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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 25, 2018 5:50:46 GMT
I live in a duplex and the people that live in the other side are renters. I also happen to know the owners pretty good.
So there are two problems. One they smoke, which doesn't come over to our side or anything like that. But they like to flip their butts where ever they may land which happens to be in our yard or our 1/2 of the driveway. I don't think they intentionally do this but I think they end up blowing onto our side. Second is that they have 3 small dogs that are yappers. All day long, every single time they are outside, which is all the time cause they have a doggie door. Someone complained once and left a note on their door. When they got the note asked me about it (not if we left the note, which we didn't, but if we thought their dogs barked a lot) and I did say they did bark a lot hoping they got the hint.
They are very nice people and I hate to be that neighbor to complain, but it seems it is getting worse. I know I should just go over there and say something but I hate confrontation. I could say something to the owners and let it go at that.
I know ya'll will say just go over there... and I know that is the answer but I hate to do it.. They are elderly.. close to their 80s and still working their tails off. Uggggg..
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Post by destined2bmom on Feb 25, 2018 5:57:27 GMT
Until you said they were in their 80’s; I was going to say to contact the owner. Just go over and gently talk to them. At 80, they may be hard of hearing and don’t realize the dogs are barking so much. The cigarette butts, I don’t know if you want to address that one considering they can say it might be anyone. And again, eyesight issues at 80.
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 25, 2018 5:58:55 GMT
Until you said they were in their 80’s; I was going to say to contact the owner. Just go over and gently talk to them. At 80, they may be hard of hearing and don’t realize the dogs are barking so much. The cigarette butts, I don’t know if you want to address that one considering they can say it might be anyone. And again, eyesight issues at 80. Oh they couldn't blame it on anyone else, we don't have a house on the other side of us and the rest of the neighbors don't smoke. They wouldn't deny it... Heck I would sell him his cigs when I worked at the grocery store...
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Post by destined2bmom on Feb 25, 2018 6:02:22 GMT
workingclassdog, 😀 I didn’t realize that you are an end unit. Since they are old, I would just talk to them. I understand your frustration about the dogs and cigarette butts.
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 25, 2018 6:09:38 GMT
workingclassdog , 😀 I didn’t realize that you are an end unit. Since they are old, I would just talk to them. I understand your frustration about the dogs and cigarette butts. Oh that's okay.. we got the best (at the time) piece of land at the time.. we are the last unit of about 30 duplexes on our street, then there is a greenbelt next to us then regular single homes. So we are in a duplex but doesn't really feel like we are boxed in at all. And our neighborhood is big on those circle intersections and we are right on one and so we kinda face away from the rest of the duplexes.. it's a great neighborhood and lots of trees and greenbelt areas.... When we bought it was our started home but the home prices in Denver is so high we could never buy anything else even though we could make a ton off of it. We couldn't even buy a small teeny tiny condo. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg)
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Post by nlwilkins on Feb 25, 2018 8:20:22 GMT
You could be part of the solution as well as pointing out the issues. Take them something to put outside for their cig. butts. Let them know you are willing to work with them on this. Having ciggie butts all over is not acceptable and they do pile up as they don't disintegrate. The yapping dogs can be handled also. Brainstorm with them on how it can be lessened. Perhaps, close the doggie door more and not give the dogs so much outside time. Unless of course, they are yapping inside as well and you can hear them. But talk to them. Be helpful and show you are not mad but want some solutions.
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Post by peabay on Feb 25, 2018 11:55:26 GMT
At least since they're in their 80s, you could outrun them if they get pissed. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Q_m8lDOvc_3Le3r1GKdf.jpg) You can talk to them about this. Take a tray of brownies over and say: "Hey, I hate to bother you and you are such nice neighbors to have, but can we talk about two issues?" Now, I would have suggestions handy as well because it's always better to complain and then offer suggestions. What would make the cigarette butt situation better? How can they control the dogs better? On the other side, all the smoking in their 80s? This might not be a problem for long. Yikes!
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Post by trixiecat on Feb 25, 2018 12:33:23 GMT
Buy them a small bucket with sand in it to toss them into - ha!
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Post by baslp on Feb 25, 2018 12:55:53 GMT
If they don’t want to get rid of their doggie door I would call your township . Most places have ordnance’s about pet noise. We have 4 dogs and we do not let bark away. It drives me crazy.
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Post by houston249 on Feb 25, 2018 13:30:26 GMT
This brings back so many memories... military housing at its best.
Considering the barking. The dogs will never be totally silent but you can make the situation much easier for you and your neighbors to deal with the barking.. Before talking to the offending neighbors decide WHEN it would be best for the dogs to be quiet and when you could tolerate them barking.
For example, If your household is all gone between noon and 4, the neighbors will not have to worry so much about the barking. If you all go to bed at 8 pm, they know to bring in the dogs at 8. In otherwords, give them so clear goals to attain. I would also ask for a more the mininum I could tolerate, so if they slack off I would still feel good about the situation.
Psychologically it is so much easier to handle barking dogs if you know they will be quite Between 8 am and 9:30 am, during dinner and when your reading your favorite book and at 8 pm when you starting to wind down from your day.
Plus this is one of the easiest solutions. You could pepper your friendly chat with little statements like...I have been thinking this would be so much easier than having the dogs wear shock barking collars. This also lets then know you are willing to go further if the barking is not contained.
I hope you find an easy solution. You should not have to deal with this 24/7.
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Post by Peamac on Feb 25, 2018 14:27:11 GMT
I'd bring up the concern that their cigarette buts could start a fire with how windy it is.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 25, 2018 15:55:16 GMT
Perhaps they can't bend over to put out and pick up the butts. A small bench with an ashtray type thing might help.
For the dogs, don't they make those contraptions that emit a high pitched noise? Perhaps that could help.
If they we're younger I'd probably have a different opinion
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Post by moodyblue on Feb 25, 2018 15:58:40 GMT
All situations like this get harder to handle the longer they go on. It's so difficult to speak up early on, so no one does anything and then you're into the really awkward phase where you should have already said something but haven't and it's going to be harder to do it now.
I agree with the suggestions to go into the conversation by talking about solutions or how to help.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 25, 2018 16:06:50 GMT
Yeah, as much as I’d hate it I would talk to them and offer some suggestions that would be satisfactory to you. Try to be part of the solution instead of just the annoying squeaky wheel.
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Post by femalebusiness on Feb 25, 2018 17:16:41 GMT
The ciggarette butts would be my hill to die on. That is so gross. I'd gift them a long broom handle with a nail in the end and tell them to pick up their damned butts.
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 25, 2018 20:27:13 GMT
When they are home.. which is he works from 4am - 2pm and she is gone like 7am - 4pm.. those are the lonnnng times the dogs are home alone. I work 8-5 M-F and off on weekends. It's the weekends that is mainly the problem.. ALL day yesterday and they started up again this morning.. still barking. But seriously they are in/out I have lost track when it is bothersome. They bought shock collars for them last year and it worked.. but apparently they don't use them anymore cause the barking started up again. They absolutely know they bark. She told me once she didn't want to keep them inside all day in fear they will pee all over the place.
The cig butts, I just sweep all the way back to their yard. I never pick them up for them. They are able to work full time jobs, they can find a place to put their butts.
I will go over there soon and see if I can just bring it up somehow... I almost wish I didn't like them as people.. lol
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 25, 2018 20:49:01 GMT
I'm having a hard time getting past 80 year olds working. The cigarette butts would drive me nuts but I'm not sure you are going to change the habit of dropping them where ever in an 80 year old. Talking to them and offering solutions (sand bucket) is definitely the best approach IMHO. With the dogs, mention that you were surprised to hear them barking again after they had that problem under control. They may think the shock collars trained the dogs not to bark and not be aware that without the collars they are back to their old noisy habit. With the teens that were leaving fast food garbage in front of our last house, DH would gather it in the morning and leave it on their car hoods. That didn't stop the problem, so one day he gathered it all and left it on their front walk. We never saw fast food debris again. Passive aggressive I know, but it worked.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 23:12:26 GMT
I can't get past 80 yo smokers!
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 26, 2018 4:01:18 GMT
Yeah smokers and workers. He seems like he had a good long career as a Fireman, Fire Chief. Unless they blew through their retirement I don't know why they both work like crazy. She works at the Walmarts.. They maybe in their late 70s.... I can't remember, but it was WELL past retirement. Then the smoking.. I don't know how they do it. I just wish the husband would go fix his teeth.. the teeth are so bad it is hard to have a conversation with him without trying not to stare.
And it's not like they don't have any money.. their 1/2 of the duplex is just as nice as ours. Not in a bad neighborhood... we live on the nice side of the town (suburb) but compared to other Denver suburbs, we would be considered more affordable than the south side of Denver, but houses here are now at least 300,000 plus. School in the neighborhood, walking paths, four parks.. very family friendly. SOOO who knows why they work like crazy. I know the kids don't help them AT all (they all live within 20 miles or so). When I can I shovel their 1/2 of the driveway when it snows. But still cigs drive me nuts almost more than the dogs. I HATE litter especially cig butts..
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Post by rickmer on Feb 26, 2018 13:12:51 GMT
i would take some treats over and an empty coffee can with a lid. have a chat and ask if they would mind putting their butts in the can so they don't blow away... you would really appreciate it as they keep blowing in your yard.
as for the dogs... ugh. the neighbour behind us leaves his stupid yappy dog out all the time. the neighbour on one side sprayed it with the garden hose one day. while i don't condone his action... i understand his frustration.
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Post by smartypants71 on Feb 26, 2018 13:39:43 GMT
Ugh - I feel your pain on the dog situation. The place next door to me was recently purchased by a family with 2 yappy dogs that are left outside All.The.Time. I'm in a townhouse, so our yards are small. We like to go in our backyard and just hang out by the fire pit, but these dogs make it so miserable that we can't enjoy our outdoor area anymore. I am tempted to turn the hose on them.
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Post by Really Red on Feb 26, 2018 15:36:28 GMT
You know what? I'd say something about the butts. I think you can say something nicely.
"Hey Jane (or John, if you're more comfortable talking to him). I'm picking up a lot of cigarette butts these days. Would you mind putting your butts in a container?"
If you have a dog, you can say you're worried about the dogs eating them and say you've found some in their poops. I think people are receptive to stuff like this if you ask them nicely.
The dogs? If you don't want to approach them directly, then wait until they've barked at least 30 mns. Then send them a text and ask if everything is okay, because the dogs have been barking for 30 mns nonstop and you are concerned. Do this every single time. Have your other neighbors do it, too.
When people aren't respectful of others, it's exhausting. Usually a reminder or two for thoughtful people is all they need. Hopefully, that is your case.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Feb 26, 2018 15:44:44 GMT
A house in my old neighborhood burned down because a flicked cigarette butt caught some mulch on fire. It was very windy day, and it also took half of each nextdoor neighbor's houses, too. Several dogs died. You have to speak up about the butts.
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Post by redshoes on Feb 26, 2018 16:17:20 GMT
He's a Fireman and he throws cig butts on the ground??? ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) Their dogs need a really long walk each day....it wouldn't be bad to ask why they aren't using the shock collars anymore, especially if they worked before. Suggest they use them on the weekends if that is the problem times for you.
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Post by jamh on Feb 27, 2018 16:08:12 GMT
A fact of life these days--old people are having to work to just survive. The average SS payment is about $1100 per month, but it is taxable. Medicare and insurance are expensive. We are old at this house and work, and all of our friends are still working.
Being old is scary, especially for the future.
BTW: OP, you sound like a really nice neighbor, so help the folks with a bucket of sand and some solutions for the dogs.
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