This act would allow every law-abiding citizens who holds a concealed carry permit, issued from their chief law-enforcement officer, the right to carry concealed in order to defend themselves and most importantly our children from the worst-case scenarios,” Mr. Neville said in a statement." |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 21, 2018 5:17:04 GMT
Not only for all the reasons listed, but also because think about this for one second. How many of the school shooters are former or current students that attend/ed the very schools they shot up? What teacher would ever want to be put in the position of having to face down an armed student that they personally know and might have taught and actually shoot to kill that student?
Those in law enforcement and the military are trained to handle those kinds of potentially deadly encounters and to act without hesitation regardless of who is in the crosshairs. I don’t think it would be fair to expect (even on a volunteer basis) school teachers to take on this responsibility. Teachers already have so much on their plates as it is with school funding continually being chipped away for all the stuff that is actually in their job description.
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Post by rodeomom on Feb 21, 2018 5:19:26 GMT
It's an idea the Russian bots are pushing on social media.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 5:20:46 GMT
As someone who knows their way around a gun...It's a stupid idea to arm teachers. For the reasons you mentioned. The argument of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun is idiotic, too. It's unrealistic to think your average person could effectively shoot a moving person amidst chaos. It would take tons of training, on-going training. Could a person still pull the trigger? Knowing you were taking a life? What if you inadvertently hit the wrong person? I am as certain as one can be in the theoretical that I could shoot someone, even a student, who was actively shooting at other students. It is that in between. I certainly wouldn't shoot a student who was challenging and was unarmed. I wouldn't pull my weapon then and it would be irresponsible to do so. But what then, if that student went for the gun? I would think the gun would be in a gun safe in the room in case of an active shooter, not hanging from their hip for every confrontation by an abusive student. |
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 21, 2018 5:21:54 GMT
I’m not sure how well that would go over with teachers unions. In NYC, teachers are not allowed to get involved in student fights or to try to stop them. If they are hurt trying to stop a fight they are not medically covered. That is the job of the security guards. I would imagine the ones armed in schools would be those in charge of security. Are there schools that don’t have some kind of security guards?Now, I would not trust many of these security guards with a gun. Many of them are as mature as the kids. I can see many problems with this idea! we don't have security guards in any of the middle/high schools around here. (we are somewhat rural) Some of the schools in the city have full time school resource officers. They are actual police and they are armed. |
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 21, 2018 5:23:03 GMT
I am as certain as one can be in the theoretical that I could shoot someone, even a student, who was actively shooting at other students. It is that in between. I certainly wouldn't shoot a student who was challenging and was unarmed. I wouldn't pull my weapon then and it would be irresponsible to do so. But what then, if that student went for the gun? I would think the gun would be in a gun safe in the room in case of an active shooter, not hanging from their hip for every confrontation by an abusive student. that would be better than the ideas I have been seeing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 5:23:04 GMT
It's an idea the Russian bots are pushing on social media. A Columbine survivor wants to make it legal to protect the kids from a deadly shooter. " Colorado House Minority Leader Patrick Neville, who attended Columbine High School at the time of the 1999 mass shooting, has again introduced legislation to remove limitations on concealed carry in K-12 schools. Mr. Neville, who has introduced the bill annually since he was elected in 2014, said the current law “creates a so-called gun free zone in every K-12 public school. This act would allow every law-abiding citizens who holds a concealed carry permit, issued from their chief law-enforcement officer, the right to carry concealed in order to defend themselves and most importantly our children from the worst-case scenarios,” Mr. Neville said in a statement." |
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Post by wholarmor on Feb 21, 2018 5:35:33 GMT
A teacher in Utah was carrying concealed and her gun went off while she was on the toilet and she shot herself in the leg. A professor in Idaho was carrying on campus, and shot himself in the foot when his gun accidentally discharged. What could have happened if these guns accidentally discharged in the classroom? And someone doesn't need to be strong to overpower someone, either. Too many things can go wrong. Just a bad idea all around...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 5:36:40 GMT
Not only for all the reasons listed, but also because think about this for one second. How many of the school shooters are former or current students that attend/ed the very schools they shot up? What teacher would ever want to be put in the position of having to face down an armed student that they personally know and might have taught and actually shoot to kill that student? Those in law enforcement and the military are trained to handle those kinds of potentially deadly encounters and to act without hesitation regardless of who is in the crosshairs. I don’t think it would be fair to expect (even on a volunteer basis) school teachers to take on this responsibility. Teachers already have so much on their plates as it is with school funding continually being chipped away for all the stuff that is actually in their job description. If you're faced with deciding between just watching that student kill your other students or putting a stop to it, hopefully you'll be able to put a stop to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 5:37:52 GMT
A teacher in Utah was carrying concealed and her gun went off while she was on the toilet and she shot herself in the leg. A professor in Idaho was carrying on campus, and shot himself in the foot when his gun accidentally discharged. What could have happened if these guns accidentally discharged in the classroom? And someone doesn't need to be strong to overpower someone, either. Too many things can go wrong. Just a bad idea all around... If it's locked up in a gun safe in the classroom, it's not going to just "go off". |
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Post by rodeomom on Feb 21, 2018 5:40:47 GMT
It's an idea the Russian bots are pushing on social media. A Columbine survivor wants to make it legal to protect the kids from a deadly shooter. " Colorado House Minority Leader Patrick Neville, who attended Columbine High School at the time of the 1999 mass shooting, has again introduced legislation to remove limitations on concealed carry in K-12 schools. Mr. Neville, who has introduced the bill annually since he was elected in 2014, said the current law “creates a so-called gun free zone in every K-12 public school. This act would allow every law-abiding citizens who holds a concealed carry permit, issued from their chief law-enforcement officer, the right to carry concealed in order to defend themselves and most importantly our children from the worst-case scenarios,” Mr. Neville said in a statement." Not sure what this has to do with Russian bots? And to allow carry concealed at schools for parents... I think that's crazy. A trained officer maybe. |
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Post by alsomsknit on Feb 21, 2018 5:42:08 GMT
As someone who knows their way around a gun...It's a stupid idea to arm teachers. For the reasons you mentioned. The argument of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun is idiotic, too. It's unrealistic to think your average person could effectively shoot a moving person amidst chaos. It would take tons of training, on-going training. Could a person still pull the trigger? Knowing you were taking a life? What if you inadvertently hit the wrong person? No it isn't. Fact: The duration of a mass shooting is dictated by the arrival of a second gun. More and more Sheriffs are recommending that people arm themselves because having that gun already there (wherever there is, be it on your person or at home) cuts down on the time waiting to save yourself and others from those that will inflict more harm the longer they have to do so. Police absolutely can not get there faster than the gun that's already there. A Columbine survivor wants to make it legal to protect the kids from a deadly shooter. " Colorado House Minority Leader Patrick Neville, who attended Columbine High School at the time of the 1999 mass shooting, has again introduced legislation to remove limitations on concealed carry in K-12 schools. Mr. Neville, who has introduced the bill annually since he was elected in 2014, said the current law “creates a so-called gun free zone in every K-12 public school. This act would allow every law-abiding citizens who holds a concealed carry permit, issued from their chief law-enforcement officer, the right to carry concealed in order to defend themselves and most importantly our children from the worst-case scenarios,” Mr. Neville said in a statement." Pre- Columbine I would have agreed. My entire life has included guns. They are just another tool in my mind. Strong hunting tradition in both sides of my family and I married a hunter. Number of law enforcement, too. It it never bothered me to see someone wearing a hand gun. Not that it happened often. It simply was never a concern. Then the call for bans and buy your guns while you can. Lather, rinse, repeat. I'm still not afraid when I see a gun on someone. However, there is a feeling of wondering if it's someone who can handle a gun or thinks they can. Just to to make you wonder...I think advertising gun free zones is idiotic. Why keep off duty law enforcement unarmed in your establishment? |
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Feb 21, 2018 5:48:25 GMT
So now, in addition to expecting teachers to teach and be all-but-licensed child psychologists/psychiatrists, as we do now, we will expect them to become expert marksmen, "read" potentially criminal antisocial behavior, etc. And lets not forget to maintain all these skills with frequent training.
Good luck finding rational people wanting to teach. And good luck finding rational parents wanting to put their children in buildings were guns are being toted around by non-professionals.
A gun safe? Sure, put the guns in a safe. Have the teachers leave their students during the emergency, run to a safe and grab guns and then, in a panic, start running through the halls with guns. That'll make the kids feel safe.
From what I hear and read, the majority of parents will have problems with teachers handling guns, regardless of where the guns are kept. Teachers teach. IF it's decided that guns are NECESSARY on school campuses, then hire *weapons experts* to secure campuses. We ask far too much of our teachers as it is.
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 21, 2018 5:56:14 GMT
You know, I've held my ground against escalated students from 1st grade through high school. I've been stabbed, hit with chairs, desks thrown at me, hit, kicked, bit... I was injured by a student so badly once that I was on heavy duty pain meds and not allowed to return to work for a week. I have broken up fights between some scary looking, large guys and some very determined, vicious girls. I can hold my own against students... Bit I have zero doubt in my mind that if I were armed that a decent sized male student would have a good chance of taking the weapon from me. I am pretty sure I could shoot someone who was actively shooting at my school. But what if the kid who you aren't sure? What if a kid, without a gun, escalates and overpowers a teacher who is armed? Noe that student has a gun and in his escalated state starts shooting. How is that safe? Out of my colleagues, I think maybe 4 or 5 would not be able to be overpowered (3 of those are former military and still fairly young). Politics aside, logistically, how is this a good option? It is not a good option for you or anyone like you that doesn't feel comfortable using a gun. Like you said there are other teachers that would be able to. I know that no one is saying any particular teacher MUST be armed, even those teachers might not want to. My problem with arming teachers is the parents. Teaching is such a difficult occupation when you bring parents into the mix. Kids are just very personal and I have seen parents go absolutely ballistic on teachers for things that most parents would have been okay with. I think teachers having guns in the schools would make this much more challenging because of the strong feelings (on both parents and teachers). I believe a police officer should be hired. Teachers need to teach and not worry about angry parents, kids getting possession of a teacher's gun, or any other thing that cold go wrong with teachers being armed. |
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 21, 2018 5:58:12 GMT
No it isn't. Fact: The duration of a mass shooting is dictated by the arrival of a second gun. More and more Sheriffs are recommending that people arm themselves because having that gun already there (wherever there is, be it on your person or at home) cuts down on the time waiting to save yourself and others from those that will inflict more harm the longer they have to do so. Police absolutely can not get there faster than the gun that's already there. A Columbine survivor wants to make it legal to protect the kids from a deadly shooter. " Colorado House Minority Leader Patrick Neville, who attended Columbine High School at the time of the 1999 mass shooting, has again introduced legislation to remove limitations on concealed carry in K-12 schools. Mr. Neville, who has introduced the bill annually since he was elected in 2014, said the current law “creates a so-called gun free zone in every K-12 public school. This act would allow every law-abiding citizens who holds a concealed carry permit, issued from their chief law-enforcement officer, the right to carry concealed in order to defend themselves and most importantly our children from the worst-case scenarios,” Mr. Neville said in a statement." Pre- Columbine I would have agreed. My entire life has included guns. They are just another tool in my mind. Strong hunting tradition in both sides of my family and I married a hunter. Number of law enforcement, too. It it never bothered me to see someone wearing a hand gun. Not that it happened often. It simply was never a concern. Then the call for bans and buy your guns while you can. Lather, rinse, repeat. I'm still not afraid when I see a gun on someone. However, there is a feeling of wondering if it's someone who can handle a gun or thinks they can. Just to to make you wonder...I think advertising gun free zones is idiotic. Why keep off duty law enforcement unarmed in your establishment?Gun free zones in our schools do not include law enforcement. |
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Post by alsomsknit on Feb 21, 2018 6:04:31 GMT
Pre- Columbine I would have agreed. My entire life has included guns. They are just another tool in my mind. Strong hunting tradition in both sides of my family and I married a hunter. Number of law enforcement, too. It it never bothered me to see someone wearing a hand gun. Not that it happened often. It simply was never a concern. Then the call for bans and buy your guns while you can. Lather, rinse, repeat. I'm still not afraid when I see a gun on someone. However, there is a feeling of wondering if it's someone who can handle a gun or thinks they can. Just to to make you wonder...I think advertising gun free zones is idiotic. Why keep off duty law enforcement unarmed in your establishment?Gun free zones in our schools do not include law enforcement. I know. I went off course, thinking more like restaurants, theaters, etc... |
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 21, 2018 6:05:27 GMT
So what will the rules of engagement for armed teachers be? You can shoot anyone you see with a gun? Or do they have to fire at someone first? What if they are firing in the air but not at anyone?What about a student brandishing a knife? Scissors? What if a teacher thinks they are reaching into their pocket/coat/backpack for a weapon?
For heavens sake trained law enforcement professionals make these split second decisions and unarmed people are killed. What if a student is brandishing a BB gun? Paintball gun? Airsoft gun? Toy gun?
I believe the school in Florida had an armed resources officer, and they were not the one who ended the shooting.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 21, 2018 6:09:00 GMT
It's an idea the Russian bots are pushing on social media. A Columbine survivor wants to make it legal to protect the kids from a deadly shooter. " Colorado House Minority Leader Patrick Neville, who attended Columbine High School at the time of the 1999 mass shooting, has again introduced legislation to remove limitations on concealed carry in K-12 schools. Mr. Neville, who has introduced the bill annually since he was elected in 2014, said the current law “creates a so-called gun free zone in every K-12 public school. This act would allow every law-abiding citizens who holds a concealed carry permit, issued from their chief law-enforcement officer, the right to carry concealed in order to defend themselves and most importantly our children from the worst-case scenarios,” Mr. Neville said in a statement." Seems like this would muddy the waters even more, if anyone who has a conceal and carry is allowed to be in the school carrying a weapon. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 6:28:45 GMT
A Columbine survivor wants to make it legal to protect the kids from a deadly shooter. " Colorado House Minority Leader Patrick Neville, who attended Columbine High School at the time of the 1999 mass shooting, has again introduced legislation to remove limitations on concealed carry in K-12 schools. Mr. Neville, who has introduced the bill annually since he was elected in 2014, said the current law “creates a so-called gun free zone in every K-12 public school. This act would allow every law-abiding citizens who holds a concealed carry permit, issued from their chief law-enforcement officer, the right to carry concealed in order to defend themselves and most importantly our children from the worst-case scenarios,” Mr. Neville said in a statement." Not sure what this has to do with Russian bots? And to allow carry concealed at schools for parents... I think that's crazy. A trained officer maybe. I was showing a Columbine survivor was for it. He's a real human being who went through this horror, not a Russian bot. If you have a concealed carry permit, you've gone through training. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 6:34:48 GMT
No it isn't. Fact: The duration of a mass shooting is dictated by the arrival of a second gun. More and more Sheriffs are recommending that people arm themselves because having that gun already there (wherever there is, be it on your person or at home) cuts down on the time waiting to save yourself and others from those that will inflict more harm the longer they have to do so. Police absolutely can not get there faster than the gun that's already there. A Columbine survivor wants to make it legal to protect the kids from a deadly shooter. " Colorado House Minority Leader Patrick Neville, who attended Columbine High School at the time of the 1999 mass shooting, has again introduced legislation to remove limitations on concealed carry in K-12 schools. Mr. Neville, who has introduced the bill annually since he was elected in 2014, said the current law “creates a so-called gun free zone in every K-12 public school. This act would allow every law-abiding citizens who holds a concealed carry permit, issued from their chief law-enforcement officer, the right to carry concealed in order to defend themselves and most importantly our children from the worst-case scenarios,” Mr. Neville said in a statement." Pre- Columbine I would have agreed. My entire life has included guns. They are just another tool in my mind. Strong hunting tradition in both sides of my family and I married a hunter. Number of law enforcement, too. It it never bothered me to see someone wearing a hand gun. Not that it happened often. It simply was never a concern. Then the call for bans and buy your guns while you can. Lather, rinse, repeat. I'm still not afraid when I see a gun on someone. Just to to make you wonder...I think advertising gun free zones is idiotic. Why keep off duty law enforcement unarmed in your establishment?  to everything. I can understand that. This is why I'm all for mandatory training for anyone who wants to own a gun. |
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