scrapnnana
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 22, 2018 1:28:21 GMT
When watching videos of the Scan N Cut, most seem to select a small border around the image rather than cutting on or right next to the outside line of the stamped image.
When fussy cutting, I prefer to cut as close as possible, whether cutting by hand or with the machine. Unfortunately, I can't always get it that close with the Scan N Cut. Sometimes the only way the machine will cut out the image is if I select a thin border. It happens mostly with very detailed stamps that have thinner, sketch type lines.
Do you prefer a slight white border around your stamped image? Or do you want it trimmed as close as possible?
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Post by camcas on Feb 22, 2018 1:54:45 GMT
Both....hahahahaha..not really helpful for you I Guess! But sometimes I like no border and sometimes I like a border - depends on the project.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 22, 2018 2:46:03 GMT
Both....hahahahaha..not really helpful for you I Guess! But sometimes I like no border and sometimes I like a border - depends on the project. That makes sense.
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Post by joblackford on Feb 22, 2018 2:54:10 GMT
I often prefer stamped images/die cuts that have a white border, just to allow a little more separation between the die cut and the background. But it definitely depends on the image and design that you're using. From what I've seen of your posts you're using very different styles than I would be.
It must be frustrating not to be able to get the machine to do what you want. Hopefully there is any workaround.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 8:05:21 GMT
Fussy cutting I want it to be close as possible. Sometimes I do an offset because of the look I want. Close as possible is my favorite. Nana- We both have similar cutting styles. I am feeling your frustration. I am getting nervous now about my DH ordering me this machine. For my artwork I need close cutting. If I wanted a border I would have created one for my illustration. This was one of the reasons why I was hesitant about getting this machine. I keep seeing YT girls do that border too. I am also seeing these girls not dig into their settings. I do understand. Nobody bark at me. This machine has a huge learning curve. Even us diggers are going to have a lot of trouble. I know most of these Brother videos are from newbies who never ventured into e-cutting. One of the big telltale signs is that they keep calling the blade a needle, lol. I understand very much they are like "The machine does this." instead of "The machine can do this." Nana- My thinking is that the offset can be turned into an inset. I need to get my machine in to try. I did watch one girl and she was fiddling with the settings and she had no border. She did it so fast I kind of caught on what she was doing. Having no machine and not being able to copy her steps is my learning curve. Doesn't help I lost the video too. I can find it again.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 22, 2018 12:21:04 GMT
I may use a border once in awhile, but generally I prefer no border.
Sometimes the machine does fine with no border. I honestly can't figure out why it can see a stamped image outline just fine if I choose the setting with a slight border, but then if I try to change it to no border, it's like it can't seem to see the image lines. I may just not be as good at adjusting the contrast settings yet.
I have tried using a pencil to darken or make border lines if needed. It works, but then I have to erase the pencil. I need to buy a new artist or drafting eraser.
There are two other ways. One I have tried, but it was off slightly, and it was a little more involved. It's the "inside and out" cutting technique. Julie Fei Fan Balzer has a video on it. I need more practice doing it.
The other method I have not yet tried but think is going to work the best for me. That involves putting a piece of acetate over the stamped image with washi, using an ultra fine sharpie on the acetate to draw a border for the scan so the machine sees clear lines, then removing the acetate before actually cutting. I used to have a bunch of transparencies, but I could not find them. I did find a box of super cheap laminating pouches that I got ages ago and never used. I think I will cut them apart and use squares of that as my acetate. I may even be able to keep the trace for the next time I use that stamp. If so, I could just tape the trace over again the next time, scan, remove, cut. It should work in theory, anyway. I needed to buy some ultra fine sharpies. I finally picked up a pair, so that is my next experiment.
amayalylac, I think there is also more you can do if you connect the machine to your computer and use their canvas software. I just haven't wanted to take the time to play with that option yet. What I have been doing is using it as a stand alone machine without computer software, which is what a lot of stampers are going to do.
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Post by midorica on Feb 22, 2018 13:38:11 GMT
I'm not sure if this is the right solution for you and it does cost extra, but there is apparently a software add-on that you can buy for the SNC2 that will make fussy cutting easier. I will look up the blog post I found and get back to you.
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Post by midorica on Feb 22, 2018 13:49:43 GMT
Here we go. It's the EIT add-on blog.scanncut.com/stamped-images-eit/It doesn't specifically say fussy cutting, but it is supposed to work better with faintly stamped images, so I'm taking that to mean that it picks up finer lines as well... I may be wrong though.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 22, 2018 16:08:21 GMT
Thank you, midorica! I will check that out.
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Post by anniefb on Feb 22, 2018 16:35:53 GMT
I do both, spending on what the image and background are. That's frustrating about the scan n cut scrapnnana if you like no border. Hope you can figure it out.
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Post by streetscrapper on Feb 22, 2018 16:47:32 GMT
scrapnnana unfortunately I'm not going to be much help to you on this either. I used to prefer no border, but now I find that on some stamped images, I actually like a slight border around the image. With flowers though, I want the cut line tight to the image - no border. It looks nicer to me. Although I haven't experimented nearly as much with my Scan-N-Cut as I would have liked to, I found that I got really frustrated with it. Before deciding to buy one I watched a TON of videos that made it look super simple to use. Then I bought one, unboxed it, and low and behold I'm not getting the same results as the videos I've watched! Unless the stamped image is super simple, my machine is having a tough time identifying where to cut. Even after using a pencil to outline the image a little better, I still haven't had stellar results. I've watched a video using the acetate too. My thought on that, geeze, by the time I go and trace the image, I might as well have fussy cut the darn thing! I've also tried to cut out digital images where the outside line is so defined that it wouldn't be possible to add anything more to get the scanner to read the image more clearly, but instead of picking up the outside line, it picks up everything - even when I choose the outside line cut! It has been VERY frustrating to say the least. I've also looked at the add on software, but from my very brief watch of one YouTube video, it looks far more complicated to me than the Silhouette software that I am very familiar with. I'm not a big fan of the "Canvas" software. To me it is not at all user friendly and at the end of the day, when I'm trying to cut something I generally go to the program I'm most familiar with! Julie Fei Fan Balzer's videos make this machine look so incredibly easy to use, and I'm pretty good with technology, but this machine is not nearly as user friendly as I thought it was!
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 22, 2018 21:04:14 GMT
Well, I tried the acetate and sharpie method. The cut line is the outer edge of the sharpie, so you need to get in very tight if you want it on the line. Even the ultra fine sharpie is sometimes too thick. However, my cut seemed slightly off even so, just as it had when I did the inside & outside method. It's possible that my mat shifted slightly.
As long as it has a good outside edge, it does pretty well. Some of my stamps are too detailed, too many gaps (or something) for it to work if I want it to cut right on the line. The acetate method did fairly well, until the washi tape came off inside my machine. Big panic time! It took me half an hour to get it out. I was afraid I had ruined my machine. And the gal on the video had warned viewers about using washi. I had not stuck it down firmly enough or something, but I will never use washi for that again. If you try the acetate, I recommend using a BIG piece, with a much smaller stamped square or rectangle underneath, so the edges of the acetate can hang way over and stick to the mat. No need for washi or any other tape. You can clean the sharpie off your acetate with nail polish remover, so you can use it over and over. That's a tip you won't see in the video.
I have come to the conclusion that sometimes a good #2 pencil lead and a good eraser are the best bet if you want to just scan and cut without using any software.
amayalylac and any others reading this thread, for what it's worth, many of my stamps do cut well and directly on the line. I actually searched for problem stamps in order to figure out how to deal with those. I am learning to recognize which ones are likely to have trouble: thin, sketch lines, or those that have outside lines with gaps. I can use the pencil and eraser for the gaps or to create a recognizable outline. It's not that bad. The acetate method did work, but the pencil is easier and faster, and it has no risk of washi or any other tape getting stuck in my machine. The pencil lead is also thinner than the ultra fine sharpie, so you are less likely to accidentally get a slight white border you don't want.
I can see that there will still probably be times when I either want to use a matching die, or my Silhouette and PixScan mat. However, I am still very much a novice at using the machine. I am stubborn and determined. I will keep at it and learn to get better results. I still like the machine. There are still a lot of my stamps it will cut directly on the line.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 23, 2018 5:30:02 GMT
I posted this link on the General Scrapping Board, too. My day ended better than it began. Here is a blog post I did outlining the good and bad things that happened today with my Scan N Cut, with photos that help show what I did a little better. Scan N Cut Successes after the Failures
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 8:19:27 GMT
scrapnnana I don't think I want to use Canvas as this point either. I bought it to be standalone. We all know how much I hate Cloud base design cutting software, lol. streetscrapper I agree with you. I think doing the acetate thing too is just time consuming. I can fussy cut faster, lol. I told my DH about the acetate trick and he was like "That is a great idea!" I kept thinking no, it's not, lol. Thinking of tracing, sticking acetate on my mat, loading mat through machine, etc, etc... I could fussy cut faster. Girls & our guys- The acetate is a good idea. In ScrapnNana's other thread I was throwing out tech ideas. I think this offset problem is a light problem. The scanner is not picking up color values correctly. I think the acetate is giving off enough light. I don't want to use it. I definitely don't want to go through scrapnnana's washi nightmare. I am glad your machine is ok. I should have the machine sometime next week. Hoping next week I can help with test results. Right now I am just using my tech knowledge trying to figure this out.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 23, 2018 13:30:16 GMT
amayalylac, all of my trials have been cutting just the uncolored stamped images. One of the reasons I have been doing that is because sometimes I use sponge daubers for faster coloring rather than markers. I can color using a teflon mat after it's cut, and if it has been cut on the line, the color will not go outside the stamped image. Sponge daubers are less precise than markers and give a softer, blurred look.
It occurred to me yesterday that if I color the stamped image first, and use markers to color more carefully, the machine might see the colors more clearly than just a bunch of stamped lines. I'm hoping that a fully colored image will scan and cut a lot better than a plain stamped image.
I may have been unintentionally creating a problem that might not exist if I just color the images first before scanning and cutting.
Coloring is not my favorite thing. It never has been, to be honest. It's one reason that I often use the sponge daubers to speed things up, if the stamped image is going to be cut out. It's a technique used in some Heartfelt Creations classes. Using the less-precise sponge daubers is not a problem when coloring flowers. In fact, the blurring of colors looks great for florals. If you cut out the stamped images with a die before the coloring, you don't have to worry about accidentally going beyond the outside lines. Pre-coloring with darker ink colors using sponge daubers could make the lines harder to see when you are trying to line up a die to cut it, which is one reason why I typically cut first, color last.
I will try coloring the stamped images with markers first, to see if that helps the machine find outlines for cutting. I should have thought to try that before, but because my process of cut-then-color was a habit, it didn't occur to me.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 23, 2018 16:09:26 GMT
amayalylac, I think you can stop worrying about the machine.
I was totally missing the obvious. It cuts the fully colored images well with no border, and no need for tracing. My problem stamps were no longer a problem.
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Post by bluecrafterperson on Feb 23, 2018 17:15:49 GMT
Scrapnnana, I'm glad you figured out how to get the Scan N Cut to do what you are wanting it to do.
I always leave a border around the stamped images when I cut them, so I was no help. I usually do the cutesy style, using MFT, Taylored Expressions, or those type of stamps. I have a lot of older stamps that are mounted on wooden blocks but those are Penny Black and Whipper Snapper Designs, that same cutesy style.
My Scan N Cut is not hooked up to a computer. Someday, I want to figure out if there is a way to cut out a piece in the middle of the shape. Some of the dies that are purchased now-a-days have a section or two that will cut out in the middle of the die. I haven't had any time to figure out if there is a way to do this without using the Scan N Cut Canvas which I am not going to do.
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Post by gale w on Feb 23, 2018 18:26:59 GMT
Here we go. It's the EIT add-on blog.scanncut.com/stamped-images-eit/It doesn't specifically say fussy cutting, but it is supposed to work better with faintly stamped images, so I'm taking that to mean that it picks up finer lines as well... I may be wrong though. Interesting. I watched the video linked in the article and mentioned that it was ridiculous to charge for this new feature. My comment was deleted. Another person had posted something similar and their comment was deleted as well.
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Post by midorica on Feb 23, 2018 18:44:54 GMT
Here we go. It's the EIT add-on blog.scanncut.com/stamped-images-eit/It doesn't specifically say fussy cutting, but it is supposed to work better with faintly stamped images, so I'm taking that to mean that it picks up finer lines as well... I may be wrong though. Interesting. I watched the video linked in the article and mentioned that it was ridiculous to charge for this new feature. My comment was deleted. Another person had posted something similar and their comment was deleted as well. Really?! That's not cool. I agree, it doesn't seem fair for them to charge extra for this feature.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 23, 2018 22:06:11 GMT
My Scan N Cut is not hooked up to a computer. Someday, I want to figure out if there is a way to cut out a piece in the middle of the shape. Some of the dies that are purchased now-a-days have a section or two that will cut out in the middle of the die. I haven't had any time to figure out if there is a way to do this without using the Scan N Cut Canvas which I am not going to do. There is a way to do it without having to be connected to the computer. There is a tutorial video by Julie Fei Fan Balzer on YouTube. It's called Cutting Inside and Out, or something like that.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 23, 2018 22:14:18 GMT
Here we go. It's the EIT add-on blog.scanncut.com/stamped-images-eit/It doesn't specifically say fussy cutting, but it is supposed to work better with faintly stamped images, so I'm taking that to mean that it picks up finer lines as well... I may be wrong though. Interesting. I watched the video linked in the article and mentioned that it was ridiculous to charge for this new feature. My comment was deleted. Another person had posted something similar and their comment was deleted as well. I had the same thought, that it is ridiculous to charge for it, but not surprised. They charge for the WiFi capability. Deleting comments about it, though, is also ridiculous. Don't they want to know what upsets customers vs. keeping them happy? Customers are a company's best (or worst) free advertising. Ignoring or squelching customer feedback rarely ends well. For what it's worth, I couldn't find anyone who sells it, anyway.
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Post by gale w on Feb 23, 2018 22:46:59 GMT
Interesting. I watched the video linked in the article and mentioned that it was ridiculous to charge for this new feature. My comment was deleted. Another person had posted something similar and their comment was deleted as well. I had the same thought, that it is ridiculous to charge for it, but not surprised. They charge for the WiFi capability. Deleting comments about it, though, is also ridiculous. Don't they want to know what upsets customers vs. keeping them happy? Customers are a company's best (or worst) free advertising. Ignoring or squelching customer feedback rarely ends well. For what it's worth, I couldn't find anyone who sells it, anyway. www.createandcraft.com/us/pp/brother-image-tracing-25-patterns-402073
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 24, 2018 0:08:13 GMT
Thanks, gale.
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Post by gale w on Feb 24, 2018 0:37:28 GMT
Always happy to help y'all spend your money.
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Post by scrapnnana on Feb 24, 2018 0:55:30 GMT
Always happy to help y'all spend your money. Isn't that the main reason we come here? To find new ways to spend?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 9:18:58 GMT
scrapnnana I am glad you figured it out. I was watching a few videos in Russian last night. I noticed those girls were coloring and then cutting. They were getting extremely accurate results. I am getting very excited about that machine. I cleared off my desk today of my other cutters just so I could give the ScannCut my full attention. I should have it early next week. gale w That ticks me off they deleted your comment. You should have posted back all sweetly and said "I noticed you deleted my comment. Thank you for taking my feedback so seriously!" ROFL!
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