PrettyInPeank
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Sept 10, 2014 22:26:47 GMT
Why or why not? I've just been thinking about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 22:31:14 GMT
No. It goes against my religious and personal beliefs.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Sept 10, 2014 22:36:22 GMT
No. I know that this will turn into a big screaming match, so I will make my points very brief, and then I'll tiptoe out of here...
Government should not be in the business of killing citizens.
The US is the only industrialized nation in the world that has the death penalty. We are in the company of places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and Egypt. It is abominable.
People on death row have been killed and then proven innocent. This is a mistake that can't be fixed. There is no safe margin of error, even if it was only one person.
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Nink
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Post by Nink on Sept 10, 2014 22:37:48 GMT
Yes, if it's one of those "no doubt" type cases like a Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 22:38:29 GMT
No
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Post by lucyg on Sept 10, 2014 22:38:44 GMT
Not really, but I'm not militant about it. I just think we'd be better off without it, for many reasons. (Unless we're talking about states that don't really care whether the people they execute are actually guilty or not ... then I start feeling militant.)
OTOH, I was glad when the Feds executed Timothy McVeigh, and especially that they didn't wait 20 years to do it.
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gsquaredmom
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Post by gsquaredmom on Sept 10, 2014 22:39:01 GMT
Nope. Too expensive. And some are innocent.
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Post by dynalady on Sept 10, 2014 22:39:43 GMT
Yes. I think if it was actually carried out when sentenced it would be a deterent. It also guarantees that the criminal will not commit the crime again. So many killers, sex offenders and pedophiles are released now its almost a joke to even sentence them.
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Post by nightnurse on Sept 10, 2014 22:42:03 GMT
I am against the death penalty, for sevaral reasons: there are cases of innocent men being put to death, it is disproportionately used against the poor and minorities, it actually costs more than life in prison, and it's morally wrong. I'm not saying that there aren't cases where the perpetrator of a horrible crime deserves to die, but rather that we don't deserve to be a part of taking his life, and when the government kills someone, we all bear some responsibility. It should be a solemn responsibility and instead it's disgustingly commonplace.
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tinseltoes
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Post by tinseltoes on Sept 10, 2014 22:43:47 GMT
Surely killing someone in cold blood is murder!
Now that should be banned!
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Post by papersilly on Sept 10, 2014 22:44:29 GMT
if it was actually carried out, then yes. here in California, the prisoner will probably die of old age before the penalty is put into effect. the automatic appeals are expensive and so is housing the prisoners in special units. the fact that it takes so long or that it is never done is definitely not a deterrent and some will not be deterred by anything.
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MaryMary
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Post by MaryMary on Sept 10, 2014 22:46:49 GMT
I am against it. I don't think the government should kill. I think too many innocent people have been killed. It just makes me super uncomfortable.
That being said, executing sex offenders/pedophiles would be just fine with me... So, I'm obviously conflicted about this topic.
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Post by chances on Sept 10, 2014 22:47:47 GMT
No. I know that this will turn into a big screaming match, so I will make my points very brief, and then I'll tiptoe out of here... Government should not be in the business of killing citizens. The US is the only industrialized nation in the world that has the death penalty. We are in the company of places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and Egypt. It is abominable. People on death row have been killed and then proven innocent. This is a mistake that can't be fixed. There is no safe margin of error, even if it was only one person. I am against the death penalty, for sevaral reasons: there are cases of innocent men being put to death, it is disproportionately used against the poor and minorities, it actually costs more than life in prison, and it's morally wrong. I'm not saying that there aren't cases where the perpetrator of a horrible crime deserves to die, but rather that we don't deserve to be a part of taking his life, and when the government kills someone, we all bear some responsibility. It should be a solemn responsibility and instead it's disgustingly commonplace. No. For all of these reasons. |
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Sept 10, 2014 22:48:38 GMT
if it was actually carried out, then yes. here in California, the prisoner will probably die of old age before the penalty is put into effect. the automatic appeals are expensive and so is housing the prisoners in special units. the fact that it takes so long or that it is never done is definitely not a deterrent and some will not be deterred by anything. The death penalty in California has been ruled unconstitutional because of its random application and interminable legal delays. |
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Post by scrapsuzy on Sept 10, 2014 22:51:12 GMT
Yes, with only one appeal allowed. And I don't care if it is done by hanging, firing squad, beheading, electrocution, or whatever.
So I may be considered on the extreme at this end of the crime/punishment spectrum.
But on the other end, I think that street drugs should be de-criminalized, and that more serious stuff should be treated more seriously.
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ingrid
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Post by ingrid on Sept 10, 2014 22:52:06 GMT
I used to be very much for it. Years of hearing about people who've spent years in prison, only to be exonerated after reviewing evidence, makes me very uncomfortable with such a permanent punishment when our justice system is so flawed.
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Post by *Scrapper*Stamper* on Sept 10, 2014 22:54:29 GMT
Absolutely and positively. I keep my reasons to myself because I will be damned to be criticized for my beliefs. I believe some people are so evil that they should not exist and I will leave it at that.
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Post by Dori~Mama~Bear on Sept 10, 2014 23:02:33 GMT
I have my moments that I think that if someone kills someone then they should have the same done to them. Mostly when it comes to children. Like those parents that kill their babies. Like Diane Downs, Casey What ever her name is I can't remember. ans all the other parents that are sitting in jail for being abusive to their child and the child dying.
I don't believe in murder and yes I do believe that killing someone for any reason is murder.
I think that there should be a way for these people to suffer without being inhumanly treated. I also believe that they should never be let out of jail. I know that there is so many people dead because of stupid people doing stupid things.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Sept 10, 2014 23:16:09 GMT
Not really, but I'm not militant about it. I just think we'd be better off without it, for many reasons. (Unless we're talking about states that don't really care whether the people they execute are actually guilty or not ... then I start feeling militant.) OTOH, I was glad when the Feds executed Timothy McVeigh, and especially that they didn't wait 20 years to do it. I'm a yes but not really militant about it  And your OTOH is how I feel on my yes, I do not want mass murders or serial killers out and about. I'm fine with Ted Bundy and murders like him being put to death. |
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cycworker
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Post by cycworker on Sept 10, 2014 23:18:54 GMT
No, I don't, for all the reasons stated above.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 23:23:43 GMT
In theory, yes. But I'm conflicted because I don't have a lot of faith in the justice system.
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Anita
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Post by Anita on Sept 10, 2014 23:26:15 GMT
Yes. Some people commit crimes so horrible that just removing them from society isn't enough. People who murder children, for instance, are a waste of skin and oxygen.
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garcia5050
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Post by garcia5050 on Sept 10, 2014 23:29:06 GMT
OTOH, I was glad when the Feds executed Timothy McVeigh, and especially that they didn't wait 20 years to do it. if I remember correctly, Timothy McVeigh refused all appeals. Otherwise it would have dragged on. Yes. I have had a family member murdered, so that colors my opinion. this is also where I am at. i was surprised to read about California. It was OK, then not OK (lucky for Charles Manson), then OK, and now it's not OK again. |
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Post by PinkPrincess77 on Sept 10, 2014 23:33:14 GMT
No. It costs more to house someone on death row than giving them life in prison. People who have spent years on death row, or in prison in general, have been found to be innocent, thanks to DNA, some even after they are executed. In my mind's eye, it makes us no different/better than the murderer; an "eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" and all that. If one really DID commit the crime of murder or any variation, let them stew on it in a prison cell for the rest of their lives.
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Post by *Scrapper*Stamper* on Sept 10, 2014 23:33:31 GMT
I have to admit I am partial due to the fact that I had an uncle assaulted in 1982,he was beat in the head among other things. He had a brain aneurysm that burst due to the assault. No charges were EVER filed. My favorite uncle and there was absolutely no justice. I have absolutely no problem saying I wish he has/had a torturous painful EXTREMELY miserable life. No matter how you look at it the son of a BITCH got away with murder. Had it been twenty years later, they would have prosecuted his ass.
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Post by rumplesnat on Sept 10, 2014 23:35:54 GMT
I'm torn. On one hand, I think the death penalty is too easy for some offenders vs.spending the rest of their lives in jail. On the other hand, if my loved one was a victim, I'd want them to face the death penalty and honestly, I'd prefer it to be in the way they cause my loved one's death.
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Post by *Scrapper*Stamper* on Sept 10, 2014 23:37:50 GMT
No. It costs more to house someone on death row than giving them life in prison. People who have spent years on death row, or in prison in general, have been found to be innocent, thanks to DNA, some even after they are executed. In my mind's eye, it makes us no different/better than the murderer; an "eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" and all that. If one really DID commit the crime of murder or any variation, let them stew on it in a prison cell for the rest of their lives. I respectfully disagree, I think every murderer deserves to die the way they committed the murder. I do not give a rat's ass how much it costs!!!!!!!!!!!! I think our death penalty options are entirely too humane for the crimes these people commit!!!!!!!! They absolutely positively DESERVE to be tortured the way they tortured their victims. Period. |
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Post by cadoodlebug on Sept 10, 2014 23:40:14 GMT
I had a co-worker back in the 70's who was gunned down in front of her two young boys by her estranged, abusive husband. I also had a high school classmate who was working on a nursing degree who was raped and murdered. So yeah, at least in those two cases I believe in the death penalty. And reading about the father who murdered his 5 kids and stuffed them in garbage bags. I'd volunteer to inject him myself.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 10, 2014 23:40:03 GMT
I too have lost a loved one to murder. I still try to look at the death penalty with an impartial eye.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2014 23:40:12 GMT
I think that some criminals deserve the death penalty, but I don't trust our justice system to handle it fairly and efficiently. I read too many stories of innocent people being exonerated after years on death row, and they're the lucky ones who weren't actually killed. I don't think it's a deterrent with any effect on real criminals.
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