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Post by katybee on Mar 12, 2018 21:16:31 GMT
This is where I sit. I think he is afraid of losing Baron and Melania. It wouldn't look good. I think the other legal issues are also important, but Melania has shown in several cases how she feels about her husband's "shenanigans" on several occasions. I'm not sure what to think about Melania. When I read about Karen McDougal (the Playboy bunny he had an affair with and was silenced by one of Trump's media mogul friend who bought her story and buried it), there was a line where she alleges that Trump took her to one of his properties and pointed out a closed door and said that was where Melania went to read and be alone (or something similar to that). And I thought that maybe Melania was okay with his shenanigans if it meant she didn't have to touch him and could just do her thing (I mean, who wouldn't want to read all day), as long as he was discreet and it wasn't public news. I don't think she likes all of this private affairs public, but I wonder if before she was okay with the arrangement. But I'm probably also projecting because I can't imagine having to even be in the same room as that guy. I think Melania completely knew what she was getting herself into. I think she weighed the costs and benefits. I’m quite sure she enjoys the money and luxury. I don’t think she ever wanted to be or enjoys being First Lady. They probably do have an air-tight pre-nup, so she puts up with it. BUT, if the pre-nup were null and void, she could have the $ and her freedom. I think THAT’S what Don Juan is afraid of....
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Post by elaine on Mar 12, 2018 21:21:38 GMT
I can’t imagine that Trump agreed to not having any affairs as a condition in a pre-nup. More likely he agreed to not discussing them publicly, so is financially motivated to not go down his typical twitter tirade road.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 12, 2018 21:23:41 GMT
I'm not sure what to think about Melania. When I read about Karen McDougal (the Playboy bunny he had an affair with and was silenced by one of Trump's media mogul friend who bought her story and buried it), there was a line where she alleges that Trump took her to one of his properties and pointed out a closed door and said that was where Melania went to read and be alone (or something similar to that). And I thought that maybe Melania was okay with his shenanigans if it meant she didn't have to touch him and could just do her thing (I mean, who wouldn't want to read all day), as long as he was discreet and it wasn't public news. I don't think she likes all of this private affairs public, but I wonder if before she was okay with the arrangement. But I'm probably also projecting because I can't imagine having to even be in the same room as that guy. I think Melania completely knew what she was getting herself into. I think she weighed the costs and benefits. I’m quite sure she enjoys the money and luxury. I don’t think she ever wanted to be or enjoys being First Lady. They probably do have an air-tight pre-nup, so she puts up with it. BUT, if the pre-nup were null and void, she could have the $ and her freedom. I think THAT’S what Don Juan is afraid of.... And she would take away their kid. Not that that probably matters in actuality (does/did he actually give a crap about any of his kids before they could do anything for him?), but purely because of the optics.
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Post by scrapngranny on Mar 12, 2018 21:27:44 GMT
I’m still stuck with one question. Why in the world would she choose to have an affair with that sleazy ugly ass creep? I’m sure there were other wealthy rich men of much better quality than Trump.
Being a porn star, I’m sure Stormy has not been very discriminating about the men she lets use her body, but surely with Trump she reached the bottom of the barrel.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 12, 2018 21:34:48 GMT
And the plot thickens............ Texas investigating notary over failure to sign Stormy Daniels nondisclosure agreement: report BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN - 03/12/18 04:43 PM EDT Officials in Texas are investigating the nondisclosure agreement signed by adult-film actress Stormy Daniels after it was revealed that the notary did not sign or date the document, the Dallas Morning News reported Monday. Texas notaries are required to sign and date agreements, as well as provide a certificate verifying those who sign documents. However, notary Erica Jackson is now facing an investigation after she failed to do all three for the 2016 nondisclosure agreement regarding Daniels's alleged affair with President Trump. Jackson’s stamp is on the document. “Attaching your seal to a document without a notarial certificate constitutes good cause for the secretary of state to take action against your notary commission," a Texas official said in a letter to Jackson, sent last week. Jackson told the Morning News on Friday that she did not recall the specific agreement. ** Sam Taylor, a spokesman for the Texas secretary of state, said that the office was solely investigating “whether or not the individual complies with his or her duties as a notary public in the state of Texas.’’ It’s unclear if Jackson's missing signature or lack of certificate would impact the agreement. More at link: thehill.com/homenews/administration/377999-texas-investigating-notary-over-failure-to-sign-stormy-danielsI personally think it would be void.... She did not even verify who was signing the papers... And why was this all done in Texas?
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Post by cycworker on Mar 12, 2018 22:27:45 GMT
I love the irony that people who thought Clinton should have been impeached for his affair feel differently for Trump. In fairness, Clinton lied under oath, rather than doing what he should've done - refused to answer the question on the grounds of relevance. His affair with Lewinsky was consensual & thus never proved anything. Much as I get in trouble for saying it, we have to be consistent re: whether a person's sexual history in legal cases.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 12, 2018 22:36:00 GMT
I tell my daughter all the time - doing something wrong is one thing, but the lying about it will be worse. And that's usually true with all these cases - the lying, cover up, and financial shadiness are usually what get people in trouble. It’s always the lying that brings politicians down - never the actual issue. Amazing isn’t it. Except in trumps case. He lies —what is the latest score?—69% of the time yet he is still there.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 12, 2018 22:55:53 GMT
I don't believe in impeaching presidents of either party over consensual sex, in or out of the Oval Office. More to the point, taking advantage of consensual sex to impeach a president you hate anyway. But I sure hope Stormy Daniels has something so shameful on him that he's forced to resign on his own. I'll take the medieval-minded Mike Pence over this incompetent narcissist any day. Better a few draconian laws that can be thrown out later than WWIII because someone's having a temper tantrum. This is generally my thoughts too. I don't get ruffled feathers over consensual sex between adults, even if I find their behavior abhorrent (i.e. cheating). But I also don't go around positing myself as the party of family values and morals. It's the hypocrisy that kills me. How many mulligans will Trump need from the evangelicals when all of this is said and done? The evangelicals I know will forgive over and over and over. Because we are all sinners, some of us just slip up more often.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 12, 2018 23:02:54 GMT
so why would Daniels' attorney say the money would be returned to TRUMP, and not to COHEN? I'm so confused... lol. Honestly, I think someone (singular or plural) should just come forward with the $1 million penalty, too, so we could get past all this nonsense, and just hear what she has to say. I saw a little discussion on this and the consensus was it was some sort of an end run to try make Trump admit the money came from him. I think they are doing things backwards TBH. Trump is never going to void the contract. She can breach the contract and face being sued by him. But if she is sued, it is just a civil case, right? There is no criminal recourse for a breach of contract is there?
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 12, 2018 23:08:40 GMT
If he admits it, it might invalidate any pre-nuptials he had. This is where I sit. I think he is afraid of losing Baron and Melania. It wouldn't look good. I think the other legal issues are also important, but Melania has shown in several cases how she feels about her husband's "shenanigans" on several occasions. I don't think he is afraid of losing them as much as the cost of them leaving him. He has always been the one to leave his wives, with the next relationship well under way. Because he is a winner.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 23:10:00 GMT
With Stormy Daniels? I mean, come on, we all believe it, right? But so what? It doesn’t matter... his supporters forgive him for all of his transgressions, his opponents are desensitized at this point. So he had ANOTHER affair... So so why is he fighting this one so hard? Why not just admit it like he has in the past and say he’s a changed man. It seems to me that he’s bringing more attention to it by denying it. SO many have been bought off for their silence. This one is different. I'd bet that she's got the goods (pics, personal verified info...) and he's truly scared. I hope that she's being protected right now!
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Post by hop2 on Mar 12, 2018 23:15:34 GMT
It’s always the lying that brings politicians down - never the actual issue. Amazing isn’t it. Except in trumps case. He lies —what is the latest score?—69% of the time yet he is still there. hes got to lie in a legal type setting - like under oath or some other way where it’s illegal. What I don’t get is the total blase attitude fro. GOP about the huge ethics conflicts. They have so many ethics issues at not funny
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Post by LeaP on Mar 12, 2018 23:17:02 GMT
Exactly this. It was clear that he was never a family values candidate. Married 3 times, multiple public affairs, admitting on tape he likes to grab women’s pussies....the Evangelical Right has forgiven it all. One more CONSENSUAL affair should not have made a difference. Why even pay the $130,000? Why not just let it come out, apologize, be forgiven and move on... There’s more to this story... This crap drives me nuts. I went into work the other day for a meeting and my born-again, evangelical co-worker, the one who thinks porn destroys families and sex is only for married heterosexual couples, is still a die-hard Trump apologist. Are you f*cking kidding me?! Same guy who nearly had a heart attack when I mentioned mommy&me yoga (welcoming the demons into my baby!!) has no problem staunchly supporting a sexually abusive, lying, cheating, adult star screwing slimeball. It is hypocrisy at its finest and it makes me sick. ![:yeahthat:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/yrGoHMAelQz8f2Qt0sjb.jpg) x 1,000,000. The apologists make me nuts. I don't care what consenting adults do, DO NOT legislate a narrow definition of patriarchal morality. I should be free to have demon babies if I want, though mine are probably something worse since they were both born and raised in California to left wing parents shrouded in a diverse blue bubble. Mind you I have been uneventfully married for 20 years, so maybe I am just guilty of being boring. SaveSave
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Post by LeaP on Mar 12, 2018 23:19:34 GMT
And the plot thickens............ Texas investigating notary over failure to sign Stormy Daniels nondisclosure agreement: report BY JACQUELINE THOMSEN - 03/12/18 04:43 PM EDT Officials in Texas are investigating the nondisclosure agreement signed by adult-film actress Stormy Daniels after it was revealed that the notary did not sign or date the document, the Dallas Morning News reported Monday. Texas notaries are required to sign and date agreements, as well as provide a certificate verifying those who sign documents. However, notary Erica Jackson is now facing an investigation after she failed to do all three for the 2016 nondisclosure agreement regarding Daniels's alleged affair with President Trump. Jackson’s stamp is on the document. “Attaching your seal to a document without a notarial certificate constitutes good cause for the secretary of state to take action against your notary commission," a Texas official said in a letter to Jackson, sent last week. Jackson told the Morning News on Friday that she did not recall the specific agreement. ** Sam Taylor, a spokesman for the Texas secretary of state, said that the office was solely investigating “whether or not the individual complies with his or her duties as a notary public in the state of Texas.’’ It’s unclear if Jackson's missing signature or lack of certificate would impact the agreement. More at link: thehill.com/homenews/administration/377999-texas-investigating-notary-over-failure-to-sign-stormy-danielsI personally think it would be void.... She did not even verify who was signing the papers... And why was this all done in Texas? How many states are involved? California is where the secret arbitration took place, Delaware is the LLC location...there must be a loophole somewhere. SaveSave
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 12, 2018 23:21:00 GMT
honestly, though-- I just remembered that I heard an interview on...maybe, Friday? with a legal expert who said the fact that the nondisclosure agreement was written / signed by them using aliases and not their legal names means the whole thing isn't really enforceable, anyway.
And now the fact that the notary might not have done things correctly, either?!? LOL!! Let's hope there IS something here that can take him out-- rather like Al Capone going to jail for tax evasion, instead of all the other numerous crimes he committed. I don't care WHAT it is that gets him out of office, as long as it happens before too much more gets screwed up, and before we go to war with North Korea.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 12, 2018 23:32:13 GMT
honestly, though-- I just remembered that I heard an interview on...maybe, Friday? with a legal expert who said the fact that the nondisclosure agreement was written / signed by them using aliases and not their legal names means the whole thing isn't really enforceable, anyway. And now the fact that the notary might not have done things correctly, either?!? LOL!! Let's hope there IS something here that can take him out-- rather like Al Capone going to jail for tax evasion, instead of all the other numerous crimes he committed. I don't care WHAT it is that gets him out of office, as long as it happens before too much more gets screwed up, and before we go to war with North Korea. Good point. Whenever we have had something notarized, we have to show ID. Neither of them would have legal photo ID with the names used on the contract. Maybe Texas only requires witnesses, but isn't it still fraud to enter into a contract with an alias?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 12, 2018 23:32:32 GMT
I’ve seen speculation that he is fighting it because of the campaign finances but also because he may have a prenup that had an infidelity clause. No idea if that is true or not.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 12, 2018 23:39:28 GMT
honestly, though-- I just remembered that I heard an interview on...maybe, Friday? with a legal expert who said the fact that the nondisclosure agreement was written / signed by them using aliases and not their legal names means the whole thing isn't really enforceable, anyway. And now the fact that the notary might not have done things correctly, either?!? LOL!! Let's hope there IS something here that can take him out-- rather like Al Capone going to jail for tax evasion, instead of all the other numerous crimes he committed. I don't care WHAT it is that gets him out of office, as long as it happens before too much more gets screwed up, and before we go to war with North Korea. How could you notorize aliases anyway? What a notary is notarizing is the veracity if the signature. How does one verify an alias?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 12, 2018 23:48:55 GMT
I'm not really confused, lol- I was being facetious. it's just annoying, their need to hide this proof of a consensual affair, which leads us all to believe something even worse must be / may be hidden. Maybe he enjoyed " showers" with her! That’s what I was thinking as well. Maybe it would verify info in the Dossier.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 23:53:18 GMT
With Stormy Daniels? I mean, come on, we all believe it, right? But so what? It doesn’t matter... his supporters forgive him for all of his transgressions, his opponents are desensitized at this point. So he had ANOTHER affair... So so why is he fighting this one so hard? Why not just admit it like he has in the past and say he’s a changed man. It seems to me that he’s bringing more attention to it by denying it. I too have seen surmises it may be because Melania has adultery carve outs in the pre-nup - so that would end up costing him m/billions!!!
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Post by scrappinheather on Mar 13, 2018 0:20:21 GMT
Or she has video of a golden shower which would led credence to the dossier and he doesn’t want that out either
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Post by imsirius on Mar 13, 2018 0:32:13 GMT
My DH thinks she has a love child. I said it would be more than the 130,000 if that's the case.
She is/was in the porn industry. She probably has some street smarts and knew to cover her ass. I bet you she has documented everything. Wouldn't be surprised if she has photos or videos. Maybe she took photos of his office/bedroom etc for extra security. I'm sure she has the goods. You don't work your way up in that industry without learning to protect yourself in any way you can.
Whatever he is scared of her for, I hope she nails the slimeball douche to the floor.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Mar 13, 2018 0:33:54 GMT
My DH thinks she has a love child. I said it would be more than the 130,000 if that's the case. She is/was in the porn industry. She probably has some street smarts and knew to cover her ass. I bet you she has documented everything. Wouldn't be surprised if she has photos or videos. Maybe she took photos of his office/bedroom etc for extra security. I'm sure she has the goods. You don't work your way up in that industry without learning to protect yourself in any way you can. Whatever he is scared of her for, I hope she nails the slimeball douche to the floor. The bigger story would be if he asked her to have an abortion.
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Post by katybee on Mar 13, 2018 0:37:51 GMT
My DH thinks she has a love child. I said it would be more than the 130,000 if that's the case. She is/was in the porn industry. She probably has some street smarts and knew to cover her ass. I bet you she has documented everything. Wouldn't be surprised if she has photos or videos. Maybe she took photos of his office/bedroom etc for extra security. I'm sure she has the goods. You don't work your way up in that industry without learning to protect yourself in any way you can. Whatever he is scared of her for, I hope she nails the slimeball douche to the floor. The bigger story would be if he asked her to have an abortion. And yet the evangelical right would forgive him even that....
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 13, 2018 0:47:28 GMT
I’m still stuck with one question. Why in the world would she choose to have an affair with that sleazy ugly ass creep? I’m sure there were other wealthy rich men of much better quality than Trump. Being a porn star, I’m sure Stormy has not been very discriminating about the men she lets use her body, but surely with Trump she reached the bottom of the barrel. I wonder if he paid her.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 13, 2018 1:03:05 GMT
I’m still stuck with one question. Why in the world would she choose to have an affair with that sleazy ugly ass creep? I’m sure there were other wealthy rich men of much better quality than Trump. Being a porn star, I’m sure Stormy has not been very discriminating about the men she lets use her body, but surely with Trump she reached the bottom of the barrel. I wonder if he paid her. I thought I saw something where he offered her some money after they first hooked up but she refused at the time saying she wasn’t that kind of girl and that she just wanted to be with him. There were photos of her handwritten journal pages but I can’t find the article now to link.
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 13, 2018 1:14:47 GMT
I cannot see Trump agreeing to a pre-nup with an adultery clause; especially with his track record. I wouldn't be surprised if he insisted on one for her because he's that kind of guy.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 13, 2018 1:17:27 GMT
so why would Daniels' attorney say the money would be returned to TRUMP, and not to COHEN? I'm so confused... lol. Honestly, I think someone (singular or plural) should just come forward with the $1 million penalty, too, so we could get past all this nonsense, and just hear what she has to say. I saw a little discussion on this and the consensus was it was some sort of an end run to try make Trump admit the money came from him. I think they are doing things backwards TBH. Trump is never going to void the contract. She can breach the contract and face being sued by him. But if she is sued, it is just a civil case, right? There is no criminal recourse for a breach of contract is there? What’s funny is that Cohen is claiming everything came from him and there was no affair...so then, why is there a contract that prohibits her from speaking about trump?
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Post by huskergal on Mar 13, 2018 1:19:03 GMT
Clinton was impeached because he lied about and not because he had the affair. At the time, some felt, Clinton was set-up by Ken Starr because he was pretty sure Clinton would lie about the affair. Let’s be honest, the first instinct of anyone who is having affair is to lie about it. Old Bubba did just that. I have no doubt that trump would do the same in the same circumstances. Which will be interesting if the Stormy Davis lawsuit proceeds. Trump is lying if it is true.
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Post by moodyblue on Mar 13, 2018 1:24:38 GMT
I cannot see Trump agreeing to a pre-nup with an adultery clause; especially with his track record. I wouldn't be surprised if he insisted on one for her because he's that kind of guy. Trump has never been faithful in his life, so I highly doubt a pre-nup would have included anything like an adultery clause for him. Something makes this different for him. I would guess Stormy has proof of their involvement, and he doesn't want that to come out - maybe it validates other stuff like in the dossier - so he's treating this very cautiously, unlike his usual deny and attack methods.
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